THOSE BAY FAQs...

[barabbas]

The lot of them is simply riotous. Beyond hilarious. Just check them for yourself, worth it for the laughs.

But at the key point in them, here's one of the best "pearls":

Q: Are there any mechanisms to rid the BitBay marketplace of things like guns, abusive pornagraphy, hitmen, etc?

A: Those things will not be possible in the main markets even though they are in fact decentralized. This is for two reasons. First in order to get into a white listed market, you need to prove your worth by doing deals in the Halo market. Next, once in the decentralized market, special moderator versions of Halo will be given out to help oversee what is seen in a decentralized market. Users can also flag posts and when a certain number of flags is reached, the orders become invisible. Whitelists allow for trust systems. So anyone running a decentralized market has total control over who is able to post to it.

Just read that answer slowly and carefully, ok? This is a decentralized series of markets but you, somehow, have to prove "your worth" to access the big leagues, but playing first in the small ones. Fair enough, so you sell your collection of stamps and your used DVDs first and once qualified, you go into the big leagues where you sell dolls (full of cocaine) that ship from Colombia. Or Thailand... ah, but no, there's that omnipresent "Halo special moderator" that "oversees" somehow what is seen in "a decentralized market". So the market is not that decentralized after all. Oh but that "Halo special moderator" is just a bunch of keywords, so no real moderator at all: You can write anything you want -or post any pictures you want- except that you have to watch you avoid the keywords that would alert the "special moderator", and you are in business... And since Law enforcement is completely stupid, even retarded, they won't be able to tell what you are selling either. And even is they find out, they wont be able to come after you because, after all, you are selling in a decentralized market, right? So when they purchase your dolls and trace their origin, you would send them to a jungle in the Amazon instead the shipment addresses in Colombia or Thailand. Or the UPC or mail office closest where they will be waiting for you when they order the next shipment... yeah, quite clever indeed Zimbeck... oh boy... It can and will apply to things much more "innocent" too, such as the pirated versions of "Fury" or "The Godfather" too, not to mention the discography of Taylor Swift of the latest version of Halo (pun fully intended) for Playstation 5.

But besides the obvious, this whole idea of a "decentralized marketplace" is so beyond absurd that it really is amazing it will still have some sale (pun again!) value: Much like on eBay, buyers and sellers will be "rated", therefore left at the whim of competitors -legit and non- or simply "demanding" customers/sellers for their listings will disappear if a "certain number of flags is reached". Manipulating those numbers of flags cannot be easier and poof, competitoir out of the way. Or otherwise valid consumer, out of the way because... well, he used the handle "barabbas" to purchase a couple of things and he maybe you know, that guy on BTCT...

Finally, So anyone running a decentralized market has total control over who is able to post to it. Now I am REALLY confused... I thought this was totally DECENTRALIZED so the whole point was that NOBODY was "running a decentralized market"... what's that you said, ITS TOTAL BULLSHIT created only to get [people to at least hold their coins without provoking a major stampede before they collect the payments held by BTER that they posted to themselves in exchange for the coins they are orderly unloading since the coin came online at the exchanges? That makes sense. ONLY that makes sense.

David, do I take that your debts will be fully cancelled and you'll be on the clear as of December 5th or shortly thereafter, or are you "tied up" until the full delivery, somewhere in March or so... I hope, for once, you were clever enough to get ouit of them on the 5th, otherwise it is going to be a long winter of your discontent.

Which is what usually happens when, instead of working, you choose to try to scam people, you know?

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[dzimbeck]

Give me an alternative instead of complaining. And stop dropping my name as if I'm doing anything wrong.

First of all, I'm not moderating the main market, will hire somebody to do that. The main market goes through a server so that not only do I absolve myself of legal liability, but people have something that is fast and robust. IIts possible people such as consumers will prefer anyways. To get into the decentralized MAIN markets of Halo and NT I'm not going to require much, probably about 5 or 6 deals to get into the whitelist.

Once a person is in the decentralized market they can post what they want but other users can flag the posts. A moderator at that point would only be able to delete a post after it gets to market not before. This allows people to have markets with no server, but control what is seen in the market.

