Questions for CanaryInTheMine

[hilariousandco]

I think some people are confusing the Trust list with a Trust feedback rating.

If the trust list is used as leverage to force someone to change a trust rating against their will, is there a difference?

The irony. You ab/used the feedback system this way by leaving negative feedback in an attempt to get someone to remove theirs against you and leave you alone. It seems you don't mind abusing it so long as it's not done to you.

[funtotry]

I think some people are confusing the Trust list with a Trust feedback rating.

I think they are referring to him adding so many people into his trust list (giving them depth 2 default trust). Not so much his feedback left for trades and group buys. Personally I trust him, but he does add by far the most people into lvl 2 trust.

Tomato is referring to Canary adding many people to his trust list when it would really only be appropriate to leave positive trust feedback.

I have previously thought he is trustworthy but no longer do so after what has been uncovered in the 3 threads about him that are currently active in meta.   

[TECSHARE]

I think some people are confusing the Trust list with a Trust feedback rating.

If the trust list is used as leverage to force someone to change a trust rating against their will, is there a difference?

The irony. You ab/used the feedback system this way by leaving negative feedback in an attempt to get someone to remove theirs against you and leave you alone. It seems you don't mind abusing it so long as it's not done to you.

There is no irony, only hypocrisy from the staff  protecting the only thing they are concerned about, their paycheck. If you didn't involve yourself he would have ceased his abuse and I would have deleted my negative. You gave him the impression you would some how remove my trust rating so he had ZERO INCENTIVE to set things right because he thought he was getting what he wanted any way. Now he is stuck red, and I am off the default trust list all because disinterested 3rd parties decided that my work is some how attributable to them and they can take it away as if they granted it. The ONLY PURPOSE of the default trust for those on paid staff, is to keep their paychecks coming. Users having a fair place to leave ratings for abusive individuals is a long second, and why the staff should NOT have the power to moderate trust IN ANY WAY.

They too have financial interests here, and if any person threatens their financial interests here they can use the ENTIRE TRUST SYSTEM to punish opponents or competitors. Tell me some more about how my single negative trust rating left for harassment some how negates my contribution to this community over 3 years. Furthermore users like Canary and VOD are given a free pass to whore out and abuse the trust system as they please because they were put there by STAFF, and they obey commands from their dictator Theymos & company. This isn't a distributed trust system, it is a TRUST DICTATORSHIP, and you follow the commands of the glorious leader, or you are out. It has nothing to do with reputability and everything to do with protecting the personal financial interests of the staff & friends. You accuse me of abusing the trust system for leaving one negative against someone who repeatedly harassed and slandered me, yet you see no problem at all with using the ENTIRE TRUST SYSTEM ITSELF as a cudgel against honest traders to force them to obey your dictates. Please excuse me if your sense of humor is lost on me.

[hilariousandco]

There is no irony, only hypocrisy from the staff  protecting the only thing they are concerned about, their paycheck. If you did't involve yourself he would have ceased his abuse and I would have deleted my negative. You gave him the impression you would some how remove my trust rating so he had ZERO INCENTIVE to set things right because he thought he was getting what he wanted any way. Now he is stuck read and I am off the default trust list all because disinterested 3rd parties decided that my work is some how attributable to them and they can take it away as if they granted it. The ONLY PURPOSE of the default trust for those on paid staff, is to keep their paychecks coming. Users having a fair place to leave ratings for abusive individuals is a long second, and why the staff should NOT have the power to moderate trust IN ANY WAY.

They too have financial interests here, and if any person threatens their financial interests here they can use the ENTIRE TRUST SYSTEM to punish opponents or competitors. Tell me some more about how my single negative trust rating left for harassment some how negates my contribution to this community over 3 years. Furthermore users like Canary and VOD are given a free pass to whore out and abuse the trust system as they please because they were put there by STAFF, and they obey commands from their dictator Theymos & company. This isn't a distributed trust system, it is a TRUST DICTATORSHIP, and you follow the commands of the glorious leader, or you are out. It has nothing to do with reputability and everything to do with protecting the personal financial interests of the staff & friends. You accuse me of abusing the trust system for leaving one negative against someone who repeatedly harassed and slandered me, yet you see no problem at all with using the ENTIRE TRUST SYSTEM ITSELF as a cudgel against honest traders to force them to obey your dictates. Please excuse me if your sense of humor is lost on me.

