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December 16, 2014, 12:49:25 AM |
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You cannot legitimately claim self defense if you start an encounter by violating civil rights under color of authority and implicit threat of death or great bodily harm. It's like charging your innocent victim with assault for bleeding on you as you tried to beat them to death - something only LEOs have ever been able to do without any real consequences. Neither this incident nor the Michael Brown incident has anything to do with the police violating anyone's rights. In this case the police were called because someone was waiving what appeared to be a gun around. The child was acting in a threatening way. IMO if a private citizen has shot the kid instead of a police officer the private citizen would not have been charged
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December 16, 2014, 01:16:37 AM |
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You cannot legitimately claim self defense if you start an encounter by violating civil rights under color of authority and implicit threat of death or great bodily harm. It's like charging your innocent victim with assault for bleeding on you as you tried to beat them to death - something only LEOs have ever been able to do without any real consequences. Neither this incident nor the Michael Brown incident has anything to do with the police violating anyone's rights. In this case the police were called because someone was waiving what appeared to be a gun around. The child was acting in a threatening way. IMO if a private citizen has shot the kid instead of a police officer the private citizen would not have been charged People like TBZ have a preexisting anti-police agenda, which they spew the moment an opportunity arises, even/especially if created by a tragedy like the death of a child. That's why such people are called "cranks." The trenchcoat wearing Infowars kids make the rest of the liberty movement look bad, which is part of the reason they are encouraged by TPTB. We should be protesting not because of dead thugs like Brown, but rather over events like this: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/cops-kill-georgia-grandpa-in-no-knock-raid-triggered-by-burglary-suspects-tip/
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deluxeCITY
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December 16, 2014, 02:05:23 AM |
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You cannot legitimately claim self defense if you start an encounter by violating civil rights under color of authority and implicit threat of death or great bodily harm. It's like charging your innocent victim with assault for bleeding on you as you tried to beat them to death - something only LEOs have ever been able to do without any real consequences. Neither this incident nor the Michael Brown incident has anything to do with the police violating anyone's rights. In this case the police were called because someone was waiving what appeared to be a gun around. The child was acting in a threatening way. IMO if a private citizen has shot the kid instead of a police officer the private citizen would not have been charged People like TBZ have a preexisting anti-police agenda, which they spew the moment an opportunity arises, even/especially if created by a tragedy like the death of a child. That's why such people are called "cranks." The trenchcoat wearing Infowars kids make the rest of the liberty movement look bad, which is part of the reason they are encouraged by TPTB. We should be protesting not because of dead thugs like Brown, but rather over events like this: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/cops-kill-georgia-grandpa-in-no-knock-raid-triggered-by-burglary-suspects-tip/I am no fan of law enforcement, however you need to use the rule of law, just like they do. IMO law enforcement needs to be held to certain standards, but I don't think this is an example of them acting improperly
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December 16, 2014, 03:36:17 AM |
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You cannot legitimately claim self defense if you start an encounter by violating civil rights under color of authority and implicit threat of death or great bodily harm. It's like charging your innocent victim with assault for bleeding on you as you tried to beat them to death - something only LEOs have ever been able to do without any real consequences. Neither this incident nor the Michael Brown incident has anything to do with the police violating anyone's rights. In this case the police were called because someone was waiving what appeared to be a gun around. The child was acting in a threatening way. IMO if a private citizen has shot the kid instead of a police officer the private citizen would not have been charged People like TBZ have a preexisting anti-police agenda, which they spew the moment an opportunity arises, even/especially if created by a tragedy like the death of a child. That's why such people are called "cranks." The trenchcoat wearing Infowars kids make the rest of the liberty movement look bad, which is part of the reason they are encouraged by TPTB. We should be protesting not because of dead thugs like Brown, but rather over events like this: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/cops-kill-georgia-grandpa-in-no-knock-raid-triggered-by-burglary-suspects-tip/I am no fan of law enforcement, however you need to use the rule of law, just like they do. IMO law enforcement needs to be held to certain standards, but I don't think this is an example of them acting improperly Yeah. Rule of law until they get the wrong address, knock your door down, and shoot your buddy dead who you were playing cards with, because they though the royal flush he was holding was a threat to their safety.
