US health care mandate (Obamacare) II: The grubering...

[Wilikon]

!!!!!!!!HAPPY THANKSGIVING 2014!!!!!!!!

[Chef Ramsay]

Back when this bill was rammed through there was major tensions going on at Congressional town halls across the country so it's not like the voters didn't know what was up. Sure, there were the idiot drones that bought some of the BS PR that was being sold but the average voter had their say in the immediate election afterwards and voted republican in droves. It's more like during this pitch scam, the media kept repeating the BS and the democratic Congresspersons were playing partisan politics rather than getting to the bottom of what this health care bill would do and who it was written to benefit.

[Spendulus]

Back when this bill was rammed through there was major tensions going on at Congressional town halls across the country so it's not like the voters didn't know what was up. Sure, there were the idiot drones that bought some of the BS PR that was being sold but the average voter had their say in the immediate election afterwards and voted republican in droves. It's more like during this pitch scam, the media kept repeating the BS and the democratic Congresspersons were playing partisan politics rather than getting to the bottom of what this health care bill would do and who it was written to benefit.

I guess what I'd like to see admitted by the true Democrat believers is that this thing is a mistake by way of the way it was rammed through - never going through the committee review process either in the House or Senate.

This is essentially what Gruber did and has done and why he deserves respect at least for his honesty.

[Wilikon]

Back when this bill was rammed through there was major tensions going on at Congressional town halls across the country so it's not like the voters didn't know what was up. Sure, there were the idiot drones that bought some of the BS PR that was being sold but the average voter had their say in the immediate election afterwards and voted republican in droves. It's more like during this pitch scam, the media kept repeating the BS and the democratic Congresspersons were playing partisan politics rather than getting to the bottom of what this health care bill would do and who it was written to benefit.

I guess what I'd like to see admitted by the true Democrat believers is that this thing is a mistake by way of the way it was rammed through - never going through the committee review process either in the House or Senate.

This is essentially what Gruber did and has done and why he deserves respect at least for his honesty.

One of them, number 3 in line of power did that.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=864902.msg9668262#msg9668262

[deluxeCITY]

Back when this bill was rammed through there was major tensions going on at Congressional town halls across the country so it's not like the voters didn't know what was up. Sure, there were the idiot drones that bought some of the BS PR that was being sold but the average voter had their say in the immediate election afterwards and voted republican in droves. It's more like during this pitch scam, the media kept repeating the BS and the democratic Congresspersons were playing partisan politics rather than getting to the bottom of what this health care bill would do and who it was written to benefit.

The ACA (aka obamacare) was really never popular with the public. House republicans even tried (unsuccessfully) to force members to cast their vote one at a time on camera. It was speculated that republican opponents would use this footage during the next election cycle to attack members who voted for the aca; this was not done because democrats knew how unpopular the bill was with their constituents.   

[Wilikon]

Gallup: Record Number Of Americans Forgoing Getting Medical Care Because Of Costs



One in three Americans has put off seeking medical treatment in 2014 due to high costs, according to Gallup — the highest percentage since Gallup began asking the question in 2001.

Thirty-three percent of Americans have delayed medical treatment for themselves or their families because of the costs they’d have to pay, according to the survey. Obamacare, of course, had promised that it would help make health care more affordable for everyone, but the number of people who can’t afford a trip to the doctor has actually risen three points since 2013, before most Obamacare provisions took effect.

The hardest-hit: the middle-class. Americans with an annual household income of between $30,000 and $75,000 began delaying medical care over costs more in 2014, up to 38 percent in 2014 from 33 percent last year; among households that earn above $75,000, 28 percent delayed care this year, compared to just 17 percent last year.


http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/28/gallup-peak-number-of-americans-delaying-medical-care-over-costs/

[Wilikon]

Sebelius: Americans don’t like Obamacare because their “financial literacy is low”


Still, Sebelius didn’t dispute the point that many Americans don’t fully understand how health insurance and the Affordable Care Act work, including the trade-offs involved in expanding coverage.

“A lot of Americans have no idea what insurance is about,” she said. “I think the financial literacy of a lot of people, particularly people who did not have insurance coverage or whose employers chose their coverage and kind of present it to them, is very low — and that has been a sort of stunning revelation. It’s not because people hid it from folks. It’s because this is a complicated product.”