What if you wanted to have a market that sold electronics and you didnt want a server? What would happen if this wasnt in place?
Simple, people would post things that dont belong there and spam the market. This gives a white layer on the darknet.

So nobody is stopping you from making your own private market. It is very much decentralized. Wanna post drugs? Is that what this is about? It sure sounds like thats what you want.

Do you want to post drugs to a market where people are trying to sell cash? Or how about posting them where people try to trade coins? This system allows for markets to sell what they claim to sell. It seems to me a bit funny that everyone stands up for the freedom of drug dealers and then forget about the rest of the world who also may benefit from said services.

And you realize there is no justice in the world right? If my main markets are anything but pure, I run the risk of getting thrown in jail for writing basic software. No, this is superior. This keeps my main markets clean.

If you want a free market, start your own whitelist. Its not hard to do and I certainly can't stop you. Perhaps you also need to relax, I'm working hard and trying my best to make good products. If you don't like what I make you are free to do whatever you want.

[dzimbeck]

Also, you accusing me of trying to scam people is just incorrect. 

Talk to altcoin UK just had a very nice, long convo with him and willing to do the same with you. The picture you paint is not even close to what goes on and I'm more than happy to talk with you privately, over the phone or on skype. Show you the client, show you the flow charts and some code snippets and so forth. I would rather talk to you like a brother than waste my time on a forum.

I'm writing software. Nothing more, nothing less. Got hired by BitBay to sell a license. So I did. Your grandiose fantasies are untrue. The markets are in fact decentralized. Any private whitelist will not use a server. So it is in fact decentralized. Perhaps you spend too much time on Tor.

As far as bootleg DVDs and dolls full of drugs. I'm pretty sure people can do that on E-Bay anyways. We arent responsible for the impossible. In fact, we arent responsible for anything that gets posted to the internet. But it certainly doesnt hurt to have your bases covered. Im sure its pretty easy for you to be a critic from the outside looking in. Really, you dont have any idea what goes on here. It is judgemental and impolite to use my name in the maner that you do. Especially since I was hired on as a contractor.

The reason I take on more responsibility is ironically to protect investors. This is also the reason im planning on hedging/pegging.

My intentions are always good and i work my ass off to make good software. You should try it sometime(coding) and see how it is to be in my shoes.

[barabbas]

Ah David you almost made me cry... except that I cry for the people that REALLY work and barely survive and not by lazy individuals that concentrate all their efforts in conning and scamming people. And you, Zimbeck, fit that bill. I don't care who your employer is, you are the LEAD DEVELOPER of that immense scam that is BitBay. And you know it is an immense SCAM top to bottom. And yes, you are scamming people. Aiding and abiding. You know they only sold a few hundred BTC. You do. You know they (you?) have been and will continue to dump the coins that they sold with the left hand and bought with the right one. And you participate. Enthusiastically.

You ALSO know that your "decentralized market" is just a gimmick, not a real, practicable thing, just a gimmick fully copied from NXT whose only purpose is actual delivery of anything remotely working so BTER will release the 3rd installment. You know this. And you, again, enthusiastically participate. And, frankly, I do not care much that you are in debt so deep you feel like drowning, really. What you have done all your life so far -chess apart- is WRONG. If you don't make enough to pay your bills, work flipping burgers, ok? But this, maybe these guys that have employed you will get you out of debt. Or maybe they will get you in jail too. Don't know or care. But what you are doing is completely wrong and you know it.

If you have anything remotely valid to say, these forums are read by everyone interested in crypto. Everyone. I am not your brother and there's nothing that you can tell me that you cannot post here, so do or don't, up to you. But yes, what you are doing, for the third time, is VERY WRONG. And it will catch up with you sooner rather than later, because no matter how you choose to want to portray it, you are the face and main responsible for that huge scam you facilitate every single day, in BAY.

Your BitHalo and NightTrader, by the way, are as worthless as the price of BC indicates. See, if people would want to trade in crypto for regular things, like on eBay, avoiding PayPal and its draconian fees and regulations, they would be doing that already massively. Without any need for Halo or NT. There's a lot of quite reputable people ready and willing to escrow anything. Some trading is already going on that way. Has for months. No one needs a pseudo "decentralized" escrow where buyers are supposed to put up to 3 times the price of what they are buying and sellers are supposed to put up 2 times the price of what they are selling. You DO know that but... you need money. At whatever ethical price. So instead of WORKING on progressing  towards ideas that can be furthered by technology, you choose, again -in spite of the spiteful experiences of the past- the short route to... Palookaville.

