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I think some people are confusing the Trust list with a Trust feedback rating.
If the trust list is used as leverage to force someone to change a trust rating against their will, is there a difference? The irony. You ab/used the feedback system this way by leaving negative feedback in an attempt to get someone to remove theirs against you and leave you alone. It seems you don't mind abusing it so long as it's not done to you.
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December 15, 2014, 04:44:24 AM |
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I think some people are confusing the Trust list with a Trust feedback rating.
I think they are referring to him adding so many people into his trust list (giving them depth 2 default trust). Not so much his feedback left for trades and group buys. Personally I trust him, but he does add by far the most people into lvl 2 trust. Tomato is referring to Canary adding many people to his trust list when it would really only be appropriate to leave positive trust feedback. I have previously thought he is trustworthy but no longer do so after what has been uncovered in the 3 threads about him that are currently active in meta.
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December 15, 2014, 05:08:18 AM Last edit: December 25, 2014, 07:40:59 PM by TECSHARE |
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I think some people are confusing the Trust list with a Trust feedback rating.
If the trust list is used as leverage to force someone to change a trust rating against their will, is there a difference? The irony. You ab/used the feedback system this way by leaving negative feedback in an attempt to get someone to remove theirs against you and leave you alone. It seems you don't mind abusing it so long as it's not done to you. There is no irony, only hypocrisy from the staff protecting the only thing they are concerned about, their paycheck. If you didn't involve yourself he would have ceased his abuse and I would have deleted my negative. You gave him the impression you would some how remove my trust rating so he had ZERO INCENTIVE to set things right because he thought he was getting what he wanted any way. Now he is stuck red, and I am off the default trust list all because disinterested 3rd parties decided that my work is some how attributable to them and they can take it away as if they granted it. The ONLY PURPOSE of the default trust for those on paid staff, is to keep their paychecks coming. Users having a fair place to leave ratings for abusive individuals is a long second, and why the staff should NOT have the power to moderate trust IN ANY WAY. They too have financial interests here, and if any person threatens their financial interests here they can use the ENTIRE TRUST SYSTEM to punish opponents or competitors. Tell me some more about how my single negative trust rating left for harassment some how negates my contribution to this community over 3 years. Furthermore users like Canary and VOD are given a free pass to whore out and abuse the trust system as they please because they were put there by STAFF, and they obey commands from their dictator Theymos & company. This isn't a distributed trust system, it is a TRUST DICTATORSHIP, and you follow the commands of the glorious leader, or you are out. It has nothing to do with reputability and everything to do with protecting the personal financial interests of the staff & friends. You accuse me of abusing the trust system for leaving one negative against someone who repeatedly harassed and slandered me, yet you see no problem at all with using the ENTIRE TRUST SYSTEM ITSELF as a cudgel against honest traders to force them to obey your dictates. Please excuse me if your sense of humor is lost on me.
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December 15, 2014, 05:30:24 AM |
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There is no irony, only hypocrisy from the staff protecting the only thing they are concerned about, their paycheck. If you did't involve yourself he would have ceased his abuse and I would have deleted my negative. You gave him the impression you would some how remove my trust rating so he had ZERO INCENTIVE to set things right because he thought he was getting what he wanted any way. Now he is stuck read and I am off the default trust list all because disinterested 3rd parties decided that my work is some how attributable to them and they can take it away as if they granted it. The ONLY PURPOSE of the default trust for those on paid staff, is to keep their paychecks coming. Users having a fair place to leave ratings for abusive individuals is a long second, and why the staff should NOT have the power to moderate trust IN ANY WAY.
They too have financial interests here, and if any person threatens their financial interests here they can use the ENTIRE TRUST SYSTEM to punish opponents or competitors. Tell me some more about how my single negative trust rating left for harassment some how negates my contribution to this community over 3 years. Furthermore users like Canary and VOD are given a free pass to whore out and abuse the trust system as they please because they were put there by STAFF, and they obey commands from their dictator Theymos & company. This isn't a distributed trust system, it is a TRUST DICTATORSHIP, and you follow the commands of the glorious leader, or you are out. It has nothing to do with reputability and everything to do with protecting the personal financial interests of the staff & friends. You accuse me of abusing the trust system for leaving one negative against someone who repeatedly harassed and slandered me, yet you see no problem at all with using the ENTIRE TRUST SYSTEM ITSELF as a cudgel against honest traders to force them to obey your dictates. Please excuse me if your sense of humor is lost on me.
