BitForce SC - release notes

[nedbert9]

We've been working with Bit-Pay for a BTC exclusive order form.  This is meant to both promote the good services of Bit-Pay and give dedicated miners a bit of an advantage in getting in position.  We'll have that posted later tonight.  Alternate payment methods of Dwolla and BankWire will come shortly thereafter.

Please help...   We're respectful of the significance of order position, but we can't think of any good way to organize it other than opening it up to orders and letting it go as it may.

Another alternative is to go odd / even.   Odd being consecutive down the priority list and even being a random selection from orders that month.  

Any thoughts on this?

BFL, I appreciate the sensitivity to the issue of order position.

Right off the bat I will assume that the logistics of storing inventory to be released in few, but large quantities will be difficult.

What I, and many worry about, is either the slow, steady flow or the incremental, but frequent flow approaches.  To what degree those on the end of the trade-in list get burned is, I suppose, based on your output velocity.

[ice_chill]

First come first serve is how it's always done .. why change it ?

Why should someone who paid 2 months ago receive later than someone who paid last week ?

Lets not turn business into gameshow.

[ice_chill]

orders should go as Odd being the order as they come...

you will have a handful of random ppl doing trade-ins and full orders... so it's only right...


one thing would be nice to Limit the amount per order, per month.

so... if your pre-ordering, or trade-in...

10-20 jalapenos limit for first order for that month
5-10 SC single limit for first order for that month
1 rig limit for first order for that month...


that way it provides a balance of orders that go out to a variety more of consumers, rather then if someone has 20-30 singles ordered... well there's a problem...

just like most retailers, manufacturers, etc... would do for something in demand... put a limit on it to create some balance of fairness to other consumers down the line...

This will only work if you have no friends, I have friends all around England and France, I can get them to order on my behalf and pay them.

This just will not work.

[smracer]

BFL:  Will you allow customer pickup's for the ASIC's?  I will seriously drive up there to pick them up.  It will save you shipping and I will get to mine a few days earlier.

[Definit]

orders should go as Odd being the order as they come...

you will have a handful of random ppl doing trade-ins and full orders... so it's only right...


one thing would be nice to Limit the amount per order, per month.

so... if your pre-ordering, or trade-in...

10-20 jalapenos limit for first order for that month
5-10 SC single limit for first order for that month
1 rig limit for first order for that month...


that way it provides a balance of orders that go out to a variety more of consumers, rather then if someone has 20-30 singles ordered... well there's a problem...

just like most retailers, manufacturers, etc... would do for something in demand... put a limit on it to create some balance of fairness to other consumers down the line...

This will only work if you have no friends, I have friends all around England and France, I can get them to order on my behalf and pay them.

This just will not work.

true indeed.

but you included the word Friends... which im betting theres about a 90% chance it will work then. lol

[allten]

First come first serve is how it's always done .. why change it ?

Why should someone who paid 2 months ago receive later than someone who paid last week ?

Lets not turn business into gameshow.

Let's say they get a queue of 2000 thousand orders in one hour. Extreme probably, but who knows.
and then let's say they can only deliver 200 a week for the next 10 weeks.

See the problem now?

[allten]

One idea I had was for each jalepeno that comes off the assembly line. goes directly to a mining pool ( I know you don't mine, but maybe you could team up with somebody who does). Each preorder would have a share into that pool. Once there's enough hardware to satisfy all the orders....boom! you ship 'em all out.

[ice_chill]

First come first serve is how it's always done .. why change it ?

Why should someone who paid 2 months ago receive later than someone who paid last week ?

Lets not turn business into gameshow.

Let's say they get a queue of 2000 thousand orders in one hour. Extreme probably, but who knows.
and then let's say they can only deliver 200 a week for the next 10 weeks.

See the problem now?

As far as I know they queue them up based on date and not hours, so the 2000 order that comes on day 1 will be shipped randomly, once they are all shipped, orders from day 2 will take over.

[Tachikoma]

We've been working with Bit-Pay for a BTC exclusive order form.  This is meant to both promote the good services of Bit-Pay and give dedicated miners a bit of an advantage in getting in position.  We'll have that posted later tonight.

Does this mean you will start the pre-orders tonight?

[Gomeler]

One idea I had was for each jalepeno that comes off the assembly line. goes directly to a mining pool ( I know you don't mine, but maybe you could team up with somebody who does). Each preorder would have a share into that pool. Once there's enough hardware to satisfy all the orders....boom! you ship 'em all out.

Bad idea.. I wouldn't want BFL distracted with powering and housing a farm of boxes. Receive parts, assemble, burn test for a day or two, ship. Their performance with the Single and their horrific PR hopefully are due to being overloaded so don't even consider pulling more time off to manage some sort of group hardware sharing thing.