Not sorry to burst your bubble, Zimbeck, hopefully on time to avoid that a lot of people be hurt by your outrageous behavior. Now, the forum is yours if you want to come with some "brotherly" explanations that ANYONE can understand instead of the idiotic hyperbole you crowd your "whitepapers" with. I, for one, will be all ears.

Oh, and something else, being an extra in Pirates II, although nicely paid and for no matter how many days (I know it was 4 weeks) is not "working as an actor", it is doing work as background or, in popular lingo, to be an extra, which is something quite different much as you want to present it otherwise. The same applies to commercials, local, regional or national, ok? And, you should know, having access to a digital camera doesn't make you a professional photographer even if you profess to take photos for a price. If you don't make a living at it, you are just someone with a hobby, ok?
  

[dzimbeck]

First of all, I dont have any proof that the people who employed me are scamming. I was paid in BTC and most of it in advance. If you dont believe me, ask the Baycoin guys. If you have a problem, take it up with them. Second, I'm going to attempt to peg the price with the hopes to protect investors regardless of what you say.

Also, these markets are volatile as it is.

Next, I respond to you in a civil way calling you a brother is my way of being civil. Its just not my nature to talk the way you do. Maybe you need to take a look in the mirror and turn the telescope around. I dont discuss your personal life. Working as a photographer I got paid jobs and made commercials would be more than happy to send you a referral and resume for example from my friend Blake from Video Optimize who set me up with a lot of the work.

And Pirates you just dont know what you are talking about. We were hired as principal, it was one of the biggest auditions in LA ever. There was like 10K people who went out for it and to be honest, we kind of got screwed on our contracts. It ended up being glorfied extra work but it was higher than SAG. We got sunbbed from the credits unlike the Core in Pirates 1. There was only 20 core booked that went to Dominica and Bahamas. I was flown out to Bahammas for over a month. And also, thats not the only work I did. I constantly did commercial work for companies like Time Warner, Arla, AOL etc etc. Additionally, (who cares?) why dont you tell me what you have done with your life?

Some people would be grateful they worked on Pirates and did so many fun and exciting things. I can see that perhaps you take for granted these things. Come to Cambodia I will show you how fortunate you are to have the ability to even use the internet or computer. And I don't advertise my personal life although I can tell you it has been quite the ride and I'm very grateful and shit im only 30. Just getting started.

Your idea that NightTrader and Halo arent worth anything is based on what exactly? You seem to know a lot about me. Perhaps you are jealous.  You dont need to deposit 3x the price where did you hear this? Also, you can microtrade under the contracts and they can be used for more than just buying and selling goods on E-Bay. You can use them for employment contracts.

Wether or not you think its a good product is irrelevent. Double escrow needs to exist. The gap is now filled and you dont have to be a fan. There is more than enough people who love the projects. You are more than free to do as you wish.

Also your claim that arbiters are superior is only because you have yet to see a botnet generate a bunch of fake addresses and perform escrows with itself. Its way to easy too collude and get free coins with 2 of 3.

On what grounds could you possibly not like NightTrader? All the exchanges right now steal billions and im trying to put a stop to that. That is the opposite of a scam. My goal is to use multisig in an exchange and microtrading within Halo.

I'm going to make software regardless of whatever you say here.

[dzimbeck]

Oh yeah, I almost forgot how does an arbiter prove who is lying? Oh yeah thats right... they dont. 2 party escrow is a totally different paradigm without judges and jurors. But you know, if you love third parties so much then I recommend that you use the US Dollar.

Take care

[dzimbeck]

There is one last thing. You implicatoin that I somehow "know" that the owners of Bay had some back end deal it just totally ridiculous. I'm more than happy to send chat logs to this effect. If they did, I certainly would not be able to prove it. And also, at this juncture it really doesnt matter since my task now is to finish my job.

