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June 22, 2012, 05:53:01 AM
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Want to see who is head of DEA? LoL. I am still pondering over this video. Grabbed it from norml.org.

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June 22, 2012, 06:08:53 AM
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The DEA is a military organization created by the executive branch and overseen by the President.

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June 23, 2012, 12:06:00 PM
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Here's one of my standard comments explaining the link between prohibition and violence:

The war on (some) drugs fuels violence because the “WAR” on drugs IS violence. It’s the policy of sending men with guns to arrest the sellers of certain drugs and their customers and lock them in government cages. All of the other violence that surrounds the (non-alcohol, non-tobacco) drug trade is fundamentally a REACTION to that initial state-sponsored violence. Prohibition renders contracts unenforceable and makes it impossible for competitors to use the courts or the police to challenge intimidation or settle disputes. There are plenty of legal businesses that might love to “kill the competition,” but that only becomes a viable strategy under the black market conditions that prohibition creates. (Note that nobody from Coke or Pepsi has their decapitated corpse hung from a bridge as a result of the so-called “Cola Wars.”) Prohibition also raises the prices of illicit drugs and hence their profitability. (Econ 101: risk demands compensation.) This only increases sellers’ incentives to do “whatever it takes” to capture market share. Today you don’t see rival beer distributors engaging in deadly shoot-outs over turf, but you USED TO — during alcohol prohibition. Run a Google image search for “U.S. homicide rate graph” (not all together in quotes). Take a look at the murder rate before, after, and during alcohol prohibition (1919-1933). Then read some current news out of Mexico (pretty much any news will do). Spot a pattern? The use of state violence to address what is really a medical and health issue (as well as a matter of personal choice) has been a disaster. And it needs to stop.
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June 23, 2012, 12:11:55 PM
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If "we" are indeed winning the "drug war" it might be because the "drug war" takes "second stage" to the "cryptocurrency war".

The "government" might "give up the drug war" to maintain its powerbase and take usefullness out of cryptocurrency.

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June 23, 2012, 01:31:33 PM
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Bahahahahahahaha...


Drug's are bad.. My job hard... Stop making me think...
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June 23, 2012, 01:49:17 PM
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Bahahahahahahaha...


Drug's are bad.. My job hard... Stop making me think...


lolololololololol

jobs are bad....My drugs are hard ...... stop stopping me thinking.

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June 23, 2012, 01:52:03 PM
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LOL.... Dum twat...

What is more addictive? Crack or heroin ? Or marijuana ?


Well IMO its Marijuana because its BAD...... HAHA dum twat.... go work the harveys drive through where you belong
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June 23, 2012, 06:03:31 PM
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Yea, I was waiting for ppl to reply about this. Messed up to the max.

Polis gave it to her, and showed the stupid behind DEA. I applause Polis.
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June 23, 2012, 08:53:11 PM
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That is awesome.
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Schedule I substances are those that have the following findings:

       1) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
       2) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
       3) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

With regards to marijuana, 2 is clearly false, 3 is clearly false, 1 is like your opinion man.

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June 24, 2012, 11:45:27 AM
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Drugs should be legal, not because it's a waste of money, time, and energy, but because every individual should have sovereign rights on her or his body.

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I believe that we should not be tutors than we should let every person to decide. nobody is stupid, people know what they do when they smoke (60 cigaretes per day), drink (2 liter of votka), use marijuana or anything stronger. if people want to enjoy even they know they destroy themselves, solution is educative measures and not repressive measures.
believe it or not, I am almost 40 years old and I never saw any educative program against smoking (in the school, or anywhere else), drinking, using any kind of drugs. there is only news about making prisons full with people who just wanted to enjoy.

imagine student get beaten by cops after they catch him to smoke weed, then he finish in custody and in the prison several months, when he spend half year with prisoners he will listen whole day everyday only about criminality and he will adapt himself and become the same like they are, criminal in his head, when he goes out from the prison, he will just watch how to steal something. after several days he will become normal again. if he spends 2 years in the prison, he will stay criminal whole life.
in my country we say: with whom you are, that's what you will become. it means that most people adapt themselves in their community and they become the same like people around.
so, let people to enjoy, finish univeristy, find job and get good life, it is better than to make them criminal. nobody can stop people to enjoy, surely not in represive way, even if all drugs are destroyed, people will find plants (peyote) and drug themselves.
and for the end, yes, drug war is misused to finance right wing politicians and make ideoliogical war against socialism in latin america. and racist police don't touch hollywood white stars, they arrest massivly poor afro americans. american prisons became industry.
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June 24, 2012, 01:00:42 PM
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Prisons are school for more Crime..... The Prison system has the oposite affect when it comes to drug use... Go in a user, come out with great dealer hookups......
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June 24, 2012, 08:19:19 PM
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yes, I am agreed.
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June 25, 2012, 08:50:25 PM
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Just saw this.


