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June 23, 2012, 10:48:40 AM
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We've been flooded with emails echoing some of the same suggestions here on the forum regarding the best way to determine order priority.  I'm writing now in case any of you had been staying up waiting for the order form posting tonight.  We're going to sleep on it and post tomorrow, but at the moment we're leaning towards a system that satisfies the two most significant arguments which are first come first serve & the lottery style distribution.

The way we're proposing it would work is that the orders are taken and tagged in priority order.  When product is ready on any given day (let's say 40 units) half of them would go to the order priority list while the remainder 20 would go to randomly picked selections from the daily ship lottery.  

Also worth pointing out for anyone interested in participating tomorrow, orders will be taken only via Bit-Pay initially.  This is a special promotion with Bit-Pay to promote their BTC merchant account service and may give existing miners a bit of an upper hand in first wave delivery.  (alternate payment methods will be added within a few days).

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Another idea that actually makes sense and seems more fair to the customer, is to put those ahead of line that have waited more than the upper limit of 6 weeks for BFL to deliver past purchased product. The order terms for Singles on BFL's website states 4-6 weeks and notes it could be faster (not longer). Probably a good way to recover that lost customer sentiment.

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June 23, 2012, 11:18:11 AM
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How about you don't take anyone's money until you actually have a product to ship?

Then you can limit the number per order with like a 72hr wait between orders(if anyone wants to make multiple orders, fine, stagger them)

Kind of like we already see when any new "hot" device hits the shelves.

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June 23, 2012, 11:23:13 AM
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i like the sound of that. limited orders, i mean. no sense in the first to pre order being able to lock up all available production for weeks or whatever.
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June 23, 2012, 11:30:57 AM
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Also worth pointing out for anyone interested in participating tomorrow, orders will be taken only via Bit-Pay initially.  This is a special promotion with Bit-Pay to promote their BTC merchant account service and may give existing miners a bit of an upper hand in first wave delivery.  (alternate payment methods will be added within a few days).
Bit-Pay (Tony) deserves it ,it's a nice bitcoin service

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What about to prefer send BitForce SC to different location and places in geographically?    I know will be costs a little bit more than expected (VAT,IVA,GST,etc) but think about hardware decentralization.
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June 23, 2012, 12:54:14 PM
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People are seriously thinking of sending funds through an irreversible method to people who won't even give their names?

Now I understand how it is that you can train sheep to line up and wait to be sheared.

There are only 2 scenarios here.

1.  BFL is able to deliver a functional product in sufficient volumes to recover the cost of design and masks and the network hashrate quickly hits several hundred TH/s.

- existing miners lose, current BFL buyers lose, future BFL buyers lose, BFL wins

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2.  Their wafer builds don't work, require expensive respins, don't yield well, don't sort with any decent clock rates, etc.

- existing miners continue on, anyone that touches BFL loses
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June 23, 2012, 01:04:35 PM
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not digging lottery part
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June 23, 2012, 01:44:04 PM
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Something doesn't add up here. There are currently over 100 BFL singles still waiting to be delivered in the WAIT list.. and your already taking pre-orders for the SC? Your way over 4-6 weeks on your delivery times.. yet you slap your customers in the face with a random lotto?

And now you decide that Bitcoin is the only payment your going to take for pre-orders? No way for buyer protection?

There is a post about someone wanting a refund that they paid with bitcoin but you refused it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88903.0

Is this the point where you take a bunch of pre-order bitcoin and disappear with everyones money? The biggest bitcoin con ever?

Something stinks in the bitcoin community..

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June 23, 2012, 02:11:08 PM
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Well that's nothing new. I think there's always going to be room left for critical and fantastical speculation.

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June 23, 2012, 02:49:17 PM
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Wait... a shipping lottery? Is this a fucking joke?

This is going to be entertaining to watch people wait even longer for their products! How professional of you BFL.

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June 23, 2012, 02:56:46 PM
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I just posted this in the other thread, but it seems more relevant here -

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It looks like mini-rig purchasers are still screwed the most, unless they get priority for upgrading.  Based on the the order list thread some people are scheduled to receive their mini-rig in August.  2 months later a handful of jalapenos will equal the hashing power and then the mini-rig owner will be forced to upgrade (shelling out another $15k) or lose out entirely.  If they do decide to upgrade and end up in some order lottery it's really gonna hurt.  Seems like punishment for early customers who put their faith/$ in BFL.

