New Provably Fair site please come and check out LuckyBTCCasino

[luckybtccasino]

I understand what you are saying

So I guess you now realize the site isn't provably fair. That's fine, it doesn't mean you're cheating -- it just means you're not provably fair.

but how can we show you the outcome of the hand before you place the bet.

Depends on the game, but most single player games are extremely easy to make provably fair. For instance in my 'heads' vs 'tails' game, to make it provably fair, the only thing I need to demonstrate is that I've predetermined an outcome. (Which I can do via hashing it along with a salt).

I have forwarded this to my coders to see if the provably fair can be updated in anyway.

It's super easy. For one, if you reveal the function you use to convert the clientSeed and seed to make the "final seed"  (and commit to never changing it) it would appear to make some games (keno is the only one i looked at) provably fair, without compromising security at all (assuming your function was something well designed, like a cryptographic hash)

In the provably fair algorithm, ALL THE HANDS are shuffled and then they are shuffled once more using the client seed, once the hand is set.

This is exactly how the provably fair system works everywhere.

In Heads or Tails, the server will toss the coin, then it will hash+salt it and send it to the player, then the player will send a client seed to influence the coin, and then once all these are set, you will try to guess from HEADS OR TAILS. Of course you have 50% chances to win no matter what, so you might throw in a lucky guess and take my money if you accept my challenge.

Only after the gameplay ends, the server hashed string+salt influenced by the client seed will be compared with the player pick and the outcome will be decided and the salt will be revealed.

[Josepht]

Are you planning on adding European roulette soon?
The house edge with american roulette is too high imo.

The amount of games on your site is not really high by the way.

[luckybtccasino]

Are you planning on adding European roulette soon?
The house edge with american roulette is too high imo.

The amount of games on your site is not really high by the way.

We will be adding more games as we grow I will put European roulette on the list as you have requested it.

Thanks

[dooglus]

Is this site really pov fair?

Does that mean they hold the camera while they fuck you?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pov

[luckybtccasino]

Is this site really pov fair?

Does that mean they hold the camera while they fuck you?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pov

Typo but that's a good idea for another site

[dooglus]

Is this site really pov fair?

Does that mean they hold the camera while they fuck you?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pov

Typo but that's a good idea for another site

Heh.

So what's the wagering requirement now? Is it still 3x or did it increase again?

And where can I find details of your provable fairness? The link at the bottom takes me to a blank page.

[luckybtccasino]

Is this site really pov fair?

Does that mean they hold the camera while they fuck you?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pov

Typo but that's a good idea for another site

Heh.

So what's the wagering requirement now? Is it still 3x or did it increase again?

And where can I find details of your provable fairness? The link at the bottom takes me to a blank page.

Wagering requirements is still 3x

I am waiting for the page for provably fair to be updated should be live by tomorrow.

Thanks

[luckybtccasino]

Wager requirements now x5

Provably fair info is now available on the site.

Thanks
www.luckybtccasino.com

[dooglus]

Only after the gameplay ends, the server hashed string+salt influenced by the client seed will be compared with the player pick and the outcome will be decided and the salt will be revealed.

How is the outcome influenced by the client seed? Is that written somewhere?

If the algorithm that converts (server string + salt + client seed) into a game outcome is secret, then the game isn't provably fair. Because the algorithm could be "we often deliberately pick a result that makes you lose" and the players wouldn't be able to tell.

[luckybtccasino]

You say scam you played less than 400 games between you and cashout more btc than you put in because of the small rollover bonus, this doesn't sound like the best scam to me!

the formula that is used now for the card games ... the deck is shuffled, then hashed and sent to player. Then the player sets the client seed and the deck is cut at position X, where X=(client_seed)%50+1 . This can be observed with the open eye by analysing several gameplays and any fool can deduct the formula.