Yawn more irony and hypocrisy. I'm tired of your whining and responding to the same old tired bs. The biggest hypocrisy here is from you and you were fine abusing the system when it suited you but are now just inventing up conspiracy to suit your argument like every child who gets told off here for something that is their own wrongdoing. You abused the system to get your own way on your own terms. How did removing you from the trust protect the staff or their financial interests? It seems you were trying to protect yours by the abuse. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmemeorama.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F05%2Fdr-zoidbergs-butthurt-cream.jpg&t=665&c=wjGxwjuQgFFblw) I suggest you use some of that and get over it.
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December 24, 2014, 09:44:23 PM |
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if someone on my list abuses the trust let me know and it will be handled appropriately. several instances have been already dealt with before and if necessary they can be dealt with in the future...
the larger the trusted list is the more effective it is in producing correct feedback to root out scams on the forums.
a small trust list is useless in catching and stopping scams.
scammers of all kinds have been pissed lately because their scams are stopped quickly by vigilant members of the forums, their objective is to eliminate obstacles to their scamming... if they can reduce the default trust list, they will only increase their scams.
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December 25, 2014, 07:16:10 PM Last edit: December 25, 2014, 07:38:17 PM by TECSHARE |
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There is no irony, only hypocrisy from the staff protecting the only thing they are concerned about, their paycheck. If you did't involve yourself he would have ceased his abuse and I would have deleted my negative. You gave him the impression you would some how remove my trust rating so he had ZERO INCENTIVE to set things right because he thought he was getting what he wanted any way. Now he is stuck read and I am off the default trust list all because disinterested 3rd parties decided that my work is some how attributable to them and they can take it away as if they granted it. The ONLY PURPOSE of the default trust for those on paid staff, is to keep their paychecks coming. Users having a fair place to leave ratings for abusive individuals is a long second, and why the staff should NOT have the power to moderate trust IN ANY WAY.
They too have financial interests here, and if any person threatens their financial interests here they can use the ENTIRE TRUST SYSTEM to punish opponents or competitors. Tell me some more about how my single negative trust rating left for harassment some how negates my contribution to this community over 3 years. Furthermore users like Canary and VOD are given a free pass to whore out and abuse the trust system as they please because they were put there by STAFF, and they obey commands from their dictator Theymos & company. This isn't a distributed trust system, it is a TRUST DICTATORSHIP, and you follow the commands of the glorious leader, or you are out. It has nothing to do with reputability and everything to do with protecting the personal financial interests of the staff & friends. You accuse me of abusing the trust system for leaving one negative against someone who repeatedly harassed and slandered me, yet you see no problem at all with using the ENTIRE TRUST SYSTEM ITSELF as a cudgel against honest traders to force them to obey your dictates. Please excuse me if your sense of humor is lost on me.
Yawn more irony and hypocrisy. I'm tired of your whining and responding to the same old tired bs. The biggest hypocrisy here is from you and you were fine abusing the system when it suited you but are now just inventing up conspiracy to suit your argument like every child who gets told off here for something that is their own wrongdoing. You abused the system to get your own way on your own terms. How did removing you from the trust protect the staff or their financial interests? It seems you were trying to protect yours by the abuse. A very professional response from the staff as usual. No one is forcing you to read my posts, you do an awful lot of crying about my posts for someone accusing me of being butthurt. I already explained how throwing me under a bus while allowing others to actually abuse the system heavily benefits staff. It draws attention away from the fact that this enforcement is for some users but not others and makes it appear as if you actually enforce these standards when enforcement is selective at best, all the while protecting your paychecks. You can make all the personal attacks against me you like, all it will do is demonstrate your lack of restraint and self control. You can call what I did an "abuse" all day, but I never tried to obfuscate what I did, and frankly I probably would have been better off lying to your faces and saying I thought Armis was a scammer, because that seems to be your only standard. I guess that is my fault for expecting a reasonable response from staff to a single complaint over 3 years while other users on the default trust have vast collections of complaints that go ignored by staff.
