Cops immediately shot a 12 year old holding a toy gun without warning.

[BADecker]

i saw a report on those printed guns. it's awesome. they already have little control over the gun market. soon they will have no control and everybody will have home made guns. that's both exciting and scary at the same time but i'm eagerly awaiting the day the people are fully armed and wondering how the government will react and what direction society will take.

The talk at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwRtll3jjU4&feature=youtu.be isn't complete. What they are talking about is the law regarding what constitutes a finished lower receiver. Before you drill the screw holes in the chunk of metal that will become a lower receiver, it technically is not a lower receiver. As such, it can be shipped anywhere, free of gun laws. The tabletop milling/drilling machine shown simply adds the screw holes and some other refinements that turns the chunk of metal into a lower receiver.

The milling/drilling machine is set up so that you can program it for any number of different kinds of guns. You simply get a base chunk of metal mailed to you. The metal is within the limits that gun laws say that it is not a lower receiver. Then you mill/drill it into the lower receiver that it was meant to be. If you do it this way, it remains outside the laws for gun manufacture, unless you sell in mass quantity.

Check your local gun laws before you do it.

Doing this for personal use is legal. The moment you sell it as a full receiver, or transfer it out of state you are required to be licensed as a FFL (at least).

This is where we are going to have a big fight on our hands. Nobody likes a fight, but it's about time that our freedoms are brought back to ourselves.

Whenever you break a law (supposedly), if you do no harm or damage, and especially if the State or Federal brings charges, you win. The answers are http://www.broadmind.org/ and http://1215.org/.

It may not be easy. You may have to sue the people (their bond) rather than their position in office to make them finally toe the line, but our freedoms were never meant to be usurped like they are usurping us. FFL for a corporation, yes. FFL for a human being simply making a product for sale, no.

[Spendulus]

we both know they will make a revision to the law to make home made receivers illegal. but by that time the technology will already be in the hands of civilians. changing the law is easy. taking away all those guns is impossible. it will be an interesting time when government goons aren't the only ones carrying protection.

Well, the last several decades of law and policy on firearms ownership do not support this.

They more or less show an increase in personal firearms rights, along with an increase in police aggression and militarization.

[deluxeCITY]

i saw a report on those printed guns. it's awesome. they already have little control over the gun market. soon they will have no control and everybody will have home made guns. that's both exciting and scary at the same time but i'm eagerly awaiting the day the people are fully armed and wondering how the government will react and what direction society will take.

I don't think it would be good for "everyone" to be armed, as much of the population is not equipped (eg does not have training) or is not capable (eg is not mentally competent to make appropriate decisions with a firearm) of owning a gun.

[BADecker]

i saw a report on those printed guns. it's awesome. they already have little control over the gun market. soon they will have no control and everybody will have home made guns. that's both exciting and scary at the same time but i'm eagerly awaiting the day the people are fully armed and wondering how the government will react and what direction society will take.

I don't think it would be good for "everyone" to be armed, as much of the population is not equipped (eg does not have training) or is not capable (eg is not mentally competent to make appropriate decisions with a firearm) of owning a gun.

In the present state of the nation, it would NOT be a good idea to instantly push everyone into being armed. It took many decades to sucker the people into believing that government would protect them. They aren't ready to jump back into guns across the board.

Back before the 1930s, there were almost no taxes on the people for anything, including no income tax, and no inheritance (death) tax. Now we are taxed on just about anything that government can come up with the idea to tax us on. And we are taxed in blood on the streets by our renegade police forces. It all has to do with guns in the hands of the people.

But, we need to start somewhere. We need to change laws all across the nation to Arizona style and more, that people can open carry, that people can conceal carry without registration and permit, that government starts programs to get many more neighborhood groups into the same kind of training that police get, and finally that government stops restricting the levels of armament that common people have.

The result won't be chaos and anarchy. The result will be respect of people and their rights by other people. If we don't start this, the police death toll will rise, because people won't put up with this forever. On top of it, just like Cody Wilson has produced practical printed guns, and tabletop gun-making machines that make REAL metal guns, people are going to find ways to make other armament that might be more deadly than guns, just to put down the police rebellion, and then the military when it steps in.

[AJinNYC]

or was he just massively incompetent?

All cops are completely incompetent. You actually have to fail a basic knowledge tests to be cop. They want to make sure you wouldn't be useful somewhere else in society... like the next Einstein or Tesla.

[ChiliPowder]

This is straight murder/manslaughter. If a suspect has is armed who pulls right up to them and jumps out, especially on the side of the armed assailant, this is rookie at best. This is some Rambo shit, they could have parked away and got over the PA and gave commands.

There is literally  1-2 seconds from door opening to death, that kids fate was sealed before the cops even got there.

http://www.copblock.org/ is a geat site, every day they have 3-4 new vids/articles on another cop doing something fucked up.