For the keno RTP to settle and match the advertised value, over 10 million gameplays must be played for the RTP to be as advertised. Also each selection has its own RTP. If you selects 10 numbers the RTP can be 97% for example. If he selects only 4 numbers, the RTP can be 99%.Then the avg RTP of all selections will result in the final RTP that is advertised. Any kid that went to the statistics class knows that comparing an avg value of 200 results to an avg value of 20 million results, is like comparing a mouse to a tiger.

If you are smart enough you can calculate the RTP based on the payouts for 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 matched numbers. However you need to graduate college with a maths degree to be able to calculate that. So we will see.

If you continue to swear and talk just garbage and also use an offensive language without manners, you will be ignored.

Thanks
 

[bitcoinproplayer]

and cashout more btc than you put in because of the small rollover bonus, this doesn't sound like the best scam to me!

I put 0.1 BTC in, got credited with 0.2 BTC and by the time I hit the 1x roll-over requirement, I only had something like 0.12 or 0.11 left. And you're right it's not the best scam -- guess that's why you increased the roll-over req?

For the keno RTP to settle and match the advertised value, over 10 million gameplays must be played for the RTP to be as advertised

If you are fair, like you as claim prove it. What is your formula for mixing the server seed and client seed?  If you can not provide it, you are not provably fair nor am I inclined to believe you are legitimate

If you are smart enough you can calculate the RTP based on the payouts for 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 matched numbers. However you need to graduate college with a maths degree to be able to calculate that. So we will see.

lol you're a moron. Challenge accepted:
2 = 86.08%
3 = 98.59%
4 = 98.05%
5 = 97.51%
6 = 96.53%
7 = 97.29%
8 = 95.7%
9 = 95.93%
10 = 94.77%

ASSUMING you pick randomly, which is impossible to tell as the site is not provably fair and likely not even fair at all

Since you used an online calculator to verify the RTP of each selection (http://wizardofodds.com/games/keno/calculator/), it's clear that you have no understanding about what an RTP is and how it is calculated. You can't expect to play a few hundreds of gameplays and then get rich. By your logic, if you didn't make a profit, every casino is a scam. Now don't give me that noob reply with "haha. you're dumb" because we already got it that you have no education and you're just a troll that has no life and messes up with other people's time.

To all readers here: this guy "espringe" is just a troll that has no idea what he is even talking. Someone please explain to him how a provably fair system works, because even if he was provided with tons of links and info, he still doesnt get it. He just calls everyone else dumb.

PS: The man (luckybtccasino) just gave you the formula. What's wrong with you? Need glasses? Go see a doctor if you are blind, but stop trolling on this forum just because you're sad and you have no life.

[elm]

Also, I'd like to see some proof of funds. One of my wagers had a possibility to win 25k BTC (which I lost, of course). I'd like to see proof that you did even have the funds to pay me out had I won. If you offer a game in which you can not afford to payout, you are by definition offering a dishonest casino.

@espringe
IMO provably fair is a must and sure that each casino OP needs to proof his bankroll. but I dont understand why You want to teach/help someone who doesnt want to learn and accept Your opinion? isnt it a waste of time?

[luckybtccasino]

I totally agree with you every Casino should provide proof funds for at least the maximum possible win which on Luckybtccasino.com is 180BTC so if I provide proof of funds for 500BTC would this be acceptable?

Please note 25k btc should not of been possible on that game you should of only been able to bet max 3 numbers on that bet size the bet size has been adjusted in till it is addressed.

Regards
Luckybtccasino.com
  

[luckybtccasino]

Update x5 roll over on the 'BITCOINTALK1' bonus code has now expired it is now x10 and will now stay at this.

[elm]

but I dont understand why You want to teach/help someone who doesnt want to learn and accept Your opinion? isnt it a waste of time?

If you look at my first post, I was genuinely trying to help him out -- but instead he replied with nonsense and rudeness. A more level headed person than my self, would walk away -- but instead I've decided to prove a point.  The guy keeps calling me an uneducated kid, and yet with minimal effort I've been able to play +EV and successfully cash out over a bitcoin in net profit so far.

