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Hello people, Beware Wall-of-Text below... tl;dr version:The Nxt Monetary System is a feature so distinct that I think it merits a separate topic. Wíth the Monetary System, it becomes possible to issue Nxt backed currencies on top of the Nxt blockchain. These currencies can either work as a PoS currency ór a PoW currency. The currencies are created by "locking" a certain amount of Nxt as collateral for all the coins subsequently released. Below, you can read the several parameters that can be set for these currencies, as well as several possible use cases for this feature of Nxt. The Monetary System is currently running on the Nxt Testnet, so if you want to have a test drive, and even better: go on a bughunt, please join us and fiddle around with it. How to use TestNet!CHECK THIS VERY WELL!1. Download last NRS release into some folder, say "testnxt". Version 1.4.0e can be found here: https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-4-0e/2. Unzip the archive, and go to folder testnxt\nxt\conf 3. Edit file nxt.properties: find the string nxt.isTestnet=false, and change it to nxt.isTestnet=true 4. Navigate to testnxt\nxt\, and start run.bat (windows) or ./run.sh (linux). 5. Open http://localhost: 6876/ in your browser. 6. Request TestNxt in this thread: https://nxtforum.org/testnet/some-testnxt-to-test-asset-exchange/7. Happy fiddling (and testing) OverviewThe "Currency" entity is the basic building block of the NXT Monetary System, currency has a unique name and code and uniqueness is guaranteed by the protocol, currencies can be deleted and their code can be reused under certain conditions. The total currency supply is divisible into currency units. Like assets, currency units supports decimal positions implemented as a client side feature. The maximum number of currency units which can be issued per currency is similar to NXT i.e. 10^9 * 10^8. The actual maximum units supply is set by the currency issuer. The currency issuer is the account which issues the currency and pays the issuance fee. The issuer is responsible for setting the currency properties and in some configurations has additional control over the currency usage. Like asset balance, currency units can be transferred between accounts. Currency PropertiesThe currency entity supports several properties. Properties can be mixed and matched in various ways to compose the currency type. The currency type then controls the inner workings of the currency. The list of available currency properties is as follows: EXCHANGEABLE - the currency can be exchanged with NXT. Holders of the currency can publish an exchange offer specifying the buy and sell rate of the currency much the same as banks or currency exchanges publish their exchange rates . Each account can publish only a single exchange offer at any given time. Exchange offers has an expiry block after which they are no longer in effect. Buyers and sellers can issue exchange requests to match published exchange offers. Unlike asset bid/ask orders, exchange requests are not saved, they are either executed immediately (fully or partially) or not executed at all. A match of exchange offer with a buy or sell exchange request creates an exchange entity which represents the transfer of currency units in return to NXT balance and causes the relevant account balances to update. Issuing an exchange offer reduces the NXT and currency balance of the offer temporary as long as the exchange offer is in effect. Exchange offers also specify the limit on the number of exchanged units which can be larger than the number of units offered. When a buy exchange request matches an exchange offer the number of units offered for sell is reduced and the number of units offered to buy is increased as long as the limit has not been reached. Once the exchange limit of an exchange offer has been reached, This exchange offer can no longer be used. CONTROLLABLE - currency property suitable for currencies which need to track an external entity. It imposes the following limitations on the currency (1) Currency can be transferred only to/from the issuer account (2) only the issuer account can publish exchange offers. The issuer account can issue a large (practically infinite) supply of units in advance, then transfer units to accounts or offer to exchange units to reflect actual transactions which takes place in an external system. The large supply of units in the issuer account can be used to mimic the effect of creating units out of nowhere to support features such as creating new units and interest payments. RESERVABLE - currency units are not issued immediately. Instead the currency issuer sets a block height at which the currency is to be issued and a limit of NXT per unit needed in order to issue the currency. Currency "founders" then spend their NXT to reserve their currency stake. If the amount of NXT per unit needed in order to issue the currency is not reserved before reaching the block height the issuance is cancelled and funds are returned minus fees. If the required reserve is allocated, the currency is issued and units are split between founders according to their proportional stake of invested NXT. In case of rounding, leftovers are sent to the issuer account. See below discussion of usage scenarios for Reservable currency. CLAIMABLE - currency units of resereable currency can later be claimed at the same NXT per unit rate reached when reserving the currency. The ability to claim a currency at a certain rate imposes some practical limits on the rates in which users would want to exchange it. However claimable currency can also be exchanged if only for the purpose of exchanging the whole currency supply so that the currency can be deleted. MINTABLE - currency can be minted using proof of work algorithms much the same as Bitcoin. Unlike Bitcoin mining, minting currency does not secure the network (this is done by NXT). Minting is used solely for creating new currency units and serve as the only mechanism to increase the number of available units after the currency issuance. NON_SHUFFLEABLE - this property indicates that in the future this currency cannot participate in coin shuffling. By default currencies are allowed to participate in shuffling. Properties are combined into an Integer bit mask designated as the Currency type. Currency ExchangeFor exchangeable currency, each currency holder account, can publish a single exchange offer specifying the buy rate and sell