BitForce SC - Pre order delay

[World]

Also worth pointing out for anyone interested in participating tomorrow, orders will be taken only via Bit-Pay initially.  This is a special promotion with Bit-Pay to promote their BTC merchant account service and may give existing miners a bit of an upper hand in first wave delivery.  (alternate payment methods will be added within a few days).

Bit-Pay (Tony) deserves it ,it's a nice bitcoin service

one idea:
What about to prefer send BitForce SC to different location and places in geographically?    I know will be costs a little bit more than expected (VAT,IVA,GST,etc) but think about hardware decentralization.
thx

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[Entropy-uc]

People are seriously thinking of sending funds through an irreversible method to people who won't even give their names?

Now I understand how it is that you can train sheep to line up and wait to be sheared.

There are only 2 scenarios here.

1.  BFL is able to deliver a functional product in sufficient volumes to recover the cost of design and masks and the network hashrate quickly hits several hundred TH/s.

- existing miners lose, current BFL buyers lose, future BFL buyers lose, BFL wins

or

2.  Their wafer builds don't work, require expensive respins, don't yield well, don't sort with any decent clock rates, etc.

- existing miners continue on, anyone that touches BFL loses

[Serge]

not digging lottery part

[wknight]

Something doesn't add up here. There are currently over 100 BFL singles still waiting to be delivered in the WAIT list.. and your already taking pre-orders for the SC? Your way over 4-6 weeks on your delivery times.. yet you slap your customers in the face with a random lotto?

And now you decide that Bitcoin is the only payment your going to take for pre-orders? No way for buyer protection?

There is a post about someone wanting a refund that they paid with bitcoin but you refused it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88903.0

Is this the point where you take a bunch of pre-order bitcoin and disappear with everyones money? The biggest bitcoin con ever?

Something stinks in the bitcoin community..

[SysRun]

Well that's nothing new. I think there's always going to be room left for critical and fantastical speculation.

[norulezapply]

Wait... a shipping lottery? Is this a fucking joke?

This is going to be entertaining to watch people wait even longer for their products! How professional of you BFL.

[coretechs]

I just posted this in the other thread, but it seems more relevant here -

It looks like mini-rig purchasers are still screwed the most, unless they get priority for upgrading.  Based on the the order list thread some people are scheduled to receive their mini-rig in August.  2 months later a handful of jalapenos will equal the hashing power and then the mini-rig owner will be forced to upgrade (shelling out another $15k) or lose out entirely.  If they do decide to upgrade and end up in some order lottery it's really gonna hurt.  Seems like punishment for early customers who put their faith/$ in BFL.

[Definit]

i like this idea ALOT better...



pre-orders should be a "Deposit" feature of say.... 25%-50% of the actual price... and when your product is ready to Ship, then you must pay the other 50%-75% of the fee.


it just doesnt make sense this time around with the shipping problems & delays you've had to dump 100% on a 3 month Pre-Order wait as is....


and the lottery shipping is Terrible... actually worst idea i've heard for shipping out Thousand+ dollar pre-order items that people have reserved in FULL.

[MrTeal]

i like this idea ALOT better...



pre-orders should be a "Deposit" feature of say.... 25%-50% of the actual price... and when your product is ready to Ship, then you must pay the other 50%-75% of the fee.


it just doesnt make sense this time around with the shipping problems & delays you've had to dump 100% on a 3 month Pre-Order wait as is....


and the lottery shipping is Terrible... actually worst idea i've heard for shipping out Thousand+ dollar pre-order items that people have reserved in FULL.

That's the ideal situation, but given that people are crawling over each other to be first in line, I don't see why they would.

[cncguru]

All the logic and reason in the world has never won an argument with greed.

[Definit]

i like this idea ALOT better...



pre-orders should be a "Deposit" feature of say.... 25%-50% of the actual price... and when your product is ready to Ship, then you must pay the other 50%-75% of the fee.


it just doesnt make sense this time around with the shipping problems & delays you've had to dump 100% on a 3 month Pre-Order wait as is....


and the lottery shipping is Terrible... actually worst idea i've heard for shipping out Thousand+ dollar pre-order items that people have reserved in FULL.

That's the ideal situation, but given that people are crawling over each other to be first in line, I don't see why they would.

i dont even understand it tbh, i've never paid in full for something, and get it 3-5 months later...


Where do they do that at?.... never heard of that business practice... although, i'll be the first to jump in that line... lol...

[Definit]

All the logic and reason in the world has never won an argument with greed.

tell that to the bible thumpers on sunday. 

[Miner99er]

Honestly, there needs to be a 10% preorder price, at MAXIMUM.

First time around on first genereation FPGA hardware, I can understand 100% up front. You're taking a chance on a company that wasn't tested, with expected numbers falling short of what the first product was capable of.

With the mini-rig, proven faster than what was speculated, and coming in under your power envelope, good job. Pat on the back to you BFL.

You already have venture capitol, and strong sales with you the Single & Mini-rig, there's no reason for the full price up front for your BFL SC Products before they ship.

[occulta]

Honestly, there needs to be a 10% preorder price, at MAXIMUM.

First time around on first genereation FPGA hardware, I can understand 100% up front. You're taking a chance on a company that wasn't tested, with expected numbers falling short of what the first product was capable of.

With the mini-rig, proven faster than what was speculated, and coming in under your power envelope, good job. Pat on the back to you BFL.

You already have venture capitol, and strong sales with you the Single & Mini-rig, there's no reason for the full price up front for your BFL SC Products before they ship.

People will still order 1000s of products regardless of this. They are only accepting BTC and 3 months before an 'estimated' delivery date.

Open your eyes people...

[seriouscoin]

People are seriously thinking of sending funds through an irreversible method to people who won't even give their names?

Now I understand how it is that you can train sheep to line up and wait to be sheared.

There are only 2 scenarios here.

1.  BFL is able to deliver a functional product in sufficient volumes to recover the cost of design and masks and the network hashrate quickly hits several hundred TH/s.

- existing miners lose, current BFL buyers lose, future BFL buyers lose, BFL wins

or

2.  Their wafer builds don't work, require expensive respins, don't yield well, don't sort with any decent clock rates, etc.

- existing miners continue on, anyone that touches BFL loses

I have said the same thing in other thread. Greed is what drive the society to corruption, ... let alone bitcoin.

[coretechs]

I have said the same thing in other thread. Greed is what drive the society to corruption, ... let alone bitcoin.

The bitcoin protocol uses greed by channeling it into a feedback loop that increases security.  You can't change human nature, but you can direct it.

[wogaut]

Yet another BFL thread I need to watch...

[||bit]

How about you don't take anyone's money until you actually have a product to ship?

Then you can limit the number per order with like a 72hr wait between orders(if anyone wants to make multiple orders, fine, stagger them)

Kind of like we already see when any new "hot" device hits the shelves.

Sounds good. I especially like the part where they don't take anyones money so far in advance.

[Brunic]

sub for boring nights

[OgNasty]

Sounds good. I especially like the part where they don't take anyones money so far in advance.

I wish they'd take my money now so I could go on with my Saturday.