Your implication that I dont work hard is totally baseless. If you read blackcoin subreddit you would know ive been around for a long time and you would know how much I busted my ass to learn coding in -50 below weather in ND. Almost frikkin died I worked so hard.

I did it, because I believe in double escrow. I think its the only way to truly have trust between strangers regardless of the deposit levels agreed to. It had nothing to do with money. I turned down many 80K offers before selling to Bay. Dont believe me? Ask Blackcoin, ask blocktech.

The reason I took the deal with Bay was simply because I promised my family and close friends that I would no longer leave money on the table. So the Bay deal I took rather quickly. You are so quick to judge and yet you know nothing about me.

Also, you implications and hopes that I'm stuck in debt are borderline stalker-ish. Why dont you mind your own business. I've managed to pay my debts on time for years. Its really none of your business.

If the Bay guys did buy on the back end (which I cannot prove nor do i care), then I will simply peg the coin. So no matter what price they dump to, we will eventually have a solid price protecting the investors.

And IF you actually think only 100 BTC was raised that is not only delusional but stupid. What benefit then would it be for Bay to help set up and pay my dev team?

If you dont think my code was hard work I will show you 10,000 lines of code. Or perhaps you were hired to spread fud? If not, be a man. Prove it. Add me on Skype I will certainly discuss whatever you want.

Also your accusation that I copied NXT markets?! Where on earth do you get your theories??I didnt even know NXT had markets lol. And I've been talking about markets in Halo since May!

I didnt even know much about the parties I was working with until after the ICO was almost over. Thats only because I got lots of emails trying to guess who I was working with. And the thing is, I protect their privacy because I have yet to see any evidence that they did buy on the back. Perhaps I'm naive. But you know, I'm just trying to get software made to better the crypto space. To this date. Halo was the FIRST multicoin client. The FIRST multisignature client (May 29th). The FIRST smart contracting client etc. There is really no reason for me to come here and defend myself anyways. My work speaks for itself.

So it didnt make the price of BC move. Who cares? None of us sold our BC maybe somebody had 75% of the damn coins. Who the hell knows? The markets are so uncertain as it is, there is really absolutely no way to know why the price didnt reflect the tech. I love BC people Im trying my best to keep sending tech their way (for free I might add).

If price reflected value then our presidents would be living in the streets.

If what you say is true that people would prefer to use E-Bay then again I ask why you are in crypto in the first place. Comments like that reveal you have no interest in the liberating tech. Then just go use USD. Go trust main stream medicine. Go trust your media. (lol please do not trust your media... dont be a sheep)

Anyways, thats all I have left to say. 

[barabbas]

Oh Zimbeck, Zimbeck, Zimbeck... should I believe you are as naive as you pretend to be? I'm torn here: On one hand, you never finished high school; on the other, you played chess at the competition level and even got ranked... Torn, like I said. OK, I am going to give you, for now, the benefit of the doubt and will explain to you the obvious answer to your question And IF you actually think only 100 BTC was raised that is not only delusional but stupid. What benefit then would it be for Bay to help set up and pay my dev team?: Obviously because, for them, it is a win-win situation either way dear child. You see, if they collected only 100 BTC -and they probably collected more, significantly so, but not a lot more-, that means that they "bought" themselves roughly 2900 BTC of the crap. All those millions and millions of coins, they have been unloading since day one. Including today. And tomorrow. And 100 days from here. REGARDLESS OF THE PRICE. It is all gravy for them, dear Zimbeck, all gravy. When they get their final 33%, they would have gotten back everything they "paid", plus the 100 (that we agree is significantly more than 100) plus all the proceeds from all the sales of their millions of coins AND they will still have plenty millions of coins to unload, all for 100% profits since their only investment in this coin is whatever they are paying you. You got it now? I can dumb it down if you like or feel it is necessary.

The problem here is that, up until now, you have enthusiastically participated in this scam, Zimbeck. Facilitating it, in fact.  For, without you, there's no project. They bought YOU, not your Halo shit, YOU. Why did you accept to be presented as the LEAD DEVELOPER OF BITBAY? That's aiding and abetting, boy. It is in your (legal) interest to post, clearly, that you are just a coder hired to do a job, not the lead developer of the project. 99% oor more of the investors in BAY believe it is YOUR project. It isn't a job that you do, you are finished and bye bye. Not clarifying this, not just here but in their official thread and their website, IS aiding and abetting in which you by know highly suspect -if not know for sure- is an evident scam.