rate vs NXT and the number of units she is willing to exchange (which cannot exceed her available currency units and NXT balance). Users can observe all currency exchange offers (intuitively similar to fiat exchange offices) and try to match them with buy/sell exchange requests. An exchange offer has an expiration height as well as a limit on the total number of units which can be exchanged. When units are bought from an exchange offer the number of units to sell increases automatically and vise versa. The publisher can also limit the total transaction volume of currency units traded for a specific exchange offer. Deleting a CurrencySince the available currency codes are limited to 3, 4 or 5 uppercase letters, the total number of codes is limited to 26^3 + 26^4 + 26^5 - 1 = 12355927 unique values (The code "NXT" is reserved), it is likely that some of these codes will have value by themselves. Therefore deleting a currency is possible under certain conditions depending on the currency type. Users may re-issue or delete a currency and then issue a new currency with the same code but with different properties. In order to delete or re-issue a currency an account must poses all the currency units (and additional conditions apply based on the currency type) Creating new Currency UnitsThe only way to create new currency units after issuing a currency is using proof of work minting. Other methods of creating units are susceptible to denial of service attacks and/or sock puppets and are therefore not allowed. The controlable currency type provides a partial solution for creating new units, by allowing the currency issuer account to treat her supply as a treasury and only consider units outside of this account as the total currency supply. This approach requires users to trust the currency issuer which can increase the currency supply at any time. MintingUsers can issue minting requests in order to mint additional currency units. Each minting request triggers a hash calculation based on the submitted data and the currency hash algorithm. The resulting hash code is compared to the target value derived from the current currency difficulty. Minimal and maximal currency difficulty values and minting algorithm are specified when issuing the currency and cannot be changed later. The expected number of hash calculations (i.e. difficulty) of minting the first unit is 2^minDifficulty while the difficulty of minting the last unit is 2^maxDifficulty. Difficulty increases linearly from min to max based on the ratio between the current number of units and the total supply. Difficulty increases linearly with the number of units minted per CurrencyMint request, small minters can mint only a few units per request while large minters can mint large number of units per request. The number of units per minting request is limited to 1/10000 of the total unit supply. Minting is limited to a single minting transaction per block/account/currency. Currency issuers can specify initial supply of units as a "pre-mint" supply assigned to the issuer account then use crowd funding by making the currency RESERVABLE and EXCHANGEABLE. Once the currency becomes active the delta between the current supply (pre-minted and reserved) and total supply can be minted. The NRS provides a Java based, reference implementation mInter, which can be used for minting. In practice we expect users to enhance this minter to calculate hash codes using their Asics or GPUs, trying to match the current target, and once solving a hash, submit a currency mint transaction (thus paying a fee). If indeed the hash code is smaller than the target the currency units are credited to the sender account. Store of ValueThe combination of RESERVABLE and CLAIMABLE properties can be used to allocate initial value for a currency by locking NXT. Once the currency is issued the reserved NXT are locked and the only way to release them is to claim back the currency units in return to NXT. This provides the currency a value based on the locked NXT balance. Note: locked NXT do not participate in forging, therefore, in theory its possible that large amount of NXT becomes locked as currency store of value thus reducing the amount of NXT used for securing the network, we are aware of this problem and we'll monitor it closely. We do not expect this to become a major problem any time soon. Crowd FundingThe combination of RESERVABLE and (not CLAIMABLE) properties can be used for crowd funding, in this configuration the NXT balance reserved by founders, is not locked, instead it is sent to the currency issuer account once the currency becomes active. The issuer can use these NXT for its operations and the founders cannot claim back their currency units, only exchange it based on the published exchange offers. FeesCurrency issuance fee is based on the length of the currency code. 3 Letters - 25000 NXT 4 Letters - 1000 NXT 5 Letters - 40 NXT Re-issuing an existing currency with different properties costs 40 NXT regardless of the number of letters. All other currency transaction (as of today) has a fee on 1 NXT.
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December 17, 2014, 04:34:54 PM |
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This release will definitely change the Cryptocurrency landscape.
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December 17, 2014, 04:40:16 PM |
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It is one of those things that you don't know exactly what it will be good for but, at the same time, you sense that it's great and that people will find many ingenious and useful applications crowdfunding is only the first one
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December 17, 2014, 05:42:41 PM |
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Use for loyalty points/tokens? Less technical skills required than when you have to create/clone your own crypto.
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December 17, 2014, 05:51:00 PM |
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Why not just use NXT itself? What utility will this feature provide?
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December 17, 2014, 06:05:10 PM |
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Why not just use NXT itself? What utility will this feature provide?
Decentralization 2
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December 17, 2014, 06:57:03 PM |
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NXT is pure innovation!