[SgtSpike]

I think first come, first serve should be the method of madness.  However, anyone who currently has a prior-gen single on order and wants to upgrade the order to SC should be shipped to first.  Seems only fair, since they put down the money earlier.

[rjk]

All the profit come from new customers without trades.

If you or anyone else actually believes that I have bridge in Brooklyn going real cheap..

Put on your reading glasses and stop misquoting me. I said that was my best guess, not that I believed any such thing. Since you seem to have inside information, would you care to share any more with us? Preferably in sentences that could be read easily, utilizing useful things such as punctuation.

[coblee]

How much power do these SC devices use?

[nedbert9]

I think first come, first serve should be the method of madness.  However, anyone who currently has a prior-gen single on order and wants to upgrade the order to SC should be shipped to first.  Seems only fair, since they put down the money earlier.

That would be an interesting idea.  Would mess with their single projections.

[Tachikoma]

How much power do these SC devices use?

I don't think there is any info about that yet, just that the Jalapeno is powered via USB so that's like 5V ?

[rjk]

How much power do these SC devices use?

I don't think there is any info about that yet, just that the Jalapeno is powered via USB so that's like 5V ?

Quoting from Wikipedia in regards to USB power limits:

The USB 1.x and 2.0 specifications provide a 5 V supply on a single wire from which connected USB devices may draw power. The specification provides for no more than 5.25 V and no less than 4.75 V (5 V±5%) between the positive and negative bus power lines. For USB 3.0, the voltage supplied by low-powered hub ports is 4.45–5.25 V.

A unit load is defined as 100 mA in USB 2.0, and 150 mA in USB 3.0. A device may draw a maximum of 5 unit loads (500 mA) from a port in USB 2.0; 6 (900 mA) in USB 3.0. There are two types of devices: low-power and high-power. A low-power device draws at most 1 unit load, with minimum operating voltage of 4.4 V in USB 2.0, and 4 V in USB 3.0. A high-power device draws the maximum number of unit loads permitted by the standard. Every device functions initially as low-power but the device may request high-power and will get it if the power is available on the providing bus.

[DILLIGAF]

How much power do these SC devices use?

I don't think there is any info about that yet, just that the Jalapeno is powered via USB so that's like 5V ?

Quoting from Wikipedia in regards to USB power limits:

The USB 1.x and 2.0 specifications provide a 5 V supply on a single wire from which connected USB devices may draw power. The specification provides for no more than 5.25 V and no less than 4.75 V (5 V±5%) between the positive and negative bus power lines. For USB 3.0, the voltage supplied by low-powered hub ports is 4.45–5.25 V.

A unit load is defined as 100 mA in USB 2.0, and 150 mA in USB 3.0. A device may draw a maximum of 5 unit loads (500 mA) from a port in USB 2.0; 6 (900 mA) in USB 3.0. There are two types of devices: low-power and high-power. A low-power device draws at most 1 unit load, with minimum operating voltage of 4.4 V in USB 2.0, and 4 V in USB 3.0. A high-power device draws the maximum number of unit loads permitted by the standard. Every device functions initially as low-power but the device may request high-power and will get it if the power is available on the providing bus.

So 2.5w for 3.5gh/s maximum if usb 2.0 device, if usb 3.0 device then 4.5w maximum.

[wknight]

Any thoughts on this?

Why wouldn't you allow your current customers first rights to trading in their orders? They are the ones that have believed in your product and have already worked with you with possible long wait times for the product. I think this is a great way to show your appreciation to your current customer database and a big thank you for believing in your product.

[allten]

One idea I had was for each jalepeno that comes off the assembly line. goes directly to a mining pool ( I know you don't mine, but maybe you could team up with somebody who does). Each preorder would have a share into that pool. Once there's enough hardware to satisfy all the orders....boom! you ship 'em all out.

Bad idea.. I wouldn't want BFL distracted with powering and housing a farm of boxes. Receive parts, assemble, burn test for a day or two, ship. Their performance with the Single and their horrific PR hopefully are due to being overloaded so don't even consider pulling more time off to manage some sort of group hardware sharing thing.

I thought it was a great idea.
wasn't' their a trusted member from the community that visited BFL from time to time that could manage the pool.

The idea was they had someone else run the pool so no interruption.

[ice_chill]

Any thoughts on this?

Why wouldn't you allow your current customers first rights to trading in their orders? They are the ones that have believed in your product and have already worked with you with possible long wait times for the product. I think this is a great way to show your appreciation to your current customer database and a big thank you for believing in your product.

The current customers enjoy mining on current equipment, while a new customer gives money upfront and gets nothing for the wait.
It should just be first come first serve, otherwise it will turn into a Soap Opera.