Yawn more irony and hypocrisy. I'm tired of your whining and responding to the same old tired bs. The biggest hypocrisy here is from you and you were fine abusing the system when it suited you but are now just inventing up conspiracy to suit your argument like every child who gets told off here for something that is their own wrongdoing. You abused the system to get your own way on your own terms. How did removing you from the trust protect the staff or their financial interests? It seems you were trying to protect yours by the abuse.



I suggest you use some of that and get over it.

[onewiseguy]

if someone on my list abuses the trust let me know and it will be handled appropriately.  several instances have been already dealt with before and if necessary they can be dealt with in the future...

the larger the trusted list is the more effective it is in producing correct feedback to root out scams on the forums.

a small trust list is useless in catching and stopping scams.

scammers of all kinds have been pissed lately because their scams are stopped quickly by vigilant members of the forums,  their objective is to eliminate obstacles to their scamming... if they can reduce the default trust list, they will only increase their scams.

sent you a pm

[dogie]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=904408.0 Probably another case to review

[TECSHARE]

There is no irony, only hypocrisy from the staff  protecting the only thing they are concerned about, their paycheck. If you did't involve yourself he would have ceased his abuse and I would have deleted my negative. You gave him the impression you would some how remove my trust rating so he had ZERO INCENTIVE to set things right because he thought he was getting what he wanted any way. Now he is stuck read and I am off the default trust list all because disinterested 3rd parties decided that my work is some how attributable to them and they can take it away as if they granted it. The ONLY PURPOSE of the default trust for those on paid staff, is to keep their paychecks coming. Users having a fair place to leave ratings for abusive individuals is a long second, and why the staff should NOT have the power to moderate trust IN ANY WAY.

They too have financial interests here, and if any person threatens their financial interests here they can use the ENTIRE TRUST SYSTEM to punish opponents or competitors. Tell me some more about how my single negative trust rating left for harassment some how negates my contribution to this community over 3 years. Furthermore users like Canary and VOD are given a free pass to whore out and abuse the trust system as they please because they were put there by STAFF, and they obey commands from their dictator Theymos & company. This isn't a distributed trust system, it is a TRUST DICTATORSHIP, and you follow the commands of the glorious leader, or you are out. It has nothing to do with reputability and everything to do with protecting the personal financial interests of the staff & friends. You accuse me of abusing the trust system for leaving one negative against someone who repeatedly harassed and slandered me, yet you see no problem at all with using the ENTIRE TRUST SYSTEM ITSELF as a cudgel against honest traders to force them to obey your dictates. Please excuse me if your sense of humor is lost on me.

Yawn more irony and hypocrisy. I'm tired of your whining and responding to the same old tired bs. The biggest hypocrisy here is from you and you were fine abusing the system when it suited you but are now just inventing up conspiracy to suit your argument like every child who gets told off here for something that is their own wrongdoing. You abused the system to get your own way on your own terms. How did removing you from the trust protect the staff or their financial interests? It seems you were trying to protect yours by the abuse.

A very professional response from the staff as usual. No one is forcing you to read my posts, you do an awful lot of crying about my posts for someone accusing me of being butthurt. I already explained how throwing me under a bus while allowing others to actually abuse the system heavily benefits staff. It draws attention away from the fact that this enforcement is for some users but not others and makes it appear as if you actually enforce these standards when enforcement is selective at best, all the while protecting your paychecks. You can make all the personal attacks against me you like, all it will do is demonstrate your lack of restraint and self control. You can call what I did an "abuse" all day, but I never tried to obfuscate what I did, and frankly I probably would have been better off lying to your faces and saying I thought Armis was a scammer, because that seems to be your only standard. I guess that is my fault for expecting a reasonable response from staff to a single complaint over 3 years while other users on the default trust have vast collections of complaints that go ignored by staff.

[Argwai96]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=904408.0 Probably another case to review

Probably another example as to why Canary should prune his trust list. There is no reason for someone to be on default trust list if they at least at one point have been an active trader and/or have called out a lot of scams

[jeffersonairplane]

if nothing else changes then I think Canary should at least take the time to prune his trust list. I am sure he is a busy guy and with so many people under his trust list, he does not have the time to keep tabs on each and every one. There are definitely a good number of people under Canary's trust list who should not be deemed "trustworthy" anymore. Pruning the trust list of members gone bad is the least Canary can do for the community. I have no further comment on anything else that has taken place on this thread other than the fact that the points brought up about the trust system is /slightly/ flawed.

