["WAIT LIST"] BFL SC Pre-Order Information (Monarch orders too!)

[Michail1]

if i order a sc single now, aprox when i expect something since i'm going to be at the bottom of the list? 

No real way to know other than you will be last to receive it since you are last on the list.

It's all speculation at this point.

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[K1773R]

Where am I in line and when will my order ship?
We cannot disclose the number of orders we currently have.  Shipping of new units is still anticipated to being late October or early November. We are unable to predict accurate wait times until shipping begins.

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[Azrael_PT]

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[squall1066]

Please see page 1 for important update.

[Korbman]

Best news I've seen all day, and super exciting. Assuming the products will meet their speeds when we get them that is. The Mini Rigs are SOOOO fast now! lol

[fcmatt]

Best news I've seen all day, and super exciting. Assuming the products will meet their speeds when we get them that is. The Mini Rigs are SOOOO fast now! lol

I would be concerned that a product that is supposed to ship so soon can be made faster overnight. Either the chips were made to run that fast or they have not ordered the chips yet. And if made to run that fast why not say so in the first place and tell everyone they will make sure they are stable so the speed could be approx that much.

Or they planned to sell crippled ones and then release better ones....

So confusing.

[Korbman]

I would be concerned that a product that is supposed to ship so soon can be made faster overnight. Either the chips were made to run that fast or they have not ordered the chips yet. And if made to run that fast why not say so in the first place and tell everyone they will make sure they are stable so the speed could be approx that much.

Or they planned to sell crippled ones and then release better ones....

So confusing.

Chances are it was already a 'fast' chip, but you don't go around updating everyone on it until it's been thoroughly tested. Given they're probably nearing the end of the product development cycle, updating their website (and us on the forums) with "new" technical information seems very plausible.

And having various speed "tiers" for chips seems quite likely as well. Look at what Intel or AMD do for their CPUs...some chips can be exactly the same, but are factory clocked at certain GHz for various price points.

[fcmatt]

I would be concerned that a product that is supposed to ship so soon can be made faster overnight. Either the chips were made to run that fast or they have not ordered the chips yet. And if made to run that fast why not say so in the first place and tell everyone they will make sure they are stable so the speed could be approx that much.

Or they planned to sell crippled ones and then release better ones....

So confusing.

Chances are it was already a 'fast' chip, but you don't go around updating everyone on it until it's been thoroughly tested. Given they're probably nearing the end of the product development cycle, updating their website (and us on the forums) with "new" technical information seems very plausible.

And having various speed "tiers" for chips seems quite likely as well. Look at what Intel or AMD do for their CPUs...some chips can be exactly the same, but are factory clocked at certain GHz for various price points.

I have my doubts that BFL has the same capabilities as a intel or amd when it comes to making chips run faster or slower
depending on how they came out of the "oven". But I am no expert and I have no idea on their testing capabilities.

Also any software change takes time. Any board revision takes time. Heck.. anything that strays from anything that was not
planned before could cost BFL weeks based on their last performance of getting products delivered. That is the main concern
I would have as a customer.

[Korbman]

I have my doubts that BFL has the same capabilities as a intel or amd when it comes to making chips run faster or slower
depending on how they came out of the "oven". But I am no expert and I have no idea on their testing capabilities.

Right, but instead of throttling directly on the chip, it's more easily done by regulating how much power the chip gets. Decreasing power is a quick, cheap way of slowing the speed down a notch.

Also any software change takes time. Any board revision takes time. Heck.. anything that strays from anything that was not
planned before could cost BFL weeks based on their last performance of getting products delivered. That is the main concern
I would have as a customer.

Definitely a concern of mine as well. Hopefully things will work out for the better this time around.

[squid]

How can they use firmware to increase speed? Wouldn't this mean that they are simply overclocking it in order to increase the cycles/sec? In order to do that it would require more power.. so then how can say in range of their supposed power specs? I'd love to see a working prototype =/

[SgtSpike]

How can they use firmware to increase speed? Wouldn't this mean that they are simply overclocking it in order to increase the cycles/sec? In order to do that it would require more power.. so then how can say in range of their supposed power specs? I'd love to see a working prototype =/

Picture it this way:  They were underclocked before.

Or, to be more accurate, they were originally designed with the newly-release specs in mind, but BFL underestimated them in order to be certain to overdeliver instead of underdeliver.

[squid]

How can they use firmware to increase speed? Wouldn't this mean that they are simply overclocking it in order to increase the cycles/sec? In order to do that it would require more power.. so then how can say in range of their supposed power specs? I'd love to see a working prototype =/

Picture it this way:  They were underclocked before.

Or, to be more accurate, they were originally designed with the newly-release specs in mind, but BFL underestimated them in order to be certain to overdeliver instead of underdeliver.

Has BFL gone on record that this data is from prototypes or is this all theoretical? I haven't seen a single quote by a BFL that this is actual hardware data and not estimation. Even their original message they were very careful to say something along the lines of "the original intent all along was to increase the rate with firmware should a price war occur". Never did they say that this increase was due to optimization after testing physical hardware.

[SgtSpike]

How can they use firmware to increase speed? Wouldn't this mean that they are simply overclocking it in order to increase the cycles/sec? In order to do that it would require more power.. so then how can say in range of their supposed power specs? I'd love to see a working prototype =/

Picture it this way:  They were underclocked before.

Or, to be more accurate, they were originally designed with the newly-release specs in mind, but BFL underestimated them in order to be certain to overdeliver instead of underdeliver.

Has BFL gone on record that this data is from prototypes or is this all theoretical? I haven't seen a single quote by a BFL that this is actual hardware data and not estimation. Even their original message they were very careful to say something along the lines of "the original intent all along was to increase the rate with firmware should a price war occur". Never did they say that this increase was due to optimization after testing physical hardware.

It's still all theoretical.  Here's the storyline:

1) BFL released specs below what they thought they would be able to achieve, to "be on the safe side".
2) A competitor released specs exceeding BFL's safe-side specs.
3) BFL didn't want to lose the lead of GHash/$$$, so they have now released their full estimated specs.

[Starlightbreaker]

eh, might as well as add mine.

2593 jally 7/1

[MichaelBliss]

8/17/2012 5617 Y,0,1,0,?,?

[MPOE-PR]

Those that adopt ASIC sooner, at a higher price point, may be left with longer ROI periods than those that wait to purchase.

That's what I've been thinking for a while. When BFL first announced preorders, the price per BTC was half what it was today. This means you can buy an ASIC for half what it cost you 3 months ago.

that's why I paid in fiat.

This logic of yours...

If you bought BTC for the same money and sold it today you'd have had enough money for twice your order all the while carrying the same risks as you in fact carried.

You still made a loss.

[jorgen]

Add me to your list, please.

10/04/2012     10127    Y    0    1    0   -   -   Jorgen

[bsdpunk]

Trade In: No
Order No: 6997
1 Jalepeno
Date Paid: 2012 September 1st

[tbcoin]

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10/01/2012     -    N    0    0    1   -   -  tbcoin

[michaelmclees]

08/05/2012    4565    N    1    0    0    -    -    nomorecoin

08/14/2012    5319    N    1    0    0    -    -    nomorecoin

08/24/2012    6186    N    1    0    0    -    -    nomorecoin

Updated:

08/05/2012    4565    N    1 Little Single    -    -    nomorecoin

08/14/2012    5319    N    0    0    0    -    -    nomorecoin

08/24/2012    6186    N    0    0    0    -    -    nomorecoin

08/24/2012    6189    N    0    0    0    -    -    nomorecoin

All Jally's upgraded to 1 SC Little Single

How much did it cost for the upgrade?