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December 17, 2014, 07:01:57 PM |
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i will get some testnet coin , let's see what will happen then
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Damelon (OP)
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December 17, 2014, 07:06:15 PM |
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i will get some testnet coin , let's see what will happen then
For more info specific to using this release, please keep an eye on https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-4-0e/It's still in testing, so things are less intuitive than they will be in the stable release.
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December 17, 2014, 07:12:58 PM |
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i will get some testnet coin , let's see what will happen then
For more info specific to using this release, please keep an eye on https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-4-0e/It's still in testing, so things are less intuitive than they will be in the stable release. thanks , will join the communication soon
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December 17, 2014, 07:21:27 PM |
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Made my own currency and started minting. To see the monetary system in action is damn cool.
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December 17, 2014, 07:31:37 PM |
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How long until it's on the main net?
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December 17, 2014, 07:45:38 PM |
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Just reposting from nxt forum: GJ devs, open node here: http://5.196.1.215:6876/index.htmlIf you want to play with it but don't have the time to setup one.
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Damelon (OP)
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December 17, 2014, 07:45:59 PM |
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Made my own currency and started minting. To see the monetary system in action is damn cool.
I've not yet figured out how to mint. Could you maybe explain to less technically adept people (me)? How long until it's on the main net?
Depends on how well this test goes, probably. We've heard no firm dates yet, but maybe the development manager ChuckOne can tell us.
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December 17, 2014, 07:46:12 PM |
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Cool, I'll keep my eyes on this one ...
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December 17, 2014, 07:57:21 PM |
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Cool! when will go real NXT?
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December 17, 2014, 07:59:37 PM |
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Made my own currency and started minting. To see the monetary system in action is damn cool.
I've not yet figured out how to mint. Could you maybe explain to less technically adept people (me)? How long until it's on the main net?
Depends on how well this test goes, probably. We've heard no firm dates yet, but maybe the development manager ChuckOne can tell us. Have a look at the config file. There's a section for minting. After that start minter.sh/bat It's quite easy
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December 17, 2014, 09:05:54 PM |
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Very cool
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December 17, 2014, 09:10:26 PM |
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OK, for those confused by "minting" You need to fill out the following in nxt-default.properties file #### MINT #### # Address of the NXT server to which the mint worker submits its transactions (default: localhost) nxt.mint.serverAddress= localhost# Specify a mintable currency code nxt.mint.currencyCode= Coin shortcode# Secret phrase for the minting account, this secret phrase is sent to the host specified by # nxt.mint.serverAddress therefore do not specify secret phrase of an account with lots of funds nxt.mint.secretPhrase= your passphrase# Number of units to mint per transaction # The minting difficulty grows linearly with the number of units per mint nxt.mint.unitsPerMint=1 < no idea exactly what does yet. I left it at 1.# The initial nonce used for minting # Set to 0 to start with a random nonce nxt.mint.initialNonce=0 < left this at 0, too# Number of concurrency threads used for minting # Set to 0 allocate one thread per processor core nxt.mint.threadPoolSize=0 < same# When set to false mint transactions are not submitted when a hash is solved. # Set this value to true to perform actual minting nxt.mint.isSubmitted= trueYou then, with Nxt running, need to run either mint.bat or mint.sh. And voila, you are minting. If anyone can tell us more about the parameters, that would be nice.
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December 17, 2014, 09:14:42 PM |
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NXT never ceases to amaze me , good job guys.
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December 17, 2014, 09:40:01 PM |
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Interesting
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December 17, 2014, 09:59:06 PM |
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UPDATEhttps://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-4-1e/-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Release 1.4.1e https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/downloads/nxt-client-1.4.1e.zipsha256: 2777a11b701170d7decc01bb82a9049abc37bd293374f852d1810c8195d9842b nxt-client-1.4.1e.zip Change log: This is a bugfix release following 1.4.0e. Fixed Currency Exchange Booth not working. Fixed currency decimals issue. Fixed minor bugs in MS transaction validation. Show total alias count in aliases page. Alias deletion and dividend payment UI fixes. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUkfhFAAoJEFOhyXc7+e2AlyQQAOUQHpZc+03kvf0aVQIy45oU XtHKlt98PwjSKW0MdzyKXXTohdMFTHKR3vvaSRMFqVu+Bvf8ZCL1liLD/J0kidO9 E2AxCvcvAnNKwcNlJQPZjLsboR7aACHG1qwrICOXYeYuBBLrqlUx6UuPjFZdBHXB BszYDcxpIZ8thUwa/dPhTVdq9Q0AmKoPMME/Jq0OH2tfM3SJEMRI4NkWQbQ8YjmB 1xCt8Z2aplKIJGYmo8pvxZBXvo52N277EKXBnZfn55LoHjIQL3hX4WMBc3GwshhA 9mvJNyMsS4ZTRREH2ZjwiVsu2p+sZ53JBzwhXSpzm2R6LoUrrVA9E6h0ZzKWSj/c yFvkZjAvGobmmZ6a1kzAiRGKLildkpS2CIDOyy32NMHL9yu538jbbmMvtVVAr1oM uZehyJxwym+49t0F6dtjwj60nbfYgJoEjXcdidyby+0AQOBHcx+uvhz1easxtsMd 1SgkJ77EdwntK1hXM1Dkx24vA6jABkjihZyBMn3IKQvaSToZFRPe9RXMdqtu+Or6 QmAoXuvy+65I361J6m0wbB1yFvpTgPlOdBAnRr/rx85v3Z+QnNBm6ApmIirINNy7 hRtsvdv6REnI/L8MJdjyGV63nfsuOFqiP32I50cy8XhiO87Cxtpr1SZCHXyk6t5V iO9Z9Cznf748wQC1TW3u =TfLA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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December 17, 2014, 10:23:57 PM |
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I would like to see people breaking the testnet!