[onewiseguy]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=904408.0 Probably another case to review

would be great if some one did something about this.

[peligro]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=904408.0 Probably another case to review

would be great if some one did something about this.

The holiday period is over so there should be some solution now.

CanaryInTheMine has a lot of complaints and I am surprised he is still on the depth 1. He has also shown earlier that in the Mabsark case that he is willing to remove others from his trust list if he feels that is bringing his place in the list in question.

[dogie]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=904408.0 Probably another case to review

would be great if some one did something about this.

The holiday period is over so there should be some solution now.

CanaryInTheMine has a lot of complaints and I am surprised he is still on the depth 1. He has also shown earlier that in the Mabsark case that he is willing to remove others from his trust list if he feels that is bringing his place in the list in question.

Just for the record, I was just cross posting the threads because it seemed relavent to the discussion and hadn't been mentioned. I don't hold a position on that particular case (I haven't read it properly).

[MadZ]

Seems like philipma1957 has done the same thing.

46 trusted feedback, 3 untrusted feedback, give me a break 

[hilariousandco]

Seems like philipma1957 has done the same thing.

46 trusted feedback, 3 untrusted feedback, give me a break  

So he's basically just added (nearly) everyone who gave him positive or are they on other people's trust? Where is the trust tree where you can see who has added who to their list? Doesn't seem to be linked anymore. 

[MadZ]

Seems like philipma1957 has done the same thing.

46 trusted feedback, 3 untrusted feedback, give me a break  

So he's basically just added (nearly) everyone who gave him positive or are they on other people's trust? Where is the trust tree where you can see who has added who to their list? Doesn't seem to be linked anymore. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full

  philipma1957
        dentldir
        CrazyGuy
        Unacceptable
        kano
        champbronc2
        Cablez
        davecoin
        RicRock
        Delarock
        iluvpcs
        crashoveride54902
        Stunna
        lazlopanaflex
        ssinc
        razorfishsl
        btceic
        Swimmer63
        buysolar
        SilentSonicBoom
        TookDk
        jc328
        Chris_Sabian
        DefaultTrust
        klintay
        stex2009
        Beastlymac
        boldar
        de_ixie
        Stratobitz
        EvilPanda
        Blazedout419
        btcxcg
        bronxnua
        DyslexicZombei
        tripppn
        xZork
        crocko
        mchu168
        itsrealfast
        Albertdroid
        MoreBloodWine
        BITMAIN
        CoinGeneral
        dance191
        RitzGrandCasino
        crowetic
        dyland
        pcfli
        Diddyu
        Zoomhash_michael
        RockDaddy
        SDRebel
        MunkeySpaz
        Xtra7973

He added them to his list.

[hilariousandco]

This sort of behaviour is clear abuse of the system in my opinion. This is no different than buying trust, except you're just abusing your position to get it for free. I noticed mine and Stunna's feedback went up today even though we had no new feedback so I guess this is the reason why. Does anyone know when philipma was added and all these people were added to his list?

[Muhammed Zakir]

This sort of behaviour is clear abuse of the system in my opinion. This is no different than buying trust, except you're just abusing your position to get it for free. I noticed mine and Stunna's feedback went up today even though we had no new feedback so I guess this is the reason why. Does anyone know when philipma was added and all these people were added to his list?

He was added by CanaryInTheMine, I think that's why, Madz posted here about this issue.

P.S. Sorry, he was added by DefaultTrust too. I think theymos/badbear can resolve this. But he would still be in trust depth 2.