Kathleen Sebelius: Jonathan Gruber? Who?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/12/02/capital-download-kathleen-sebelius-jonathan-gruber/19786581/

[Wilikon]

The president rewrites the ObamaCare law — again



On Thanksgiving eve, the Obama administration dumped reams of mind-numbing ObamaCare regulations into the Federal Register — including yet more unilateral rewrites of the Affordable Care Act.

Dropping the rules as most Americans were busy preparing for the holiday made a mockery (again) of President Obama’s promise to have “the most transparent administration in history.” The stunt has even worked to keep most of the media from reporting on the rules.

Yet the changes these regulations make in the health care law are substantial.

For one, the president is redefining what health plans are “adequate” for larger employers (100-plus workers) to offer under the Affordable Care Act. He’s also “asking” insurers to pay for new benefits — while warning that, if they don’t, they may be forced to.

Under the Constitution, Obama lacks any authority to make such changes to the health law, or any law. Only Congress has that power. But he’s doing it, and not for the first time.


http://nypost.com/2014/12/02/the-president-rewrites-the-obamacare-law-again/

[Wilikon]

Obamacare Coauthor Says It Was A Mistake To Pass The Law, “Complex And Convoluted”…



Sen. Tom Harkin, one of the coauthors of the Affordable Care Act, now thinks Democrats may have been better off not passing it at all and holding out for a better bill.

The Iowa Democrat who chairs the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, laments the complexity of legislation the Senate passed five years ago.

He wonders in hindsight whether the law was made overly complicated to satisfy the political concerns of a few Democratic centrists who have since left Congress.

“We had the power to do it in a way that would have simplified healthcare, made it more efficient and made it less costly and we didn’t do it,” Harkin told The Hill. “So I look back and say we should have either done it the correct way or not done anything at all.

“What we did is we muddle through and we got a system that is complex, convoluted, needs probably some corrections and still rewards the insurance companies extensively,” he added.


http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/225812-harkin-dems-better-off-without-obamacare#.VH8ZN4Rt2lQ.twitter



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He admits 0bamacare was in purpose NOT created to help the citizen with their healthcare but instead help democrats to win elections...

[Wilikon]

Gruber co-authored a paper during the Clinton years which argued that legal abortion had saved the U.S. taxpayer upwards of $14 billion in welfare benefits and that it also lowered crime.

Gruber’s work heavily influenced other researchers, including a paper called The Impact of Legalized Abortion by Steven Levitt of the University of Chicago, whose later book Freakonomics and whose ongoing work makes the strongest case that abortion legalizations in the 1970s caused a dramatic drop in crime twenty years later.

Pro-lifers have always wondered why the black community has not responded more aggressively to the fact that so many abortion clinics are located in poor neighborhoods and why the black abortion rate is so much higher than whites.
A documentary called Maafa 21 argues that abortion is a part of what they called a “black genocide.”

African-American marketing expert Ryan Scott Bomberger founded an organization called The Radiance Foundation that makes commercials for the unborn child with a special emphasis on the high incidence of black abortion. Emmy-wining Bomberger’s toomanyaborted.com campaign looks specifically at black abortion. One meme calls abortion a “civil wrong” and that blacks are “still not free at last” because of abortion. Bomberger is being sued by the NAACP for calling the group “pro-abortion.” 

A group called 41 Percent tracks all abortions in New York City, which has an abortion rate at twice the national average, points out that the abortion rate in the largely black borough of The Bronx is an astounding 47%.
These are the types of communities Gruber meant when he referred the “marginal children” who were the most likely to end up on welfare and committing crimes if they were allowed to be born.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/12/07/Obamacare-Architect-Calls-Abortion-of-Marginal-Children-a-Social-Good?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Spendulus]

Gruber co-authored a paper during the Clinton years which argued that legal abortion had saved the U.S. taxpayer upwards of $14 billion in welfare benefits and that it also lowered crime.

By GOD how'd we miss aborting that damn Gruber?  Is it too late?

[Chef Ramsay]

Gruber reminds me of quite a few liberals I know in that they aren't below misrepresenting something to get to the end goal or the end justifies the means MO. They talk a good game in public about minorities but would definitely cross the street rather than have to walk by a few of them, depending on their perception of course. Furthermore, these liberals are for the welfare and housing stuff as a way to throw them a bone and give them the bare essentials to keep them away from the former. None of this surprises me anymore.

[Wilikon]

Gruber co-authored a paper during the Clinton years which argued that legal abortion had saved the U.S. taxpayer upwards of $14 billion in welfare benefits and that it also lowered crime.