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December 25, 2014, 07:29:44 PM |
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Probably another example as to why Canary should prune his trust list. There is no reason for someone to be on default trust list if they at least at one point have been an active trader and/or have called out a lot of scams
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December 30, 2014, 03:05:50 AM |
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if nothing else changes then I think Canary should at least take the time to prune his trust list. I am sure he is a busy guy and with so many people under his trust list, he does not have the time to keep tabs on each and every one. There are definitely a good number of people under Canary's trust list who should not be deemed "trustworthy" anymore. Pruning the trust list of members gone bad is the least Canary can do for the community. I have no further comment on anything else that has taken place on this thread other than the fact that the points brought up about the trust system is /slightly/ flawed.
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December 30, 2014, 03:07:37 AM |
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would be great if some one did something about this.
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January 01, 2015, 10:58:22 AM |
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would be great if some one did something about this. The holiday period is over so there should be some solution now. CanaryInTheMine has a lot of complaints and I am surprised he is still on the depth 1. He has also shown earlier that in the Mabsark case that he is willing to remove others from his trust list if he feels that is bringing his place in the list in question.
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January 01, 2015, 12:12:00 PM |
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would be great if some one did something about this. The holiday period is over so there should be some solution now. CanaryInTheMine has a lot of complaints and I am surprised he is still on the depth 1. He has also shown earlier that in the Mabsark case that he is willing to remove others from his trust list if he feels that is bringing his place in the list in question. Just for the record, I was just cross posting the threads because it seemed relavent to the discussion and hadn't been mentioned. I don't hold a position on that particular case (I haven't read it properly).
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January 02, 2015, 09:22:30 AM |
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So he's basically just added (nearly) everyone who gave him positive or are they on other people's trust? Where is the trust tree where you can see who has added who to their list? Doesn't seem to be linked anymore.
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January 02, 2015, 09:31:16 AM |
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So he's basically just added (nearly) everyone who gave him positive or are they on other people's trust? Where is the trust tree where you can see who has added who to their list? Doesn't seem to be linked anymore. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full philipma1957 dentldir CrazyGuy Unacceptable kano champbronc2 Cablez davecoin RicRock Delarock iluvpcs crashoveride54902 Stunna lazlopanaflex ssinc razorfishsl btceic Swimmer63 buysolar SilentSonicBoom TookDk jc328 Chris_Sabian DefaultTrust klintay stex2009 Beastlymac boldar de_ixie Stratobitz EvilPanda Blazedout419 btcxcg bronxnua DyslexicZombei tripppn xZork crocko mchu168 itsrealfast Albertdroid MoreBloodWine BITMAIN CoinGeneral dance191 RitzGrandCasino crowetic dyland pcfli Diddyu Zoomhash_michael RockDaddy SDRebel MunkeySpaz Xtra7973 He added them to his list.
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January 02, 2015, 09:54:41 AM Last edit: January 02, 2015, 10:05:52 AM by hilariousandco |
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This sort of behaviour is clear abuse of the system in my opinion. This is no different than buying trust, except you're just abusing your position to get it for free. I noticed mine and Stunna's feedback went up today even though we had no new feedback so I guess this is the reason why. Does anyone know when philipma was added and all these people were added to his list?
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January 02, 2015, 10:39:53 AM |
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This sort of behaviour is clear abuse of the system in my opinion. This is no different than buying trust, except you're just abusing your position to get it for free. I noticed mine and Stunna's feedback went up today even though we had no new feedback so I guess this is the reason why. Does anyone know when philipma was added and all these people were added to his list?