They are the criminals, the murderers, the bullies and teh thiefs.

[BADecker]

This is straight murder/manslaughter. If a suspect has is armed who pulls right up to them and jumps out, especially on the side of the armed assailant, this is rookie at best. This is some Rambo shit, they could have parked away and got over the PA and gave commands.

There is literally  1-2 seconds from door opening to death, that kids fate was sealed before the cops even got there.

http://www.copblock.org/ is a geat site, every day they have 3-4 new vids/articles on another cop doing something fucked up.

They are the criminals, the murderers, the bullies and teh thiefs.

And on top of that, I have read that it is a right to open carry State. 

[kuroman]

If anything this proves two things :

1- US Police are way trigger happy, instead of using their weapons as a last ressort.

2- The firearms situation is just ridiculous, the situation is mainly due to the ease of circulation of firearms and the ease of getting one....

[TheButterZone]

2- The firearms situation is just ridiculous, the situation is mainly due to the ease of circulation of firearms and the ease of getting one....

Only "easy" to get a gun on the black market, not legally, so everyone with a gun and not a uniform is by default assumed to be a criminal. If law-abiding, sane victims were not "gun controlled" out of our human right to self-defense, LEOs would be forced to select murder victims more carefully, or get lead poisoning from victims/good Samaritans.

[okae]

the question is, why in some countrys people feel that they need to buy guns at legal or black markets as you wish...

I really think that they have in mid that there will be always enemys arround, so they need to protect themselft from an non-real enemy, they are his own enemys.... dont know if you understand what i want to say...

All cops are completely incompetent. You actually have to fail a basic knowledge tests to be cop. They want to make sure you wouldn't be useful somewhere else in society... like the next Einstein or Tesla.

Not all cmon, you cant generalize, but i agree with you, most of them are...


Is really sad that those things happends, but what made me fell really sad is to know that this will never change... and this will never change because there will be people that want that it never change....

[iCEBREAKER]

that kids fate was sealed before the cops even got there.

Bullshit.  If the kid had obeyed their instructions and hadn't acted like a thug about to open fire by doing the "look at the gun in my waistband" thing, he'd be alive.

If he had a real gun and killed people, you'd blame the cops for not acting fast enough.

People like you are easily misled by the media and the rest of the professional victimization industry misusing pictures of the kid from when he sat on Santa's lap as a toddler 10 years ago.

[TheButterZone]

What instructions? Where is the clear recording that evidences instructions were given?

They had the chance to park outside the average accurate range of a pistol and use their PA system while the cover officer pulled the rifle or shotgun out of the center console most marked vehicles seem to have. People in vehicles rarely get life-threatening GSWs from those outside them. If they drove right up to the suspect to expose themselves to hostile fire, they are Darwin Award stupid and it's just a matter of time before a real criminal shoves their suicidal "tactics" up their ass.

This seems like one of too many idiotic OIS where suicidal cops roll right up on the perp and exit the much higher safety of their vehicle to leave no choice but to have to open fire.

[iCEBREAKER]

What instructions? Where is the clear recording that evidences instructions were given?

They had the chance to park outside the average accurate range of a pistol and use their PA system. People in vehicles rarely get life-threatening GSWs from those outside them. If they drove right up to the suspect and exposed themselves to hostile fire, they are Darwin Award stupid and it's just a matter of time before a real criminal shoves their suicidal "tactics" up their ass.

Where is the evidence the cops decided to execute the kid on sight, with no verbal warnings or commands given?

How brave of you to second-guess emergency responders from the comfort of your armchair or yoga ball.

Why don't you join the force and show those dumb cops the proper way to deal with a 911 call about an armed dude terrorizing the local park with a gun?

Is it because you can't pass the physical?  No doubt.

But it's also because you would rather shift blame from the individual who created the situation to those society assigns the thankless task of dealing with it.

[TheButterZone]

Thanks for fucking up my quote and erecting strawmen. Welcome to my ignore list.

[iCEBREAKER]

Thanks for fucking up my quote and erecting strawmen. Welcome to my ignore list.

Oh what a great loss.  I get so much out of conversations with people who can't control their temper and always blame the cops for having to do society's dangerous dirty work of dealing with criminals (among many forms of emergency response).

Go wave your black flag at the nearest Occupy camp.  Maybe you can get a sweet tribal henna tattoo while you are there.   

[malaimult]

What instructions? Where is the clear recording that evidences instructions were given?

They had the chance to park outside the average accurate range of a pistol and use their PA system. People in vehicles rarely get life-threatening GSWs from those outside them. If they drove right up to the suspect and exposed themselves to hostile fire, they are Darwin Award stupid and it's just a matter of time before a real criminal shoves their suicidal "tactics" up their ass.

