BitForce SC - Pre order delay

[SysRun]

I disagree, I think saying "we're going to ship the first 200 units simultaneously" makes sense. (or whatever arbitrary amount to average the order time over a couple days.

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[nedbert9]

@BFL


Regarding BTC being the only initial payment option.

You should recognize a significant number of existing customers that have funds tied up in either immediately received Singles or Singles yet to have arrived.

Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?

Nedbert. You have a good point.

Also, I'd like to add that I have wanted to respond to a comment of yours before, but didn't because your forum icon/image is too disturbing.
I'll send you one bitcoin today if you change it permanently away from that image (to something not like it).

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What?  You don't think I'm pretty?  How rude.

I'll change it.

[cuz0882]

The fact that they opened up ordering doesn't mean that they won't consider taking our advice.

This customer service is unbelievable. 83 days just to get tossed in the back of the line?

[||bit]

@BFL


Regarding BTC being the only initial payment option.

You should recognize a significant number of existing customers that have funds tied up in either immediately received Singles or Singles yet to have arrived.

Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?

Nedbert. You have a good point.

Also, I'd like to add that I have wanted to respond to a comment of yours before, but didn't because your forum icon/image is too disturbing.
I'll send you one bitcoin today if you change it permanently away from that image (to something not like it).

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What?  You don't think I'm pretty?  How rude.

I'll change it.

Seriously, I kinda expected something bizarre. Not to be lewd, but that literally made me laugh so hard that I farted from the tension on my abs.
Well, it's still a bit disturbing. However, it's not like the other, and I guess a deal is a deal.  I'll send you a bitcoin. What's your bitcoin address?

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[||bit]

The fact that they opened up ordering doesn't mean that they won't consider taking our advice.

'Which advice?' is the question. I don't know if there was even a coherent collective voice on much of it.

[nedbert9]

@BFL


Regarding BTC being the only initial payment option.

You should recognize a significant number of existing customers that have funds tied up in either immediately received Singles or Singles yet to have arrived.

Can you imagine how this segment of your current customer base would feel if they are forced to the end of the line?

Nedbert. You have a good point.

Also, I'd like to add that I have wanted to respond to a comment of yours before, but didn't because your forum icon/image is too disturbing.
I'll send you one bitcoin today if you change it permanently away from that image (to something not like it).

||bit

What?  You don't think I'm pretty?  How rude.

I'll change it.

Seriously, I kinda expected something bizarre. Not to be lewd, but that literally made me laugh so hard that I farted from the tension on my abs.
Well, it's still a bit disturbing. However, it's not like the other, and I guess a deal is a deal.  I'll send you a bitcoin. What's your bitcoin address?

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You're seriously starting to hurt my feelings now.    Look, I had no control over the fact I wasn't born a woman, but have such a feminine energy and style.



Nah, it's ok.  I GIVE to the community.

[cuz0882]

The fact that they opened up ordering doesn't mean that they won't consider taking our advice.

'Which advice?' is the question. I don't know if there was even a coherent collective voice on much of it.

Most seem to agree that people who already have money tied up in orders, should not be forced to the end of the line. We can't even get a hold of Butterfly to get our money back and place a order. I bought 4 just because they announced they were letting us trade them in at 100% value. Which turned out to be only part of the story. Basically who ever paid them first should receive their units first. The longer they hold our money the more it costs us.

[jgarzik]

Sounds like fun

[imsaguy]

Most seem to agree that people who already have money tied up in orders, should not be forced to the end of the line. We can't even get a hold of Butterfly to get our money back and place a order.

+1

[Morblias]

Most seem to agree that people who already have money tied up in orders, should not be forced to the end of the line. We can't even get a hold of Butterfly to get our money back and place a order.

+1

Yep, been waiting for my singles for 7 weeks. Wanted to change to ASIC, sent an email, no response. I am not going to be at the end of the line. Again.

EDIT: mean I AM going to be at end of line

[imsaguy]

Most seem to agree that people who already have money tied up in orders, should not be forced to the end of the line. We can't even get a hold of Butterfly to get our money back and place a order.

+1

Yep, been waiting for my singles for 7 weeks. Wanted to change to ASIC, sent an email, no response. I am not going to be at the end of the line. Again.

You don't like getting the shaft?

[Morblias]

You don't like getting the shaft?

BFL has had me by my balls for the past 7 weeks. My left nut is about to fall off.

[imsaguy]

You don't like getting the shaft?

BFL has had me by my balls for the past 7 weeks. My left nut is about to fall off.

lulz.  I'm not quite that bad yet, but I do feel your pain.

[lomax]

Most seem to agree that people who already have money tied up in orders, should not be forced to the end of the line. We can't even get a hold of Butterfly to get our money back and place a order. I bought 4 just because they announced they were letting us trade them in at 100% value. Which turned out to be only part of the story. Basically who ever paid them first should receive their units first. The longer they hold our money the more it costs us.