He was added by CanaryInTheMine, I think that's why, Madz posted here about this issue. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) P.S. Sorry, he was added by DefaultTrust too. I think theymos/badbear can resolve this. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) But he would still be in trust depth 2. ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif) CanaryInTheMine theymos Gavin Andresen jgarzik Luke-Jr Miner-TE eleuthria luv2drnkbr Digigami gmaxwell E zapeta bitpop SebastianJu ipxtreme Philj os2sam yxt knybe conv3rsion bitcoin-rigs.com Vod dtmcnamara John (John K.) notme Mushroomized greeners dribbits echris1 SaltySpitoon bitcoiner49er BadBear freshzive arklan glendall Pistachio tarrant_01 tbcoin ElideN friedcat TheJuice Bees Brothers Christoban Stale af_newbie eroxors camolist MrTeal cncguru Mendacium PsychoticBoy Dabs mem Namworld lky_svn 420 mr2dave DobZombie Adrian-x gektek johnny5 dyingdreams Zillions phrog Domrada Mapuo philipma1957 jborkl RicRock jmutch MonocleMan b!z CoinHoarder absinth mitty (^_^) soy super3 iluvpcs batt01 xstr8guy MJGrae mobile nubbins ThickAsThieves hephaist0s BitcoinValet Timzim103 Rounder Nemo1024 TheXev ibminer Mooshire Benny1985 mrbrt hanti ssinc Kaega finlof elchorizo fewerlaws bitterdog Swimmer63 locksmith9 Krellan Spendulus MikeMike statdude bluespaceant Hiroaki keeron Bigdaddyaz Polyatomic palmface flowdab SpaceCadet photon dwdoc xzempt jdany mackstuart bmoconno jdot007 mrtg maxpower Chris_Sabian xjack CommanderVenus daddyfatsax Plesk helipotte aurel57 gambitv boyohi LaserHorse joeventura xhomerx10 slashopt drofdelm canth zackclark70 cdogster DBOD addzz DefaultTrust DustMite pixl8tr namoom blblr Taugeran arc45 smscotten Cilantro chadtn kinger1331 guytechie rumlazy fractalbc fforforest KyrosKrane ZBC3 rj11248 bitdigger2013 Damnsammit jaslo BorisAlt ASICSAUCE sidehack steelcave Rotorgeek buyer99 daddyhutch digeros west17m Trillium BrianDeery ziggysisland devthedev ryhan zac2013 atomriot metal_jacke1 Apheration johoe spacebob 2byZi terrapinflyer BenTheRighteous gsr18 Paddy Jennifer Smith BITMAIN J_Dubbs 00Smurf firejuan ldh37 thomslik argakiig Cheeseater ManeBjorn redsn0w Ski72 suchmoon Thai KaChingCoinDev sjc1490 FACTOM
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January 02, 2015, 10:43:41 AM |
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This sort of behaviour is clear abuse of the system in my opinion. This is no different than buying trust, except you're just abusing your position to get it for free. I noticed mine and Stunna's feedback went up today even though we had no new feedback so I guess this is the reason why. Does anyone know when philipma was added and all these people were added to his list?
He was added by CanaryInTheMine, I think that's why, Madz posted here about this issue. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) ~~MZ~~ No, he was not added by CanaryInTheMine, he is at DefaultTrust depth 1, the same level as Canary. I posted this here because he has done what people complained Canary did, and has been even more blatant about it.
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January 02, 2015, 10:46:40 AM |
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This sort of behaviour is clear abuse of the system in my opinion. This is no different than buying trust, except you're just abusing your position to get it for free. I noticed mine and Stunna's feedback went up today even though we had no new feedback so I guess this is the reason why. Does anyone know when philipma was added and all these people were added to his list?
He was added by CanaryInTheMine, I think that's why, Madz posted here about this issue. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) No, he was not added by CanaryInTheMine, he is at DefaultTrust depth 1, the same level as Canary. I posted this here because he has done what people complained Canary did, and has been even more blatant about it. You missed my line just below that! ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) I get it! So now 2 people in the list but CanaryInTheMine has better history, he can still be in the list if he remove the users who shouldn't be in the list. ~~MZ~~
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January 02, 2015, 10:53:15 AM |
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Just removed philipma1957 from my list. I suggest everyone who thinks he shouldn't be in the list to remove him from your list, just add ~ before his name in your list: ~philipma1957 . ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FU6sn9Jz.png&t=665&c=ZBVFm8VrsxJB1A) Actual trusted feedbacks: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIbBxzJV.png&t=665&c=wRsczdWUlpdaJw) ~~MZ~~
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