Your "faith" in your Halo and NT is both logical -since it is the only thing that is putting food on your table- and something completely detached from reality. As the price of BC since clearly indicates, there's no use case for any of it. Not now, not in the future. It is an exercise in absurdity seemingly designed to keep whichever crypto currency decides to incorporate it more inaccessible to the users, both initiated and non, both merchants and customers. As you probably know -or should- if you cannot explain, understandably, a project in 2 minutes or less, you don't have a project. pretending that DD escrow can be any solution -as opposite to a problem- is simply carrying blinders to reality. And THAT'S why it won't be ever used and that's why the BC price remains stagnant at all time lows.

Oh and Zimbeck don't flatter yourself... all I know about you is what I got in 5 minutes of Google research plus what you yourself posted regarding your debts. I would not dedicate more than 5 minutes to research you even though I am in your recent stomping grounds and could easily contact people that have interact with you. Not interested at all in anything you do... except when it can hurt people severely as it could through this scam. I havent called you up on Halo before because those who remain invested in BC at this stage fully deserve what they are getting for I uncovered long ago that scam and its particulars, which are posted here in BTCT in painful detail including exchanges with some of the main players, AND cannot be "reached", no matter the amount of evidence exposed, just like you are not going to concede the practical absurdity of your HALO. I'm just explaining to you why the price is what it is since I wouldn't waste my time trying to convince you that you are shooting blanks with it.

Finally, let me give you a small lesson in commerce, because you direly need it: For an exchange (of value, goods, services, whatever...) to be successful, there's only one thing required: TRUST. If the customer, user, recipient... is not as satisfied or close as satisfied, months, even years after he/she ordered the goods/values/services, then the enterprise will very quickly fail. That's why the most successful enterprises in the planet spend huge amounts of money in customer services, refunds and unloading "refurbished" goods. It is the cost of doing (good) business. If you don't have the margins to supports such enormous expenses, then  you don't have a business. Get it? This is not "I got you, go fuck yourself if you are not satisfied". It is just the opposite, in fact: It is my priority, as your vendor/provider that you are satisfied, enthusiastically, fully satisfied... so you will come for more. Again and again and again.

That is not to say there's no place for so called "smart contracts", there is. But not the kind of DD escrow. That is only on your mind Zimbeck, not in the real world... that has been conducting business, quite successfully, for thousands of years based on TRUST. The DD escrow, the entire Halo thing Zimbeck, is not progression but regression. And the price of BC reflects exactly that.

Have a good one and, if you have been really naive -that not honest, that train sailed-, go and post clearly what your job -and only job- is on BAY. In their official thread. In their official website. At least your personal credibility will be safeguarded when the shit hits the proverbial fan.

I'm going to remain quite skeptic about you being allowed to do just that, but I have been wrong before so, hopefully, I will be again this time around. Ball's on your court.

[dzimbeck]

You know the thing is, I believe in DD escrow. That was the reason I made it. I'm not the only one. Lots of people believe in it and there has been some contracts in Halo (we keep track of it). So although you are correct... ideally a society based on trust is a better one, we currently do not have a society based on trust. Simply turn on the news for a few minutes and listen to how corrupt and backwards society is.

I agree with you. There is definitely challenges in getting DD escrow to be used main stream. However, the same can be said for crypto.

Ive always been a fan of the old world and eye for an eye system. Regardless of its practicality because consumers want to feel comfortable, I'm going to try my best to make it a used tech. Even if you dont see or agree with its viability. I could of course name many situations where people save money using DD escrow by cutting out middle men and agents. If you buy a house this way I bet you could save 10%. You are saying to me there is nobody in the world who will want to use it to save money?

Where people can save money, there should be an opportunity for us. If not, I'm going to be proud of the software I made anyways since it was in fact difficult to make. There is lots of little thoughtful features that people will probably not notice or appreciate.