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December 17, 2014, 10:27:34 PM |
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Why not just use NXT itself? What utility will this feature provide?
Different properties than NXTs. Different use-cases than NXTs. Diversification. Ah yes, and brings a bit of sidechain flair to Nxt.
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December 17, 2014, 10:43:42 PM |
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This should put NXT on everybodies radar!
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December 17, 2014, 10:46:43 PM |
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This should put NXT on everybodies radar!
Indeed. I would love to know what entrepreneurs will make out of it. They always come up with some crazy ideas no computer scientist and programmer could have come up with.
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Kora
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December 17, 2014, 10:47:35 PM |
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Exciting times!
ORA will be launching as an MS currency in the not too distant future!
For details, and to join in the discussion please follow the links in my signature!
All are welcome!!
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December 17, 2014, 10:48:29 PM |
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This is incredible !! NXT is the most innovative coin ever
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December 17, 2014, 10:50:50 PM |
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ORA will be launching as an MS currency in the not too distant future!
Oh, I did not know that. How come? What do you further plan on top of ORA? Will it have some special properties?
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December 17, 2014, 11:01:58 PM |
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wow. this looks so promising. Amazing work guys!
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Kora
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December 17, 2014, 11:05:07 PM |
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Exciting times!
ORA will be launching as an MS currency in the not too distant future!
For details, and to join in the discussion please follow the links in my signature!
All are welcome!!
Oh, I did not know that. How come? We decided that MS system has everything we needed, and no real disadvantages. At the moment we're working on a proposal suggested by coinsolidation (bitmark dev) to let holders of dead & dying alt coin 'burn' their coins in exchange for ORA coins. ORA has been trading on the NXT AE for some time now, but ORA stakes were initially distributed for FREE or in exchange for people contributing effort, and we want to continue with that 'vibe', and letting alt coin holders burn effectively worthless coins in exchange for ORA lets us increase our community size, and it doesn't require us taking money from people, but does offer a method that prevents abuse. It might also compensate some people in a small way for 2014 losses. There's still a lot of details to work out, and we welcome opinions from ALL comers! ORA community is very small, but still active
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December 17, 2014, 11:07:36 PM |
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Chuck, am I right to think that other properties can be added in the future? Depending on what people want/dream up?
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December 17, 2014, 11:14:05 PM |
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This is very exciting! Even my grandmother can create a new and secure crypto currency now. Excellent work!
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December 17, 2014, 11:21:14 PM |
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This is very exciting! Even my grandmother can create a new and secure crypto currency now. Excellent work! Haha, exactly. Let me know when she does.
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Kora
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December 17, 2014, 11:21:24 PM |
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ORA will be launching as an MS currency in the not too distant future!
What do you further plan on top of ORA? Will it have some special properties? We're still working on that, and actively taking suggestions. The core ORA team have been brain storming for quite a while, and it's like our holy grail, "what will people use ORA for, what problems does it solve, how does it make people's lives better?". We're working on the assumption that we don't necessarily have to have all the answers before we proceed, as long as it's really really obvious to everyone that we're NOT a scam or joke, and so investing time & effort into ORA isn't going to be a bad experience. I think after more than 6 months, with no IPO/ICO etc it should be obvious that we're serious about this project, and our invitation to everyone and anyone to join ORA is sincere. We don't have ALL the answers (or even the majority of them) but we have built a decent community framework so far, and that gives me confidence that over time new people will join ORA, and some of those people WILL have great ideas!! ORA is a starfish, no leader, just a trajectory
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December 17, 2014, 11:23:56 PM |
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very cool and exciting
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December 17, 2014, 11:26:08 PM |
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Chuck, am I right to think that other properties can be added in the future? Depending on what people want/dream up?