If anyone's interested and willing, PM me and I'll tell you one way to play his casino with an EV of +61.749% [1]


[1] I can't guarantee that number, as it's based on the games being fair. If he's undetectably cheating, the EV is around -70% (we can't tell as the games aren't provably fair). If he's overtly cheating, the EV is -100%. If he's not cheating, the EV should be 61.749%. I can't tell what he's doing, but so far he's honored all cash outs and I've netted a reasonable profit.

if it is not provably fair why should anyone play there? I wouldnt play there

[luckybtccasino]

but I dont understand why You want to teach/help someone who doesnt want to learn and accept Your opinion? isnt it a waste of time?

If you look at my first post, I was genuinely trying to help him out -- but instead he replied with nonsense and rudeness. A more level headed person than my self, would walk away -- but instead I've decided to prove a point.  The guy keeps calling me an uneducated kid, and yet with minimal effort I've been able to play +EV and successfully cash out over a bitcoin in net profit so far.

If anyone's interested and willing, PM me and I'll tell you one way to play his casino with an EV of +61.749% [1]


[1] I can't guarantee that number, as it's based on the games being fair. If he's undetectably cheating, the EV is around -70% (we can't tell as the games aren't provably fair). If he's overtly cheating, the EV is -100%. If he's not cheating, the EV should be 61.749%. I can't tell what he's doing, but so far he's honored all cash outs and I've netted a reasonable profit.

if it is not provably fair why should anyone play there? I wouldnt play there

Hi Elm

Please check the site and Provably fair system before you make your decision.


Thanks

[elm]

but I dont understand why You want to teach/help someone who doesnt want to learn and accept Your opinion? isnt it a waste of time?

If you look at my first post, I was genuinely trying to help him out -- but instead he replied with nonsense and rudeness. A more level headed person than my self, would walk away -- but instead I've decided to prove a point.  The guy keeps calling me an uneducated kid, and yet with minimal effort I've been able to play +EV and successfully cash out over a bitcoin in net profit so far.

If anyone's interested and willing, PM me and I'll tell you one way to play his casino with an EV of +61.749% [1]


[1] I can't guarantee that number, as it's based on the games being fair. If he's undetectably cheating, the EV is around -70% (we can't tell as the games aren't provably fair). If he's overtly cheating, the EV is -100%. If he's not cheating, the EV should be 61.749%. I can't tell what he's doing, but so far he's honored all cash outs and I've netted a reasonable profit.

if it is not provably fair why should anyone play there? I wouldnt play there

Hi Elm

Please check the site and Provably fair system before you make your decision.


Thanks

to be frank I am not an expert regarding provably fair implementation. I trust Dabs, espringe and dooglus  if they will say that it is provably fair I will accept their opinion.

[bitcoinproplayer]

Also, I'd like to see some proof of funds. One of my wagers had a possibility to win 25k BTC (which I lost, of course). I'd like to see proof that you did even have the funds to pay me out had I won. If you offer a game in which you can not afford to payout, you are by definition offering a dishonest casino.

There are many online casinos, owned by utterly rich people that prefer to close their business, declare it bankrupt, rather than paying the money to the lucky player that won 25BTC and become less rich by 25BTC. This happened about 6-7 months ago with a bitcoin casino. The owner closed it due to very large payouts. I can't remember its name. What I want to say is that the proof of funds is completely irrelevant.

[bitcoinproplayer]

espringe the words uneducated kid have not been used.

You're right, I paraphrased a little.

I am amazed at how much time you are willing to spend trying to provoke me with name calling ect

You're misreading the situation incredibly. I took the time to explain what's wrong with your scheme, and why it allows cheating. So you didn't think I was full of hot-air, I even offered you a 100 BTC wager using the exact scheme you do. You continue to argue your scheme is provably fair, but refuse to take my wager -- which leaves me with the inescapable conclusion that you know it's not really provably fair and wish to leave it that way.

