no charges for cop who killed man with choke hold

So what you are saying is choking someone has no affect on their ability to respirate and deliver oxygen to the brain?

He was choked for only 10 seconds. I guarantee most people can hold their breath for 10 seconds and not die or go into a coma...

This shows your lack of understanding of human anatomy. A headlock usually cuts off the oxygen supply to the brain by stopping the blood flow DIRECTLY in the neck. Holding ones breath you still have all the oxygen in your lungs and in your blood flowing to the brain. Not the same thing AT ALL.

Regardless most healthy human beings can survive a lenghty period of time in a chokehold, it wouldn't be taught as a basic martial arts or police maneuver all around the world if the expected outcome was death. And the chokehold applied to Garner was very brief and from the looks of it not very tight either. I'm just contending it's not murder because a normal healthy human being would not have been killed by this.

He has a uniform and is a good nazi. The victim is to blame.

Right, I'm a Nazi. Roll Eyes

Trust me if there was a national mission by the police to murder young black men there would be alot more deaths.

Why didn't those racist kkk police in Ferguson kill any looters?

Quote from: solid12345 on December 04, 2014, 02:52:23 AM

Right, I'm a Nazi.

not you stupid, the police.

the real issue is not about killing any specific group or even this specific man. it's about cops killing and assaulting citizens with immunity. everybody is a potential target.

they even shot this little dog. they were in full riot gear with assault rifles and they said this little dog a threat. what's even more fucked up is they shot the dog as it turned around and was heading back in the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgJS8jMwlqo

Here is where the theory about the chokehold killing him falls apart.

If he was truly in a chokehold where his air supply was cut off...he wouldn't be able to speak while the police had his arm around his neck. At most he'd be able to make grunting and wheezing sounds and would be half asleep in such a state. If he can say multiple times "I can't breathe" then clearly he is breathing, even if it is panicked and short breaths.

It was the combination of police piling on him and probably the anxiety of wrestling around with them in his asthmatic state that drove his heart rate up and killed him, not the choke hold. Can you make a case that 6 police to arrest a guy for selling cigarettes is excessive? Sure, but to pin it on one cop as all his fault and label him a murderer, no.

Quote from: WEB slicer on December 03, 2014, 07:55:31 PM

this man lost his life for selling loose cigarettes. it is illegal for officers to use a choke hold as a method to restrain citizens

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/justice/new-york-grand-jury-chokehold/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

If its not one cop abusing their power its another
Geez the police in the United States are militarized these days, on the other hand well at least he didn't shoot him this time got his hands dirty.
That said it was a minor crime the police need to pay.

Quote from: solid12345 on December 04, 2014, 03:41:23 AM

i'm a fit man in his prime with no real health problems. but i do have occasional asthma problems. usually in the summer when it's hot and there is lots of pollen in the air. sometimes i have a hard time breathing for no reason. i just wake up with it. and let me tell you it sucks when you can't get a full breath. if somebody put me in a choke hold when having an asthma attack that can be deadly. so it's perfectly reasonable to see how this man died with an arm around his throat his face in the pavement and a bunch of cops on his back. choke holds are dangerous. that's why it's against police policy. this man was fine until they attacked him. it was their actions that killed him. that cop is partially responsible for his death. manslaughter is appropriate since it was an accident and using a choke hold is against police policy.

Quote from: solid12345 on December 04, 2014, 12:41:14 AM

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The same goes for this case, the police were no more "wild" with him than they could be with any other suspect but because the man was obese and probably near death as it is, it's a bit drastic to charge with murder because a normal healthy human being would have gotten up and dusted themselves off. Is it the job of the police now to evaluate a perpetrator's health before they decide to take action?

That always has been part of the job of the police.

That's the very reason that tasers shouldn't be used on the elderly.

It makes no difference to me if the cops subdue an individual in 10 minutes or 10 seconds, but if 10 seconds creates risk to life it certainly isn't advisable.

Cops are violent people.

Cops answer to no one and can do what they please.

Rape, Murder, Torture whatever they feel like.... your constitution was created for a reason.. however there are too many sheep now that support mass rape, murder and torture so... things will not end well.

Rob Hustle - This is what happens when you call the cops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlY9C6pzxKc

Quote from: solid12345 on December 04, 2014, 12:57:52 AM

I'm just contending it's not murder because a normal healthy human being would not have been killed by this.

It doesn't matter what happens normally, it matters what actually happened this time. If I go fire a bullet into the air, 999 out of 1000 times it's not going to hit anyone when it falls back to the ground. That doesn't make it not manslaughter the 1 time it does hit and kill someone, even though that's not normal.

Quote from: WEB slicer on December 04, 2014, 03:54:08 AM

Quote from: solid12345 on December 04, 2014, 03:41:23 AM

..... this man was fine until they attacked him. it was their actions that killed him. that cop is partially responsible for his death. manslaughter is appropriate since it was an accident and using a choke hold is against police policy.

Agreed. Charge him with manslaughter. He was abusive and violent, resulting in the death of suspect. But he didn't intend to kill him.

I'm not a fan of Bill Maher, but I did appreciate this sentiment:

Well we see police violence everyday now thanks to the internet, it's not like before it wasn't there, there wasn't just so much cameras around to tape everything. Sometimes it may be justified, but when it's not don't think whoever beated the crap out of you will be punished. The only thing you can do is either stay out of trouble or submit instantly without even discussing.

the music video and story about the man getting arrested for filming was good.

Quote from: spazzdla on December 04, 2014, 01:43:38 PM

Yes, let's generalize all cops as being violent people based on the actions of a few. Cool story bro. Newsflash! Not all cops are violent rapists/murderers/torturers. There are actually quite a few I'm sure that are good people who generally care about other human beings.

I agree that his death was caused by several factors including his poor health (which was his own doing for being morbidly obese) and his own decision to resist arrest. He was being accused of selling loose cigarettes, which, apparently in ultra-liberal New York City, is a crime. It was also stated that he had a rather lengthy rap sheet with 46 charges.

While I do agree that any death that could have otherwise been avoided is a tragedy, to overlook the above stated facts and jump straight to condemnation of the cop who was doing his job of enforcing the law and clearly showed no intent to murder the man is just plain silly.

i love how cop lovers always mention the victims criminal history. newsflash! it doesn't matter what happened in the past. that's just a tactic to distract and discredit. smoke and mirrors / character assassination to justify the actions of the police.

Quote from: WEB slicer on December 04, 2014, 05:37:00 PM

i love how cop lovers always mention the victims criminal history. newsflash! it doesn't matter what happened in the past. that's just a tactic to distract from the issue of violent cops.

I just love how cop haters like to generalize all cops as being corrupt.
So are we to just ignore the fact that he was a career
Criminal who would likely be alive right now had he just
Obeyed the law?