So as far as them putting my name to this. If you read the OP on BCT, they put me as lead dev before I had a chance to announce the news to BC. I was upset since the gossip spread so fast I didnt even have time to talk on my own behalf and so I had them change the post to say i was ONLY a project manager.

It was never my intention to be a lead dev of a coin that I myself didnt write from scratch. If you followed BC, you would know that and you would know that this action went way beyond what anyone expected from me.

After they had my name on it, and people kept asking questions on BCT and they only wanna talk to me, i felt like i didnt really have a choice.

So the only choice i had was to pass up the offer in the first place(and i didnt have a time machine). And I would had to consider that they would put my name all over it and that i would be forced to take on a larger role for them. At the time, I really had not considered it. To me, I was just cloning Halo for them and doing markets which i had planned all year anyways. At the time of negotiation my rationale was to "get paid doing what i was planning on doing anyways".

So, i accepted and now there has been some drama which i never ducked.

Instead of worrying about the past my only intention is to focus on the future. SO I'm just going to continue coding and try my best. Which is all anyone should expect. Im not going to spend my time worrying if they bought on the back end. If there is selling below ico, you may be right although i have no idea how you would expect me to provide evidence of that no matter how rational your argument. So now im going to simply have to walk forward and put one foot in front of the other.

[barabbas]

The extent of your responsibility is to make it official, quite simply. All anyone can ask from you, if what you just posted is the truth, is that you state clearly, for everyone to see, that you are a paid contractor hired to do a job, that you are no lead developer NOR project manager but just a contractor responsible ONLY for cloning Halo, build the markets and whatever else you have agreed to. That you know nothing whatsoever of any back end deal or any general direction of the coin nor any possible "connections with Alibaba". It is quite simple, really. Because, if you don't, you have already allowed "them" to build you up to the community as the lead developer and main if not only responsible for EVERYTHING in BITBAY.

It will also help a lot if you clarify the specifics of your agreement. You have already stated you were paid in BTC... only on BTC? no BAY at all? If any BAY, you should state how much and provide the wallet address also, if you want to really be in the clear.

So I'll keep waiting, giving you the benefit of the doubt, and holding a significant dose of skepticism. I hope you come forward and prove it unfounded.

Now, I know you "worked" in real estate -not exactly successfully I might add, but you got your $250 California license-, so you had to learn a couple things... would you tell me just how a DD or no DD smart contract would save anyone 10%? I hope you are not implying a full cash deal... so how exactly buying a $1 million home with 20% down and a Chase mortgage for the other $800,000 would present an opportunity for me to save 10% by using a smart contract? I can easily imagine the face of the Chase agent when I suggest such a thing, it would be worth the price of admission just to see that. Also, the smart contract could be used with fiat, I assume, because the face of the agent would turn purple, beside the expression, if I mention payment in anything but... I doubt you sold a single home during you real estate period, but you had to learn the process to get your license, so please illustrate me as what the practical use of smart contracts or Halo in particular would be in the above scenario.

[barabbas]

Get a room. You guys should get married. This is ridiculous.

You should ask for permission when talking to your elders... You are transparent, by the way, little puppet. The balloon is burst, in case you have not realized fully yet.

[barabbas]

[Jocuserious]

David, don't entertain this fool.

Not interested at all in anything you do... except when it can hurt people severely as it could through this scam.

You're missing the point.  David was commissioned to write code based on previous work (I'm a fan of Pirates, by the way, and was an extra on Fast & Furious Tokyo((flame me for that; I also extra'ed on an unreleased film starring the crazy guy from Back To The Future)).

I can half ass associate shite all day long.  I can also condescend. To wit,

Oh dear barabbas.  Oh, dear barabbas.  Does one have such a stake in another project that one needs to make an attempt to destroy the credibility of someone who does more work than you?  How was it that you were able to invest in what was considered a small project when 99.999% of the world failed to?  Does that make you special?  Was it god? Regardless, why is it that you have such a high pedestal?

Where is that indigence coming from? 

The fact is, smart contracts don't rely on DD escrow.  They are smart contracts for a reason in that they can be negotiated between parties.  Meaning there can be DD escrow or there can be .0001D escrow.  Or vice versa.

But you knew that, right?  You have experience with this sort of thing and aren't talking abstract out of your probably pristine arse, I would presume.