Where is the evidence the cops decided to execute the kid on sight, with no verbal warnings or commands given?

How brave of you to second-guess emergency responders from the comfort of your armchair or yoga ball.

Why don't you join the force and show those dumb cops the proper way to deal with a 911 call about an armed dude terrorizing the local park with a gun?

Is it because you can't pass the physical?  No doubt.

But it's also because you would rather shift blame from the individual who created the situation to those society assigns the thankless task of dealing with it.

Where they park their car does not matter, unless they are dealing with an active shooter, they are not going to be taking cover, plus a SWAT team would likely be involved.

The fact is that the kid was acting like a thug and was treated like one. When he showed the gun to the police he did so in a threatening way. If it were up to me, his parents should be charged with some crime for being such shitty parents that the kid was acting this way

[BADecker]

What instructions? Where is the clear recording that evidences instructions were given?

They had the chance to park outside the average accurate range of a pistol and use their PA system. People in vehicles rarely get life-threatening GSWs from those outside them. If they drove right up to the suspect and exposed themselves to hostile fire, they are Darwin Award stupid and it's just a matter of time before a real criminal shoves their suicidal "tactics" up their ass.

Where is the evidence the cops decided to execute the kid on sight, with no verbal warnings or commands given?

How brave of you to second-guess emergency responders from the comfort of your armchair or yoga ball.

Why don't you join the force and show those dumb cops the proper way to deal with a 911 call about an armed dude terrorizing the local park with a gun?

Is it because you can't pass the physical?  No doubt.

But it's also because you would rather shift blame from the individual who created the situation to those society assigns the thankless task of dealing with it.

Where they park their car does not matter, unless they are dealing with an active shooter, they are not going to be taking cover, plus a SWAT team would likely be involved.

The fact is that the kid was acting like a thug and was treated like one. When he showed the gun to the police he did so in a threatening way. If it were up to me, his parents should be charged with some crime for being such shitty parents that the kid was acting this way

Better a dead cop than a dead innocent kid.



EDIT: If cops can't figure this out, and find some other way to handle what they have to do, then they shouldn't be on the job. And the city council that doesn't act to make an innocent kid's life more important than a cop's is completely negligent and should be relieved of duty or worse.

[TheButterZone]

What instructions? Where is the clear recording that evidences instructions were given?

They had the chance to park outside the average accurate range of a pistol and use their PA system while the cover officer pulled the rifle or shotgun out of the center console most marked vehicles seem to have. People in vehicles rarely get life-threatening GSWs from those outside them. If they drove right up to the suspect to expose themselves to hostile fire, they are Darwin Award stupid and it's just a matter of time before a real criminal shoves their suicidal "tactics" up their ass.

This seems like one of too many idiotic OIS where suicidal cops roll right up on the perp and exit the much higher safety of their vehicle to leave no choice but to have to open fire.

Where is the evidence the cops decided to execute the kid on sight, with no verbal warnings or commands given?

How brave of you to second-guess emergency responders from the comfort of your armchair or yoga ball.

Why don't you join the force and show those dumb cops the proper way to deal with a 911 call about an armed dude terrorizing the local park with a gun?

Is it because you can't pass the physical?  No doubt.

But it's also because you would rather shift blame from the individual who created the situation to those society assigns the thankless task of dealing with it.

Where they park their car does not matter, unless they are dealing with an active shooter, they are not going to be taking cover, plus a SWAT team would likely be involved.

Active shooter tactics have changed. The first responding officers rush in and stop the bastard as soon as they find him, they don't wait for SWAT, they don't "take cover". They were smart enough to change that tactic, but we are led to believe that either 1) cops are such dumbfucks that they apply their active shooter tactics to MWAG calls when they were trained to use OTHER tactics for MWAG calls or 2) cops' training for MWAG calls is suicidal and utterly devoid of common sense, but they are Pope-level infallible now, so we should never expect them to be retrained for a commonsense, non-suicidal tactic in any future situation - the active shooter tactics were the end of all evolution in LE training.

For the morons, morons everywhere: Parking your car a safe distance away so you can give PA commands and shoot from a supported position with a vastly more accurate gun, is good tactics. Suicidally putting yourself in a situation where you're forced to mag dump with a shit accuracy gun and STILL get shot or stabbed instantly, or "take cover", and/or God forbid get disarmed by the perp and they use everything you brought to the scene for innocent bloodshed, is bad tactics.

The fact is that the kid was acting like a thug and was treated like one. When he showed the gun to the police he did so in a threatening way.

That video is still a blurry piece of shit and damn near worthless as evidence.

[BADecker]

That video is still a blurry piece of shit and damn near worthless as evidence.

The video is simple support. What was done by the cops should never have been done that way.

[cryptocoiner]