That is true. However as with every decentralized currency (which those Nxt Currencies will be), they start with a social contract. That is, people will only have faith in the newly created currency when they can trust the stability and adherence to the social contract of the currency. Currencies of the MS are not supposed to change once they are created AND in production. Only new currencies would enjoy new properties later introduce than those initial ones. But yes, people are free to suggest and to shape the decentralized nature of the Nxt economy platform.
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December 17, 2014, 11:28:16 PM |
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Exciting times!
ORA will be launching as an MS currency in the not too distant future!
For details, and to join in the discussion please follow the links in my signature!
All are welcome!!
Oh, I did not know that. How come? We decided that MS system has everything we needed, and no real disadvantages. Nice. That would I call a satisfied customer!Credits go to the devs. At the moment we're working on a proposal suggested by coinsolidation (bitmark dev) to let holders of dead & dying alt coin 'burn' their coins in exchange for ORA coins. ORA has been trading on the NXT AE for some time now, but ORA stakes were initially distributed for FREE or in exchange for people contributing effort, and we want to continue with that 'vibe', and letting alt coin holders burn effectively worthless coins in exchange for ORA lets us increase our community size, and it doesn't require us taking money from people, but does offer a method that prevents abuse. It might also compensate some people in a small way for 2014 losses. There's still a lot of details to work out, and we welcome opinions from ALL comers! ORA community is very small, but still active Yes, the social contract of ORA will be very important for its future.
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December 17, 2014, 11:28:59 PM |
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This is going to be the most interesting Nxt feature thus far, truly unique and a thousand possibilities. Can't wait to try it out (updating TestNet client)
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December 17, 2014, 11:29:50 PM |
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Crowdfunding in completely transparent and decentralized way? Sounds like a great use case to me, more ideas will come, I'm sure.
I don't really understand the PoW minting inside PoS currency, but hey, old habits die hard I guess.
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December 17, 2014, 11:30:12 PM |
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ORA will be launching as an MS currency in the not too distant future!
What do you further plan on top of ORA? Will it have some special properties? We're still working on that, and actively taking suggestions. The core ORA team have been brain storming for quite a while, and it's like our holy grail, "what will people use ORA for, what problems does it solve, how does it make people's lives better?". We're working on the assumption that we don't necessarily have to have all the answers before we proceed, as long as it's really really obvious to everyone that we're NOT a scam or joke, and so investing time & effort into ORA isn't going to be a bad experience. I think after more than 6 months, with no IPO/ICO etc it should be obvious that we're serious about this project, and our invitation to everyone and anyone to join ORA is sincere. We don't have ALL the answers (or even the majority of them) but we have built a decent community framework so far, and that gives me confidence that over time new people will join ORA, and some of those people WILL have great ideas!! ORA is a starfish, no leader, just a trajectory I look forward to your suggestions and conclusions. I guess ORA could be a blueprint currency when MS is released on the mainnet. Others could be inspired for their own currencies.
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Crowdfunding in completely transparent and decentralized way? Sounds like a great use case to me, more ideas will come, I'm sure.
Indeed. People should know about this. I wrote an [img=http://nxter.org/nxt-for-financial-experts-local-groups-and-cryptofans/]http://article[/img] but I think we need to address directly the people who need such a crowdfunding platform. There are so many people out there and when I talk to them and explain all of this, they simply say: "Why does nobody know about this?"And I am like: "??" I do not know what to answer then. I don't really understand the PoW minting inside PoS currency, but hey, old habits die hard I guess.
Sure but all people are welcome.
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Very nice, I have to get some more testnet to test it out now!
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hope this will point that NXT is very superior to many coins
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interesting, will test to see how its like!
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Fuck Mt.Gox! Fuck Mintpal! Fuck Bter! FUCK kyc! Protect yourself use MGW! SUPERNET! Recommended ASSET ->InstantDex : Lead Dev Jl777 (decentralized multi currency instant exchange) Recommended ASSET -> Jinn : Lead Dev Come-from-Beyond (ternary processors!) https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/(ann)-jinn/
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December 18, 2014, 12:33:06 AM |
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This is going to be the most interesting Nxt feature thus far, truly unique and a thousand possibilities.
My thought too! Hope it is flexible enough so that the MS coins can get unique features and innovations. Curious to see the POW system working.
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December 18, 2014, 12:41:34 AM |
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Very nice ,That really is HUGE
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At the moment we're working on a proposal suggested by coinsolidation (bitmark dev) to let holders of dead & dying alt coin 'burn' their coins in exchange for ORA coins.
I have so many worthless coins to burn. If you pull this off I'll be all over this ORA coin.
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December 18, 2014, 01:09:37 AM |
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At the moment we're working on a proposal suggested by coinsolidation (bitmark dev) to let holders of dead & dying alt coin 'burn' their coins in exchange for ORA coins.