CanaryInTheMine
        theymos
        Gavin Andresen
        jgarzik
        Luke-Jr
        Miner-TE
        eleuthria
        luv2drnkbr
        Digigami
        gmaxwell
        E
        zapeta
        bitpop
        SebastianJu
        ipxtreme
        Philj
        os2sam
        yxt
        knybe
        conv3rsion
        bitcoin-rigs.com
        Vod
        dtmcnamara
        John (John K.)
        notme
        Mushroomized
        greeners
        dribbits
        echris1
        SaltySpitoon
        bitcoiner49er
        BadBear
        freshzive
        arklan
        glendall
        Pistachio
        tarrant_01
        tbcoin
        ElideN
        friedcat
        TheJuice
        Bees Brothers
        Christoban
        Stale
        af_newbie
        eroxors
        camolist
        MrTeal
        cncguru
        Mendacium
        PsychoticBoy
        Dabs
        mem
        Namworld
        lky_svn
        420
        mr2dave
        DobZombie
        Adrian-x
        gektek
        johnny5
        dyingdreams
        Zillions
        phrog
        Domrada
        Mapuo
        philipma1957
        jborkl
        RicRock
        jmutch
        MonocleMan
        b!z
        CoinHoarder
        absinth
        mitty
        (^_^)
        soy
        super3
        iluvpcs
        batt01
        xstr8guy
        MJGrae
        mobile
        nubbins
        ThickAsThieves
        hephaist0s
        BitcoinValet
        Timzim103
        Rounder
        Nemo1024
        TheXev
        ibminer
        Mooshire
        Benny1985
        mrbrt
        hanti
        ssinc
        Kaega
        finlof
        elchorizo
        fewerlaws
        bitterdog
        Swimmer63
        locksmith9
        Krellan
        Spendulus
        MikeMike
        statdude
        bluespaceant
        Hiroaki
        keeron
        Bigdaddyaz
        Polyatomic
        palmface
        flowdab
        SpaceCadet
        photon
        dwdoc
        xzempt
        jdany
        mackstuart
        bmoconno
        jdot007
        mrtg
        maxpower
        Chris_Sabian
        xjack
        CommanderVenus
        daddyfatsax
        Plesk
        helipotte
        aurel57
        gambitv
        boyohi
        LaserHorse
        joeventura
        xhomerx10
        slashopt
        drofdelm
        canth
        zackclark70
        cdogster
        DBOD
        addzz
        DefaultTrust
        DustMite
        pixl8tr
        namoom
        blblr
        Taugeran
        arc45
        smscotten
        Cilantro
        chadtn
        kinger1331
        guytechie
        rumlazy
        fractalbc
        fforforest
        KyrosKrane
        ZBC3
        rj11248
        bitdigger2013
        Damnsammit
        jaslo
        BorisAlt
        ASICSAUCE
        sidehack
        steelcave
        Rotorgeek
        buyer99
        daddyhutch
        digeros
        west17m
        Trillium
        BrianDeery
        ziggysisland
        devthedev
        ryhan
        zac2013
        atomriot
        metal_jacke1
        Apheration
        johoe
        spacebob
        2byZi
        terrapinflyer
        BenTheRighteous
        gsr18
        Paddy
        Jennifer Smith
        BITMAIN
        J_Dubbs
        00Smurf
        firejuan
        ldh37
        thomslik
        argakiig
        Cheeseater
        ManeBjorn
        redsn0w
        Ski72
        suchmoon
        Thai
        KaChingCoinDev
        sjc1490
        FACTOM

   ~~MZ~~

[MadZ]

This sort of behaviour is clear abuse of the system in my opinion. This is no different than buying trust, except you're just abusing your position to get it for free. I noticed mine and Stunna's feedback went up today even though we had no new feedback so I guess this is the reason why. Does anyone know when philipma was added and all these people were added to his list?

He was added by CanaryInTheMine, I think that's why, Madz posted here about this issue.

   ~~MZ~~

No, he was not added by CanaryInTheMine, he is at DefaultTrust depth 1, the same level as Canary. I posted this here because he has done what people complained Canary did, and has been even more blatant about it.

[Muhammed Zakir]

This sort of behaviour is clear abuse of the system in my opinion. This is no different than buying trust, except you're just abusing your position to get it for free. I noticed mine and Stunna's feedback went up today even though we had no new feedback so I guess this is the reason why. Does anyone know when philipma was added and all these people were added to his list?

He was added by CanaryInTheMine, I think that's why, Madz posted here about this issue.

No, he was not added by CanaryInTheMine, he is at DefaultTrust depth 1, the same level as Canary. I posted this here because he has done what people complained Canary did, and has been even more blatant about it.

You missed my line just below that! I get it! So now 2 people in the list but CanaryInTheMine has better history, he can still be in the list if he remove the users who shouldn't be in the list.

   ~~MZ~~

[Muhammed Zakir]

Just removed philipma1957 from my list. I suggest everyone who thinks he shouldn't be in the list to remove him from your list, just add ~ before his name in your list: ~philipma1957 .




Actual trusted feedbacks:




   ~~MZ~~