Does torture work?

[Vod]

Does torture work?

As a question this compares to "Is slavery commercially feasible?" & "Can genocide help overpopulation?"

Shame on the US for torturing prisoners....

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[oprahwindfury]

Every time this topic comes up I like to think of the Batman quote;

Batman: I'm no executioner.

Ra's al Ghul: Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share.

Batman: That's why it's so important. It separates us from them.

Political activism hidden in Batman comics? Sounds like my cup of tea.

[ObscureBean]

It doesn't really matter whether torture works or not. It is an inevitability in a world built on power, a byproduct that can never truly be eradicated. Attempting to remove torture from the equation while continuing to enjoy the 'good' side of power is a fool's errand. If you really feel strongly about it, you'd have to start by questioning the privileges that power brings to you.

[pattu1]

Does torture work?

As a question this compares to "Is slavery commercially feasible?" & "Can genocide help overpopulation?"

Shame on the US for torturing prisoners....

I think they would justify it under "greater good" argument.
The US should probably stop lecturing other countries about human rights, now that we know that they consider torture as a legitimate interrogation method.

[Hamuki]

I dont feel bad when I hear that the US is torturing terrorists.

They have planned or executed a attack on innocent civilians..
Then they get what they deserve.. Does not matter if its a terrorists or a pedofile.

[Daniel91]

I don't think so.
People will confess anything under torture, true or lie.
In fact, it seems that torture didn't help CIA to prevent even one terrorist attack since 2001.

[Hamuki]

I don't think so.
People will confess anything under torture, true or lie.
In fact, it seems that torture didn't help CIA to prevent even one terrorist attack since 2001.

Got anything that proves that?

"In fact, it seems that torture didn't help CIA to prevent even one terrorist attack since 2001. "

I think it have helped.. Several times..
And a terrorists is a terrorist.. Shot them, torture them or beat them to death.. I dont mind it..
Those fuckers deserve it.

[Lethn]

I dont feel bad when I hear that the US is torturing terrorists.

They have planned or executed a attack on innocent civilians..
Then they get what they deserve.. Does not matter if its a terrorists or a pedofile.

You won't be thinking that if you're ever snatched up by them, fact is innocent people have wound up getting tortured and tortured people will confess to anything to make the pain stop, so calling it effective is just stupid especially if they'll just tell the torturers what they want to hear and then a real disaster happens despite them torturing people.

[Hamuki]

I dont feel bad when I hear that the US is torturing terrorists.

They have planned or executed a attack on innocent civilians..
Then they get what they deserve.. Does not matter if its a terrorists or a pedofile.

You won't be thinking that if you're ever snatched up by them, fact is innocent people have wound up getting tortured and tortured people will confess to anything to make the pain stop, so calling it effective is just stupid especially if they'll just tell the torturers what they want to hear and then a real disaster happens despite them torturing people.

Read once agian..

I say that I have no problem with terrorists being tortured.. Yes, mistakes happen.. And this kind of mistakes should never happen..

But if you catch a terrorist that is prepping for an attack or was captured during an attack.. All I have to say is make him suffer.

[Elwar]

Torture works...if you are the one torturing and enjoy it. Or if you give the orders and somehow feel proud that you are helping your country.

It's all about helping people feel good right?

[Hamuki]

Torture works...if you are the one torturing and enjoy it. Or if you give the orders and somehow feel proud that you are helping your country.

It's all about helping people feel good right?

Its about punishing the bastard who killed innocent people.

Woman, children and elders who are not able to defend themselfs.

[Elwar]

Torture works...if you are the one torturing and enjoy it. Or if you give the orders and somehow feel proud that you are helping your country.

It's all about helping people feel good right?

Its about punishing the bastard who killed innocent people.

Woman, children and elders who are not able to defend themselfs.

See...this guy probably feels good about torture too.

Good feelings...

torture works

[Lethn]

I dont feel bad when I hear that the US is torturing terrorists.

They have planned or executed a attack on innocent civilians..
Then they get what they deserve.. Does not matter if its a terrorists or a pedofile.

You won't be thinking that if you're ever snatched up by them, fact is innocent people have wound up getting tortured and tortured people will confess to anything to make the pain stop, so calling it effective is just stupid especially if they'll just tell the torturers what they want to hear and then a real disaster happens despite them torturing people.

Read once agian..

I say that I have no problem with terrorists being tortured.. Yes, mistakes happen.. And this kind of mistakes should never happen..

But if you catch a terrorist that is prepping for an attack or was captured during an attack.. All I have to say is make him suffer.

I read it again, you're still a violent psychopath and a cunt.

[Hamuki]

I dont feel bad when I hear that the US is torturing terrorists.

They have planned or executed a attack on innocent civilians..
Then they get what they deserve.. Does not matter if its a terrorists or a pedofile.