I have so many worthless coins to burn. If you pull this off I'll be all over this ORA coin. Great attitude, music to my ears
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This is going to be awesome. I am already preparring. Please dont release before 2015 so I can enjoy new years eve and family before all the squatting starts
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December 18, 2014, 03:04:58 AM |
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Very interesting concept.. Nxt is still searching for its niche in the crypto world, with so many features its bound to find one soon!
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Very interesting concept.. Nxt is still searching for its niche in the crypto world, with so many features its bound to find one soon!
That's a very good point. I think the success of Nxt AE has filled a void but I expect MS to really take off, it's an original BCNext idea.
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December 18, 2014, 05:36:57 AM |
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Cool, thanks! (As a reminder, don't use your real password testers)
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@ChuckOne Cool. I have a suggestion for a new property, someone was asking about it on Nxtforum. We have provision for those that want a POW coin but someone asked about POS+Inflation i.e. the supply is inflated at a set (or variable I suppose, like BTC) rate over time. I don't like inflation coins (I don't like POW either ) but lots of other people do. So, does MS currently cover the scenarios: 1a) "I want a POS coin that has 1min blocktime, each block issues new coins that give an annual percentage inflation of X%" and 1b) "I want a POS coin that has 1min blocktime, each block issues new coins that give an annual percentage inflation of A% for the X years, then reducing A-B% for the next Y years." < option of variable or linear reductions rate would probably be good I looked at the spec and I didn't think it did. Maybe a the first new property after initial release?
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December 18, 2014, 09:53:35 AM |
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Awesome stuff! Looking forward to ORA on the MS too.
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December 18, 2014, 10:31:45 AM |
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This could be huge for cryptos.
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December 18, 2014, 12:29:45 PM |
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Did someone say decentralized crowd funding platform? You can say that again!
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December 18, 2014, 03:19:26 PM |
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So is this pretty much a way to make your own coins? or what is the deal with this?
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December 18, 2014, 03:27:52 PM |
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Thanks I have an amazing idea for a coin and had no idea how to make one so I will be on top of this one for sure Cheers Mate
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December 18, 2014, 04:12:56 PM |
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Thanks I have an amazing idea for a coin and had no idea how to make one so I will be on top of this one for sure Cheers Mate Make sure you read the documentation on the different options for coin creation, it allows some very interesting scenarios.
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December 18, 2014, 05:26:07 PM |
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Thanks I have an amazing idea for a coin and had no idea how to make one so I will be on top of this one for sure Cheers Mate Make sure you read the documentation on the different options for coin creation, it allows some very interesting scenarios. Thanks Mate I will be for sure to do that
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Thanks I have an amazing idea for a coin and had no idea how to make one so I will be on top of this one for sure Cheers Mate Make sure you read the documentation on the different options for coin creation, it allows some very interesting scenarios. Thanks Mate I will be for sure to do that No worries, definitely recommend testing on Testnet if you can, that way you can be ready to launch your coin when it goes live.
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December 18, 2014, 06:32:03 PM |
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Thanks I have an amazing idea for a coin and had no idea how to make one so I will be on top of this one for sure Cheers Mate Make sure you read the documentation on the different options for coin creation, it allows some very interesting scenarios. Thanks Mate I will be for sure to do that No worries, definitely recommend testing on Testnet if you can, that way you can be ready to launch your coin when it goes live. Really appreciate the help from all of you here on this thread I'm most definitely gonna take a good long hard look into it for sure :-)
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December 18, 2014, 10:07:40 PM |
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Why not just use NXT itself? What utility will this feature provide?
Different properties than NXTs. Different use-cases than NXTs. Diversification. Ah yes, and brings a bit of sidechain flair to Nxt. glad Im not the only one who saw that. and with the way BTC seems to be foundering on the subject, my guess is MS will come out long before sidechains do
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December 18, 2014, 10:13:49 PM |
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Did someone say decentralized crowd funding platform? You can say that again! decentralized crowd funding platform
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December 18, 2014, 11:15:59 PM |
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So quick question what would it cost to make my own coin through this Nxt Monetary System? Any specs lingering around I could look at?
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December 19, 2014, 12:12:28 AM |
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So quick question what would it cost to make my own coin through this Nxt Monetary System? Any specs lingering around I could look at?
It depends on if you want to have your coin backed by Nxt (locked), but if you don't it's as cheap at 40Nxt https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/issue/205/monetary-system-documenation (scroll down to Fees)
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December 19, 2014, 02:22:44 AM |
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I don't really see why it would be better for crowdfunding than the Asset exchange... or digital good store if you prefer a stable price.
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December 19, 2014, 05:46:45 AM |
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I don't really see why it would be better for crowdfunding than the Asset exchange... or digital good store if you prefer a stable price.
Because you can set a block height so if your target crowdfunding Nxt goal isn't reached, the MS coin isn't created and everyone gets their money back (called Reservable). With Assets, people buy the Assets and their money is gone regardless if the target is reached.