While I sympathize, how is yours different to the situation those of us holding BFL kit find ourselves in? We parted with our money well before you, for products that now may not pay for themselves.

Of course, we did the only thing we could, give them more of our money and hope to land far enough towards the front of the order queue to make anything back.

Its a shit sandwich for (nearly) everyone.

[imsaguy]

Most seem to agree that people who already have money tied up in orders, should not be forced to the end of the line. We can't even get a hold of Butterfly to get our money back and place a order. I bought 4 just because they announced they were letting us trade them in at 100% value. Which turned out to be only part of the story. Basically who ever paid them first should receive their units first. The longer they hold our money the more it costs us.

While I sympathize, how is yours different to the situation those of us holding BFL kit find ourselves in? We parted with our money well before you, for products that now may not pay for themselves.

Of course, we did the only thing we could, give them more of our money and hope to land far enough towards the front of the order queue to make anything back.

Its a shit sandwich for (nearly) everyone.

At least with you holding BFL kit, you're getting to generate with it.  Not all of us are that lucky.

[lomax]

Most seem to agree that people who already have money tied up in orders, should not be forced to the end of the line. We can't even get a hold of Butterfly to get our money back and place a order. I bought 4 just because they announced they were letting us trade them in at 100% value. Which turned out to be only part of the story. Basically who ever paid them first should receive their units first. The longer they hold our money the more it costs us.

While I sympathize, how is yours different to the situation those of us holding BFL kit find ourselves in? We parted with our money well before you, for products that now may not pay for themselves.

Of course, we did the only thing we could, give them more of our money and hope to land far enough towards the front of the order queue to make anything back.

Its a shit sandwich for (nearly) everyone.

At least with you holding BFL kit, you're getting to generate with it.  Not all of us are that lucky.

I don't see this advantage, 'you' have the option of completely withdrawing your order, 'we' MUST pay more or lose the initial investment. Remembering that the profitability of this additional investment is by no means assured. Lucky? 

[cuz0882]

Most seem to agree that people who already have money tied up in orders, should not be forced to the end of the line. We can't even get a hold of Butterfly to get our money back and place a order. I bought 4 just because they announced they were letting us trade them in at 100% value. Which turned out to be only part of the story. Basically who ever paid them first should receive their units first. The longer they hold our money the more it costs us.

While I sympathize, how is yours different to the situation those of us holding BFL kit find ourselves in? We parted with our money well before you, for products that now may not pay for themselves.

Of course, we did the only thing we could, give them more of our money and hope to land far enough towards the front of the order queue to make anything back.

Its a shit sandwich for (nearly) everyone.

At least with you holding BFL kit, you're getting to generate with it.  Not all of us are that lucky.

I don't see this advantage, 'you' have the option of completely withdrawing your order, 'we' MUST pay more or lose the initial investment. Remembering that the profitability of this additional investment is by no means assured. Lucky? 

I have some units already, its not a real bad position to be in. You can either upgrade, or sell half and upgrade. Then earn 70 a month per unit while you wait for a upgrade. With their track record it might just pay for itself by the time they get the upgrades delivered. They met their obligation by delivering so there is not much to do about it.

If you have already been waiting 3 months and then are forced to wait for a refund to place your order. That will probably move you about 3 months behind the people that just ordered. That's 6 months of extra waiting simply because they failed to delivery the products on time. They should have put a option on the order form or called everyone that was over the 6 weeks and asked them if they wanted to cancel or upgrade before taking new ASIC orders..

[JWU42]

Of course, we did the only thing we could, give them more of our money and hope to land far enough towards the front of the order queue to make anything back.

Its a shit sandwich for (nearly) everyone.

Sad but true...

[imsaguy]

I don't see this advantage, 'you' have the option of completely withdrawing your order, 'we' MUST pay more or lose the initial investment. Remembering that the profitability of this additional investment is by no means assured. Lucky? 

The message posted from Jody indicates anyone that paid with BTC cannot cancel their order.  You've got hardware.  You can sell it in 3 months for $599, but can earn coins on it right now.  The people waiting on old orders can also sell in 3 months for $599, but they don't have the luxury of mining on it.  So if they sell, they've essentially been out of their money for 3-6 months and have nothing to show for it.

[SgtSpike]

I don't see this advantage, 'you' have the option of completely withdrawing your order, 'we' MUST pay more or lose the initial investment. Remembering that the profitability of this additional investment is by no means assured. Lucky? 

The message posted from Jody indicates anyone that paid with BTC cannot cancel their order.  You've got hardware.  You can sell it in 3 months for $599, but can earn coins on it right now.  The people waiting on old orders can also sell in 3 months for $599, but they don't have the luxury of mining on it.  So if they sell, they've essentially been out of their money for 3-6 months and have nothing to show for it.

This was later clarified to the fact that you will receive a USD equivalent number of Bitcoins in the event of a refund.  If you paid 125 Bitcoins for a single, and wanted a refund, you might only get 90 today, but you'll still get a refund.