Let's assume for a second that you are right.  For games.

Because games are fun.

What if BitBay is a scam?

My first question is, "How do you know?"

If you knew, you wouldn't be wasting your time with holier than thou bullshit that fails to include all information.

My second question is, "How do you know?"

Where is your evidence, save from anecdotal and unassociated experience, that there is a scam going on?

My third question is, regarding this quote from you,
"So I'll keep waiting, giving you the benefit of the doubt, and holding a significant dose of skepticism",

Who the flark are you to bust balls and then say, "Maybe you're cool,"?

I got a million questions for you.  I also don't care. I think you are full of obfuscating shite.

You've already established per the above quotes that you are on the fence regarding your own accusations.  Bitch and moan all you want.  Give the man and the team the opportunity to do what they said.  Reconvene in February. Or not.

[qawzsx]

some bla bla

this useless maggot is still angry cause he lost money with BC ) a "strong hand" he was...
Go get a real job shit head

Don't you see already how pathetic and desperate you look trying so hard to get some attention. We get it, you are at that age, when you become desperate if you have not accomplished anything in your low life. We get it.

You leak frustration...

[dotcoin.info]

some bla bla

this useless maggot is still angry cause he lost money with BC ) a "strong hand" he was...
Go get a real job shit head

Don't you see already how pathetic and desperate you look trying so hard to get some attention. We get it, you are at that age, when you become desperate if you have not accomplished anything in your low life. We get it.

You leak frustration...

you paid shitbay ass licker. you are the most pathetic to support the unadulterated scam.

your reasoning or lies only show Shitbay's poorly designed scheme, which is drawing only 5-10 btc from market with you rats' free tokens.  your "hero" dev destroyed his "fame" once for all.

[illodin]

Barabbas' strategy is to attack every project saying they are a scam.

And when he eventually sometimes gets it right, he can say told you so. When he doesn't, he just quietly goes away.

[dzimbeck]

The extent of your responsibility is to make it official, quite simply. All anyone can ask from you, if what you just posted is the truth, is that you state clearly, for everyone to see, that you are a paid contractor hired to do a job, that you are no lead developer NOR project manager but just a contractor responsible ONLY for cloning Halo, build the markets and whatever else you have agreed to. That you know nothing whatsoever of any back end deal or any general direction of the coin nor any possible "connections with Alibaba". It is quite simple, really. Because, if you don't, you have already allowed "them" to build you up to the community as the lead developer and main if not only responsible for EVERYTHING in BITBAY.

It will also help a lot if you clarify the specifics of your agreement. You have already stated you were paid in BTC... only on BTC? no BAY at all? If any BAY, you should state how much and provide the wallet address also, if you want to really be in the clear.

So I'll keep waiting, giving you the benefit of the doubt, and holding a significant dose of skepticism. I hope you come forward and prove it unfounded.

Now, I know you "worked" in real estate -not exactly successfully I might add, but you got your $250 California license-, so you had to learn a couple things... would you tell me just how a DD or no DD smart contract would save anyone 10%? I hope you are not implying a full cash deal... so how exactly buying a $1 million home with 20% down and a Chase mortgage for the other $800,000 would present an opportunity for me to save 10% by using a smart contract? I can easily imagine the face of the Chase agent when I suggest such a thing, it would be worth the price of admission just to see that. Also, the smart contract could be used with fiat, I assume, because the face of the agent would turn purple, beside the expression, if I mention payment in anything but... I doubt you sold a single home during you real estate period, but you had to learn the process to get your license, so please illustrate me as what the practical use of smart contracts or Halo in particular would be in the above scenario.

What do you mean not successfully? That is a matter of opinion. Every deal I started, I closed and that was DURING the collapse. I closed 2 deals total and if you know anything about real estate it has a 90% drop out rate. Why do you continue with these weak attempts to berate me?

Regardless, this double escrow would be more ideal with large cash buyers in the 100-200K range or perhaps with lower value real estate such as in Chicago. You simply do double escrow with no agent or escrow. You just record the title notarize any necessary docs and you are done. No fees paid.