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December 19, 2014, 05:55:35 PM |
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I don't really see why it would be better for crowdfunding than the Asset exchange... or digital good store if you prefer a stable price.
Because you can set a block height so if your target crowdfunding Nxt goal isn't reached, the MS coin isn't created and everyone gets their money back (called Reservable). With Assets, people buy the Assets and their money is gone regardless if the target is reached. We also need to check how certain features will get used out in the wild.
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December 19, 2014, 09:48:26 PM |
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I don't really see why it would be better for crowdfunding than the Asset exchange... or digital good store if you prefer a stable price.
Because you can set a block height so if your target crowdfunding Nxt goal isn't reached, the MS coin isn't created and everyone gets their money back (called Reservable). Something like this would have saved people a fortune lost in IPOs for undelivered coins.
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December 20, 2014, 07:22:06 PM |
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I don't really see why it would be better for crowdfunding than the Asset exchange... or digital good store if you prefer a stable price.
Because you can set a block height so if your target crowdfunding Nxt goal isn't reached, the MS coin isn't created and everyone gets their money back (called Reservable). With Assets, people buy the Assets and their money is gone regardless if the target is reached. that is pretty neat
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December 20, 2014, 07:42:58 PM |
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I don't really see why it would be better for crowdfunding than the Asset exchange... or digital good store if you prefer a stable price.
Because you can set a block height so if your target crowdfunding Nxt goal isn't reached, the MS coin isn't created and everyone gets their money back (called Reservable). Something like this would have saved people a fortune lost in IPOs for undelivered coins. Would have saved me some BTC (I knew I was gambling so it didn't bother me much)
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How customizable will MS coins be when it goes live on testnet? I know we have a few set options like POW and Coin Mixing, but will we be able to add advanced features via API or will more options just be added by devs in future releases?
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December 21, 2014, 04:27:09 PM |
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How customizable will MS coins be when it goes live on testnet? I know we have a few set options like POW and Coin Mixing, but will we be able to add advanced features via API or will more options just be added by devs in future releases?
Right now, we go for a "just to be added by devs". But: Chuck, am I right to think that other properties can be added in the future? Depending on what people want/dream up?
That is true. However as with every decentralized currency (which those Nxt Currencies will be), they start with a social contract. That is, people will only have faith in the newly created currency when they can trust the stability and adherence to the social contract of the currency. Currencies of the MS are not supposed to change once they are created AND in production. Only new currencies would enjoy new properties later introduce than those initial ones. But yes, people are free to suggest and to shape the decentralized nature of the Nxt economy platform.
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December 21, 2014, 04:30:50 PM |
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I don't really see why it would be better for crowdfunding than the Asset exchange... or digital good store if you prefer a stable price.
Because you can set a block height so if your target crowdfunding Nxt goal isn't reached, the MS coin isn't created and everyone gets their money back (called Reservable). Something like this would have saved people a fortune lost in IPOs for undelivered coins. Would have saved me some BTC (I knew I was gambling so it didn't bother me much) What brings us to the question why invest in a currency in the first place? Investing in an asset on the Nxt Asset Exchange makes sense to support the venture behind it. But why did you invest in currencies?
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December 21, 2014, 04:38:05 PM |
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Why not just use NXT itself? What utility will this feature provide?
Different properties than NXTs. Different use-cases than NXTs. Diversification. Ah yes, and brings a bit of sidechain flair to Nxt. glad Im not the only one who saw that. and with the way BTC seems to be foundering on the subject, my guess is MS will come out long before sidechains do Indeed. We also cover use-cases that otherwise would have people required to wait for Ethereum. So, people can use Nxt and get started with their local currency project. Nxt might not offer a 100% flexible solution but it is flexible enough to cover 90% of the use-cases.
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Nxt continues to set the bar... Monetary System goes live on the mainnet at block 330000This will be a hard fork, upgrade to the latest version 1.4.5 before block 330000 or be left on a fork. Whoop -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Release 1.4.5 [Go to https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-4-5] sha256: [deleted] Change log: Enable Monetary System at block 330000. This is a hard fork, therefore everybody should upgrade to 1.4.5 or later before that. If upgrading from 1.3.x, read the 1.4.0e and later changelogs for the important changes and new features introduced in the 1.4 series. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUoBwLAAoJEFOhyXc7+e2A4dMQAPNhZNnbA4UbnD0lt8tg/4Yw mPt3qaRKYnNIregbuGWWvXVU6uEJCDXSaYMhMYV5gZBPZRn6fQWyR5BVqA0kBhBg 9PLuasfJmxCVrrDeJYkB7D2SqxjOrIEJroIYkzuqyFw6u7ZccemXcs+t392XqOS2 CMyZFFtrPSM5mPmyzPPsGj2HsDP8dUNySyUhPvcGn+QgvW3BuFsp4UdJs8GbHsBG 4qQYphH4nYSBGTAm0SoAzNsFYTP/juxFch9bCdXFABVmvYZsaCDeH9fUah6MZkD2 e+nPy102DyfjBjhx8HkwT3OBHnT2fZM0aIf5WJ06L9kL1MdPP0hLPdJz+8YGl+kI ymdRTbRVM0MYWOoNhdhm2m31KNKVysqEO1B1YqyCEDt6P4yeQAl+x/3YjpxQ0pPw cT9QW+X+SLhB88hyazGIlDXTapv3J5DWOTD/mWjvJ6FSm/8I/rpAwBYl6wr6jnUz 5gpT95MyHBrPAhzpvU+GL3ZCpWnOqk29t7AAWlg0E02cAobB8TeZX2R2FJchmBYI +yL88GpC0R+RzMXm/WQchMPlRLDj9JTNTSIoiJZTs5UmdxWsDJcmo4uYfzjGvmCl XjUoTwrT5RtE4dcQDrZi09eldD0PWdxyKwQANOYFWq/frzhnA5t9MO5xfnM9spUx c7CIa1ZwibXB3LZAJ+wU =Q6Qi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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December 29, 2014, 02:23:24 PM |
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WOW that was fast!