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June 23, 2012, 03:02:01 PM
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i like this idea ALOT better...



pre-orders should be a "Deposit" feature of say.... 25%-50% of the actual price... and when your product is ready to Ship, then you must pay the other 50%-75% of the fee.


it just doesnt make sense this time around with the shipping problems & delays you've had to dump 100% on a 3 month Pre-Order wait as is....


and the lottery shipping is Terrible... actually worst idea i've heard for shipping out Thousand+ dollar pre-order items that people have reserved in FULL.
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June 23, 2012, 03:07:35 PM
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i like this idea ALOT better...



pre-orders should be a "Deposit" feature of say.... 25%-50% of the actual price... and when your product is ready to Ship, then you must pay the other 50%-75% of the fee.


it just doesnt make sense this time around with the shipping problems & delays you've had to dump 100% on a 3 month Pre-Order wait as is....


and the lottery shipping is Terrible... actually worst idea i've heard for shipping out Thousand+ dollar pre-order items that people have reserved in FULL.

That's the ideal situation, but given that people are crawling over each other to be first in line, I don't see why they would.
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June 23, 2012, 03:10:10 PM
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All the logic and reason in the world has never won an argument with greed.
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June 23, 2012, 03:10:24 PM
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i like this idea ALOT better...



pre-orders should be a "Deposit" feature of say.... 25%-50% of the actual price... and when your product is ready to Ship, then you must pay the other 50%-75% of the fee.


it just doesnt make sense this time around with the shipping problems & delays you've had to dump 100% on a 3 month Pre-Order wait as is....


and the lottery shipping is Terrible... actually worst idea i've heard for shipping out Thousand+ dollar pre-order items that people have reserved in FULL.

That's the ideal situation, but given that people are crawling over each other to be first in line, I don't see why they would.

i dont even understand it tbh, i've never paid in full for something, and get it 3-5 months later...


Where do they do that at?.... never heard of that business practice... although, i'll be the first to jump in that line... lol...
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June 23, 2012, 03:11:39 PM
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All the logic and reason in the world has never won an argument with greed.

tell that to the bible thumpers on sunday.  Undecided
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June 23, 2012, 03:13:34 PM
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Honestly, there needs to be a 10% preorder price, at MAXIMUM.

First time around on first genereation FPGA hardware, I can understand 100% up front. You're taking a chance on a company that wasn't tested, with expected numbers falling short of what the first product was capable of.

With the mini-rig, proven faster than what was speculated, and coming in under your power envelope, good job. Pat on the back to you BFL.

You already have venture capitol, and strong sales with you the Single & Mini-rig, there's no reason for the full price up front for your BFL SC Products before they ship.

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June 23, 2012, 03:28:43 PM
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Honestly, there needs to be a 10% preorder price, at MAXIMUM.

First time around on first genereation FPGA hardware, I can understand 100% up front. You're taking a chance on a company that wasn't tested, with expected numbers falling short of what the first product was capable of.

With the mini-rig, proven faster than what was speculated, and coming in under your power envelope, good job. Pat on the back to you BFL.

You already have venture capitol, and strong sales with you the Single & Mini-rig, there's no reason for the full price up front for your BFL SC Products before they ship.

People will still order 1000s of products regardless of this. They are only accepting BTC and 3 months before an 'estimated' delivery date.

Open your eyes people...

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June 23, 2012, 03:31:16 PM
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People are seriously thinking of sending funds through an irreversible method to people who won't even give their names?

Now I understand how it is that you can train sheep to line up and wait to be sheared.

There are only 2 scenarios here.

1.  BFL is able to deliver a functional product in sufficient volumes to recover the cost of design and masks and the network hashrate quickly hits several hundred TH/s.

- existing miners lose, current BFL buyers lose, future BFL buyers lose, BFL wins

or

2.  Their wafer builds don't work, require expensive respins, don't yield well, don't sort with any decent clock rates, etc.

- existing miners continue on, anyone that touches BFL loses

I have said the same thing in other thread. Greed is what drive the society to corruption, ... let alone bitcoin.
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June 23, 2012, 04:32:33 PM
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I have said the same thing in other thread. Greed is what drive the society to corruption, ... let alone bitcoin.


The bitcoin protocol uses greed by channeling it into a feedback loop that increases security.  You can't change human nature, but you can direct it.


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June 23, 2012, 04:40:22 PM
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Yet another BFL thread I need to watch...

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