[DiCE1904]

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[GrandpasNaked]

The lot of them is simply riotous. Beyond hilarious. Just check them for yourself, worth it for the laughs.

But at the key point in them, here's one of the best "pearls":

Q: Are there any mechanisms to rid the BitBay marketplace of things like guns, abusive pornagraphy, hitmen, etc?

A: Those things will not be possible in the main markets even though they are in fact decentralized. This is for two reasons. First in order to get into a white listed market, you need to prove your worth by doing deals in the Halo market. Next, once in the decentralized market, special moderator versions of Halo will be given out to help oversee what is seen in a decentralized market. Users can also flag posts and when a certain number of flags is reached, the orders become invisible. Whitelists allow for trust systems. So anyone running a decentralized market has total control over who is able to post to it.

Just read that answer slowly and carefully, ok? This is a decentralized series of markets but you, somehow, have to prove "your worth" to access the big leagues, but playing first in the small ones. Fair enough, so you sell your collection of stamps and your used DVDs first and once qualified, you go into the big leagues where you sell dolls (full of cocaine) that ship from Colombia. Or Thailand... ah, but no, there's that omnipresent "Halo special moderator" that "oversees" somehow what is seen in "a decentralized market". So the market is not that decentralized after all. Oh but that "Halo special moderator" is just a bunch of keywords, so no real moderator at all: You can write anything you want -or post any pictures you want- except that you have to watch you avoid the keywords that would alert the "special moderator", and you are in business... And since Law enforcement is completely stupid, even retarded, they won't be able to tell what you are selling either. And even is they find out, they wont be able to come after you because, after all, you are selling in a decentralized market, right? So when they purchase your dolls and trace their origin, you would send them to a jungle in the Amazon instead the shipment addresses in Colombia or Thailand. Or the UPC or mail office closest where they will be waiting for you when they order the next shipment... yeah, quite clever indeed Zimbeck... oh boy... It can and will apply to things much more "innocent" too, such as the pirated versions of "Fury" or "The Godfather" too, not to mention the discography of Taylor Swift of the latest version of Halo (pun fully intended) for Playstation 5.

But besides the obvious, this whole idea of a "decentralized marketplace" is so beyond absurd that it really is amazing it will still have some sale (pun again!) value: Much like on eBay, buyers and sellers will be "rated", therefore left at the whim of competitors -legit and non- or simply "demanding" customers/sellers for their listings will disappear if a "certain number of flags is reached". Manipulating those numbers of flags cannot be easier and poof, competitoir out of the way. Or otherwise valid consumer, out of the way because... well, he used the handle "barabbas" to purchase a couple of things and he maybe you know, that guy on BTCT...

Finally, So anyone running a decentralized market has total control over who is able to post to it. Now I am REALLY confused... I thought this was totally DECENTRALIZED so the whole point was that NOBODY was "running a decentralized market"... what's that you said, ITS TOTAL BULLSHIT created only to get [people to at least hold their coins without provoking a major stampede before they collect the payments held by BTER that they posted to themselves in exchange for the coins they are orderly unloading since the coin came online at the exchanges? That makes sense. ONLY that makes sense.

David, do I take that your debts will be fully cancelled and you'll be on the clear as of December 5th or shortly thereafter, or are you "tied up" until the full delivery, somewhere in March or so... I hope, for once, you were clever enough to get ouit of them on the 5th, otherwise it is going to be a long winter of your discontent.

Which is what usually happens when, instead of working, you choose to try to scam people, you know?

LMAO dude relax... Stop being a hater and go do your own thing "Barabbas"... You stalk people much? Creepy.. At least David is applying his mind to crypto and bitcoin and not sitting around talking shit online from his Mom's basement lmao

[Baghead]

LMAO dude relax... Stop being a hater and go do your own thing "Barabbas"... You stalk people much? Creepy.. At least David is applying his mind to crypto and bitcoin and not sitting around talking shit online from his Mom's basement lmao

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You couldn’t have got it more right, creepy stalking 'Barabbas' spending his life in the basement with the roaches as friends, wishing he could create more than a simple minded thread, oh oh dear mrs Barabbas you have been outed, BTW when was the last time you got outside?

Get some fresh air and remember karma will catch you in the end young lady....