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December 31, 2014, 12:01:52 AM |
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Monetary System goes live on the mainnet at block 330000
We're at block 321435 right now, so that's in 8565 blocks (6-9 days) — exciting!
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Testers still busy at work, upgrade to version 1.4.6 to ensure a smooth transition. If you want to test Monetary System so you know how to use it on launch day, see here >>> https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/%28core%29-hardfork-on-330000 Monetary System goes live roughly 10th January, block 330000-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Release 1.4.6 [removed, see https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-4-6/ for Jean-Luc's message]sha256: [removed]
Change log: Set MS block to 330000 in the UI too, so that the MS features menu appears after that height. Enforce that currency exchange offer expiration height is after the current blockchain height. Refactoring of the UI html, splitting index.html into multiple files. Added offer and transfer links to currency exchange booth UI. This release will perform a rescan on testnet only, with a rollback to block 159305. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUpV+xAAoJEFOhyXc7+e2AMTcQAJbtNTaGqJ5tnICd43KgXhM0 FfCQ6LdByjXiZlSc7ME8orEjH9yTOGIjsXbpGD13Z43ma6rj0zYcXoJRILutaikx CZeVQ02OUpJDqw0W01TA9OgXQ0TRqpjmv3//+R9P/wbSec2koeMDxWFq8H3ZUw1K +ITWnH7uQFT8RfBoN2oRlhN5tGX7eOxblzS5Mfcn///farKcfcHQCruYwrHVIbeg AvLK0/bIJaiVi5uR73/HznNkwlqipGi2NNdWL1POJ/BdwptGqVSQOadT0zzUuPqp zYSmO3nx1sXBtgNn+ZJ4hFvR+qwz8T/o49ddRCMWzow1q7H4uzjRL4EA4m4azUVh +Pg/s6z1EBPRRR+GnsKnX2mm1n+LVAKhT+w60a1Ma/lh6aPes0UDZd/btRRcSw4V b/whKyaZ60uacwjcULtCRtADhj/rdeVM4eog8CR3b+aLExinEGlcynwdnUoqFjBn W+Hzy6bhG2VTP2a79lFlb//CH7qLUpM70t4npAyNTxI3BCniHm2ynN6XY3wrBsot bgFeoA7Sw7wk47AH3Tnp4XoTK5E4X//751H44rUYNtOj1EeTJjCVtvCqfL5Bmckl YmELXS7rudGvUaVHeiZNCiM8Cj4RTcKbt8h0T9SM11tcvgsAYHB+auRZtorqjFkw BoFMhcrcoI/wE6bhMcrt =ey9U -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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January 11, 2015, 04:21:51 AM |
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this just went live it seems... alot of MS coins out now it. this can totally help out small community altcoins.
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February 16, 2015, 03:49:03 PM |
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Title could be updated to show Monetary System is now live Pow mining, trustless crowd funding, stores of value and secure retail vouchers are now all available and, more importantly, being used.
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February 23, 2015, 06:16:09 PM |
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How is MS doing? Any good (or bad) news? I am quite disconnected these days.
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February 23, 2015, 09:39:51 PM |
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How is MS doing? Any good (or bad) news? I am quite disconnected these days.
Wolf0, well known in the the mining world it seems for custom settings/mining software, is quite involved. Check out his posts here or on nxtforum. Also ScripterRon on Nxtforum has written a GPU minter. Seems to be popular with a growing group, I guess speculating on the future value of the 'first mover' MSCoins. If such a thing exists
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Nxt Academy raised 578.232 NXT with a crowdfunding coin on de Monetary System. Crowdfunding on the Nxt blockchain with the monetary system, cool!
You can start from 40NXT to start your own cryptocoin!! Even mining is possible in Nxt Client (CPU).
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