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June 25, 2012, 08:54:14 PM
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Just saw this.
Therefore, illegality must not be based on therapeutic ratio.

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June 25, 2012, 09:08:38 PM
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Just saw this.
Therefore, illegality must not be based on therapeutic ratio.
Clearly.

Sadly it seems lots of people have no clue about any of these numbers though.

I've had conversations with quiet a few people that think smoking too much pot has killed people.  Showing them a chart like this that has prescription drugs like Prozac on it can be at least a little educational.

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June 25, 2012, 09:35:48 PM
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depends what side of 'we' you are on?
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Exactly! We ARE winning the drug war! The Silk Road is like the Napster of drugs - not quite perfected yet, but shows what is possible and what will become widespread and easy in the future.
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June 25, 2012, 10:21:04 PM
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It's already easy and sorta wide spread Tongue
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June 25, 2012, 11:30:59 PM
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depends what side of 'we' you are on?
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Exactly! We ARE winning the drug war! The Silk Road is like the Napster of drugs - not quite perfected yet, but shows what is possible and what will become widespread and easy in the future.

Yep, "we" ARE winning. And we're also winning the battle for public opinion. I always encourage people to run a google image search for "cannabis Gallup poll" and look at the trendline.  In 1969 (the year polling began), only 12% of Americans wanted to legalize pot. In the mid-90s that number had crept up to 24%. Last year, support for reform hit 50% and it continues to grow FAST. (The Internet era has not been kind to the drug warriors and their propaganda.) An even more recent Rasmussen poll showed 56% support for legalizing and regulating cannabis with only 36% opposed.  Support for reform also gets stronger the younger the demographic. In fact, the only age group that continues to strongly oppose legalization is the 65+ crowd, and they won't be around forever.  It seems that the long-awaited "tipping point" is finally here. (Of course, cannabis legalization isn't the entire drug war, but it will be a huge and important first step.)
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June 25, 2012, 11:40:38 PM
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Yep, "we" ARE winning. And we're also winning the battle for public opinion. I always encourage people to run a google image search for "cannabis Gallup poll" and look at the trendline.  In 1969 (the year polling began), only 12% of Americans wanted to legalize pot. In the mid-90s that number had crept up to 24%. Last year, support for reform hit 50% and it continues to grow FAST. (The Internet era has not been kind to the drug warriors and their propaganda.) An even more recent Rasmussen poll showed 56% support for legalizing and regulating cannabis with only 36% opposed.  Support for reform also gets stronger the younger the demographic. In fact, the only age group that continues to strongly oppose legalization is the 65+ crowd, and they won't be around forever.  It seems that the long-awaited "tipping point" is finally here. (Of course, cannabis legalization isn't the entire drug war, but it will be a huge and important first step.)

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June 25, 2012, 11:43:37 PM
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Yep, "we" ARE winning. And we're also winning the battle for public opinion. I always encourage people to run a google image search for "cannabis Gallup poll" and look at the trendline.  In 1969 (the year polling began), only 12% of Americans wanted to legalize pot. In the mid-90s that number had crept up to 24%. Last year, support for reform hit 50% and it continues to grow FAST. (The Internet era has not been kind to the drug warriors and their propaganda.) An even more recent Rasmussen poll showed 56% support for legalizing and regulating cannabis with only 36% opposed.  Support for reform also gets stronger the younger the demographic. In fact, the only age group that continues to strongly oppose legalization is the 65+ crowd, and they won't be around forever.  It seems that the long-awaited "tipping point" is finally here. (Of course, cannabis legalization isn't the entire drug war, but it will be a huge and important first step.)

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I love reading this, and will do so over and over.

Yeah... I've realized that sometimes the only way to get change is to wait for the stubborn people to die.

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