By GOD how'd we miss aborting that damn Gruber?  Is it too late?

Pro abortionists for 'the greater good for all' never abort themselves... A bit like al gore loving 4X4s or Kerry moving his sailboat away from the state he resides to avoid paying taxes, etc... Pretty much what Chief Ramsay said...

[Spendulus]

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Pro abortionists for 'the greater good for all' never abort themselves... A bit like al gore loving 4X4s or Kerry moving his sailboat away from the state he resides to avoid paying taxes, etc... Pretty much what Chief Ramsay said...

Never mind.  I just realized Gruber IS an abortion.

[Wilikon]

Feds Plan for 35 Agencies to Help Collect, Share, Use Electronic Health Info


Along with the primary goal of expanding the availability of health insurance, the Affordable Care Act aims to make the use of Electronic Health Records (EHR) universal. This plan actually began with the 2009 stimulus (the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act), which included the Health Information Technology for Economic and Clinical Health (HITECH) Act. Doctors and other health providers have been offered incentives to convert patient information and health histories to a compatible and transferable electronic format, and as of June 2014, 75 percent of eligible doctors and 92 percent of eligible hospitals had received payments under the program.

This week, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced the release of the Federal Health IT Strategic Plan 2015-2020, which details the efforts of some 35 departments and agencies of the federal government and their roles in the plan to "advance the collection, sharing, and use of electronic health information to improve health care, individual and community health, and research." The plan is illustrated with the following graphic:

Each step of the plan includes three-year and six-year goals, and the various goals, depending on their focus, require the involvement of department and agencies as disparate as the Department of Defense, the Federal Trade Commission, and NASA, in addition to the expected participation of entities such as HHS, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and the Indian Health Service. The report includes a comprehensive list of all departments and agencies involved:

While Electronic Health Records (EHR) are the most visible example of the type of information the plan discusses, other technologies include "mobile and telehealth technology, cloud-based services, medical devices, and remote monitoring devices, assistive technologies, and sensors." The plan stresses the importance of government in developing these technologies given its roles to "provide direct care and health insurance, protect public health, fund health and human services for certain populations, invest in infrastructure, develop and implement policies and regulations, and advance groundbreaking research."

Now that HHS has publicly released the Federal Health IT Strategic Plan, the agency is seeking the input from the public before implementation. The plan is subject to two-month period of public comment before finalization. The comment period runs through February 6, 2015.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/feds-plan-35-agencies-help-collect-share-use-electronic-health-info_821037.html

[Wilikon]

Jonathan Gruber Repeatedly Refuses To Disclose How Much He Earned From ObamaCare


From a 2010 report: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=3032e84fe13f650770acee31c1372a1b&_cview=1&cck=1&au=&ck=

Liberal economist Jonathan Gruber touted Obamacare to state-run media outlets but did not disclose that he was under contract with Department of Health and Human Services for $297,600.

Gruber was paid over $4 million for scheming and deceiving the “stupid” American public.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g7ACZDBOKM

[Wilikon]

Trey Gowdy GRILLS Jonathan Gruber. Did You Apologize Because You Said It Or Meant It?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d46iFb7C4Yo






Gowdy's House...

[Wilikon]

Gruber: I Knew Obama Would Break His ObamaCare “Keep Your Plan” Pledge For “Some People”




Rep. Tim Walberg (R-MI): The Obama administration promised the American people 37 times that if you like your plan you can keep your plan. When you were working on the law did you believe that no one would lose their plan if they liked during Obamacare.

Gruber: I believed that the law would not affect the majority of Americans.

Walberg: But did you believe that no one, as the president said, would lose a plan they liked?

Gruber: As I said I believed it would not affect a vast majority of Americans. But, it is true that some people would have to upgrade their plans because their plans were not comprehensive as defined by the law.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAw_LXyKeA4

[Wilikon]

Talk to my lawyer: Gruber won’t commit to turning over documents he produced for ObamaCare


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmixKPZA04o


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MIT Prof: "I have documents in front of me. I am so stupid. What is the meaning of your question again?"

 

[Spendulus]

Talk to my lawyer: Gruber won’t commit to turning over documents he produced for ObamaCare


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmixKPZA04o


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MIT Prof: "I have documents in front of me. I am so stupid. What is the meaning of your question again?"

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ctuXLZjtV4