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December 16, 2014, 04:09:57 AM |
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IMO if a private citizen has shot the kid instead of a police officer the private citizen would not have been charged
Bovine feces. They would have been (and are) charged if they weren't murdered by a lynch mob first. Thanks for rejecting the reality of double standards and substituting your own. Yeah. Rule of law until they get the wrong address, knock your door down, and shoot your buddy dead who you were playing cards with, because they though the royal flush he was holding was a threat to their safety. Gambit.
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Saying that you don't trust someone because of their behavior is completely valid.
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December 17, 2014, 05:33:27 AM |
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IMO if a private citizen has shot the kid instead of a police officer the private citizen would not have been charged
This is rich. The police can get away with murder; an ordinary citizen will have his ass fried.
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BADecker
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December 17, 2014, 10:08:55 AM |
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IMO if a private citizen has shot the kid instead of a police officer the private citizen would not have been charged
This is rich. The police can get away with murder; an ordinary citizen will have his ass fried. The really funny part about all this is, there are loads of average citizens (you can find some of them commenting right in this thread) who think that the cops were justified. They simply can't get it through their thick skulls that allowing and condoning this kind of activity by cops is going come down and bite them in the near future. And, that near future just might be way closer than anyone thinks, considering the way the Federal Government has been arming the police, lately, with all kinds of WAR gear.
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December 18, 2014, 06:35:11 AM |
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IMO if a private citizen has shot the kid instead of a police officer the private citizen would not have been charged
Bovine feces. They would have been (and are) charged if they weren't murdered by a lynch mob first. Thanks for rejecting the reality of double standards and substituting your own. Look at what happened to the guy who killed thug Travis Martin. He was only charged after the racest race baiters got involved and Martin's mother hired a PR firm to spread lies about the situation. The overall public very much agreed with him being not guilty
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December 18, 2014, 06:46:55 AM |
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IMO if a private citizen has shot the kid instead of a police officer the private citizen would not have been charged
Bovine feces. They would have been (and are) charged if they weren't murdered by a lynch mob first. Thanks for rejecting the reality of double standards and substituting your own. Look at what happened to the guy who killed thug Travis Martin. He was only charged after the racest race baiters got involved and Martin's mother hired a PR firm to spread lies about the situation. The overall public very much agreed with him being not guilty IIRC, George Zimmerman had an assassination bounty put on him by the lynch mob. I may have lost some friends for daring to suggest that only an omniscient being could know what happened that night other than GZ (since the rest of the neighborhood apparently rather hid than watch), and he deserved a fair trial by jury rather than a lynch mob execution.
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Saying that you don't trust someone because of their behavior is completely valid.
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malaimult
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December 19, 2014, 04:33:33 AM |
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IMO if a private citizen has shot the kid instead of a police officer the private citizen would not have been charged
Bovine feces. They would have been (and are) charged if they weren't murdered by a lynch mob first. Thanks for rejecting the reality of double standards and substituting your own. Look at what happened to the guy who killed thug Travis Martin. He was only charged after the racest race baiters got involved and Martin's mother hired a PR firm to spread lies about the situation. The overall public very much agreed with him being not guilty IIRC, George Zimmerman had an assassination bounty put on him by the lynch mob. I may have lost some friends for daring to suggest that only an omniscient being could know what happened that night other than GZ (since the rest of the neighborhood apparently rather hid than watch), and he deserved a fair trial by jury rather than a lynch mob execution. Any potential bounty was put on his head only because the liberal media portrayed him as a racist to further their agenda advocating for gun control and because Martin's parents were trying to profit from their son's death and did so by portraying what happened as a murder
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