And more offensively than any name calling, you just provide a link to a thread on provably fair and act like I don't understand it.

The most valuable thing to me is time, this may not be the case for you. But for this reason I will not be responding to your post in less you have anything of value to say which some of your posts do but most do not.

You probably have a point there. I guess someone pointing out your dishonestly contributes no value to you.

Give me an example of how he could cheat. The man told you the formula. Explain how he can use the formula that he gave to cheat in a card game.

Please check the site and Provably fair system before you make your decision.

and also see where he refuses to eat his own dog food. I have repeatedly offered to play him in a game of heads or tails, using his own provably fair scheme, with fully escrowed funds. If he wins, I'll give him 100 BTC. If he loses, he only has to pay 10 BTC.

He allows people to attempt to win 180 (?) BTC on his site in a single bet, at a tiny house edge. But refuses to play against me, with insanely advantageous odds. I'd honestly like to give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume he's incompetent rather than dishonest, but it increasingly seems unlikely.

A champion does not accept the challenge of all challengers. A challenger must climb a ladder to challenge the champion. Same thing here ... if every newbie from a forum would doubt a system just because they can, it would mean to waste 9999999 hours to reply to each and one of them and they will still doubt the system. In this case, espringe, you are doing it out of pure evil. The man game you the formula and it is clear that he cannot cheat if the player can set a client seed AFTER the deck was hashed and sent to the player and if he told you how he uses the client seed to influence the initial deck.

but I dont understand why You want to teach/help someone who doesnt want to learn and accept Your opinion? isnt it a waste of time?

If you look at my first post, I was genuinely trying to help him out -- but instead he replied with nonsense and rudeness. A more level headed person than my self, would walk away -- but instead I've decided to prove a point.  The guy keeps calling me an uneducated kid, and yet with minimal effort I've been able to play +EV and successfully cash out over a bitcoin in net profit so far.

If anyone's interested and willing, PM me and I'll tell you one way to play his casino with an EV of +61.749% [1]


[1] I can't guarantee that number, as it's based on the games being fair. If he's undetectably cheating, the EV is around -70% (we can't tell as the games aren't provably fair). If he's overtly cheating, the EV is -100%. If he's not cheating, the EV should be 61.749%. I can't tell what he's doing, but so far he's honored all cash outs and I've netted a reasonable profit.

So I can make a profit of 61.749% from his games? That means he has an RTP of 161.749%. Teach me master how you do it (PM ME).

[bitcoinproplayer]

What I want to say is that the source of funds is completely irrelevant.

Him proving funds doesn't prove he will payout, but it at least proves that it might be possible. As you saw earlier in the thread, he was happy taking my money (~0.2) for a game in which I won I would have made 25k BTC -- money he clearly doesn't have, and had I won, he would've cheated me in some shape or form.

Give me an example of how he could cheat. The man told you the formula. Explain how he can use the formula that he gave to cheat in a card game.

I haven't looked into the card games yet -- but the fundamental flaw in the system is that he has never committed to any formula, and in fact promises to change it every 24 hours -- for supposed security reasons. This means if there was an outcome he doesn't like, he can simply say: "lol sorry, we changed the formula to one which you lost!" And we are left in the dark to if we were cheated or not. AKA not being provably fair.

The only way that he can cheat is to arrange his cards in such a way that the dealer gets a better hand, correct? He could use a different formula for each client seed so that he could twist the cards every time differently based on the client seed. But if the player would know the formula before the gameplay starts, there would be no way to cheat, would it?

In KENO, he could use a different formula for each client seed so that when you selected your numbers, he will arrange the drawn numbers so that there will be no matches and you will never win. But if he would tell you the KENO formula, he could not cheat, because you would be the last one to influence in a known manner the deck, right?

Now let's suppose that his formula is just ONE for each game and it changes every week. Would you say that it's provably fair then?

I am still waiting for the PM. Make me rich tonight.

Is there any provably fair system that you are NOT doubting?