You won't be thinking that if you're ever snatched up by them, fact is innocent people have wound up getting tortured and tortured people will confess to anything to make the pain stop, so calling it effective is just stupid especially if they'll just tell the torturers what they want to hear and then a real disaster happens despite them torturing people.

Read once agian..

I say that I have no problem with terrorists being tortured.. Yes, mistakes happen.. And this kind of mistakes should never happen..

But if you catch a terrorist that is prepping for an attack or was captured during an attack.. All I have to say is make him suffer.

I read it again, you're still a violent psychopath and a cunt.

Violence does not solve anything.. Its how I feel about those fuckers.. Its not how it should be done.

[BADecker]

While torture doesn't work all of the time, it works most of the time. Here is part of the way it works, especially at places like Guantanamo.

Often you don't know if the person you are torturing knows anything or not. Maybe he doesn't know even the least bit about the things you are questioning him of. He is still useful for you. Here's how.

Your political masters - the people who are your bosses - want confessions along certain lines. They don't care if the confessions are the truth or not. They simply want the confessions in a certain way so that they can use them for political purposes - to propagandize the "free" people.

Over the decades, psychologists have figured out ways for you, the torturer, to ask questions of your torturees, to elicit the answer you want to hear from them, in the way you want to hear it. In other words, you want to ask them questions in such a way that makes it look like you are asking them legitimate questions. What you are really doing is feeding them the answers that you want them to "confess" to so that you get a confession that you can use as propaganda, whether or not the particular torturee has any knowledge of what is going on regarding the thing that you are questioning him about.

This is part of the reason why the Guantanamo prisoners have been kept for so long. They have been going through classes - torture classes - that have turned them into good subjects out of whom the torturers can get the confessions that they want to hear, to use for propaganda purposes. The training takes a long time. Some torturees die from it. But it has to look real. So, when you get a batch of torturees trained, you don't want to let them go unless you absolutely have to.

In the event you don't think this is true, just consider the police, especially in big cities. You have probably heard the term "good cop, bad cop." That's where two cops get on your case. The bad cop accuses you (to induce fear into you) while the good cop sticks up for you (to make it look like he is your buddy, helping you). What they are both doing is trying to elicit the confession that they want to hear out of you.

This cop thing is torture. It is a mild form of Guantanamo. If the laws weren't so strict with regard to using torture on U.S. citizens, the cops wouldn't have to resort to such complex tactics. They would simply go and beat it out of you... whatever they wanted to hear... truth or not. They often do this right now. I bet there are some forum contributors who have had this experience.

So, yes. Torture works. But very often it isn't being used for the purposes that the general public thinks. Rather, it is being used to propagandize and manipulate the public through false confessions that look real.

[achimsmile]

Torture works...if you are the one torturing and enjoy it. Or if you give the orders and somehow feel proud that you are helping your country.

It's all about helping people feel good right?

Its about punishing the bastard who killed innocent people.

Woman, children and elders who are not able to defend themselfs.

You seem to know that everyone in Guantanamo is a murderer... I wonder how you come to this conclusion?

These guys didn't even get a process, the weren't prosecuted. But hey, they're all terorists so it's OK... Yes, many of them are, and they should spend their life in jail.
But of course the CIA is always right and doesn't kidnap and torture innocent guys. 

Jeez I get spasms when reading this thread.

[BADecker]

Torture works...if you are the one torturing and enjoy it. Or if you give the orders and somehow feel proud that you are helping your country.

It's all about helping people feel good right?

Its about punishing the bastard who killed innocent people.

Woman, children and elders who are not able to defend themselfs.

You seem to know that everyone in Guantanamo is a murderer... I wonder how you come to this conclusion?

These guys didn't even get a process, the weren't prosecuted. But hey, they're all terorists so it's OK... Yes, many of them are, and they should spend their life in jail.
But of course the CIA is always right and doesn't kidnap and torture innocent guys. 

Jeez I get spasms when reading this thread.

Read my post, two posts up. 

[achimsmile]

Over the decades, psychologists have figured out ways for you, the torturer, to ask questions of your torturees, to elicit the answer you want to hear from them

Perfectly right. The prisoner will tell the torturer anything (truth and lies) that he thinks the torturer wants to hear. He just wants it to stop.

[SirChiko]

It doesn't help, people outside think that it won't happen to them and the ones that have to be tortued have fear close to insanity.
It's just retared system of showing "i have the power i can do whatever i want"...and that isn't right.

[Elwar]

It makes people feel good that some "terrorist" is getting tortured. Those people then turn around and give control over their own lives and money to people who can make that torture happen. Those people receive the power, they use it on whatever they want, spend money on wars and torture and use that power to continue to get more and more power. They can then widen the definition of "terrorist" at will to include those that do not agree with them or get in the way of them obtaining more power. They can spin it using propaganda to make it sound like the victims deserve it, making people once again feel good about the torture giving up even more power.

Eventually it turns from feeling good about the torture to being fearful that you might come under the definition of "terrorist". Then you are under their full control. By then it is too late.