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@btchip I have a couple of Nano S on back order and look forward to writing up a hands on review as soon as I receive. I am very comfortable with my Trezors but really need a hardware wallet for Ether, and using more than one brand of hardware wallet never hurts. At $66 buying a Nano S is a no brainer.
I am a big fan of passphrases. I like using a PIN and a passphrase protected seed but realize the secure element used by Ledger is more resistant to brute force attacks, so a passphrase is not essential though the option would be welcome.
Why did Ledger decide to limit PIN to four digits? I bet many users will use the same PIN as one of their credit cards. Increasing the PIN to five digits would be so much more secure. I hate the idea of a thief getting even a one in a thousand chance to guess the PIN.
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June 24, 2016, 10:01:52 AM |
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@btchip I have a couple of Nano S on back order and look forward to writing up a hands on review as soon as I receive. I am very comfortable with my Trezors but really need a hardware wallet for Ether, and using more than one brand of hardware wallet never hurts. At $66 buying a Nano S is a no brainer.
sounds great, thanks I am a big fan of passphrases. I like using a PIN and a passphrase protected seed but realize the secure element used by Ledger is more resistant to brute force attacks, so a passphrase is not essential though the option would be welcome.
we'll very likely support it, it's less a hassle on the Nano S than the Blue because the device stays on longer - so even if the derivation takes a long time (about 11 seconds, we're trying to optimize that, but in the end it's still a 30 MHz M0 vs a 80 MHz M4 for TREZOR/KeepKey) that's acceptable. Why did Ledger decide to limit PIN to four digits? I bet many users will use the same PIN as one of their credit cards. Increasing the PIN to five digits would be so much more secure. I hate the idea of a thief getting even a one in a thousand chance to guess the PIN.
that's pretty arbitrary - it'd be fairly easy to support a dynamic size, especially with no modification on the application logic since everything is done on device. I'll see if we can push this in the first firmware release. |
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June 26, 2016, 01:27:22 AM |
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Why did Ledger decide to limit PIN to four digits? I bet many users will use the same PIN as one of their credit cards. Increasing the PIN to five digits would be so much more secure. I hate the idea of a thief getting even a one in a thousand chance to guess the PIN.
that's pretty arbitrary - it'd be fairly easy to support a dynamic size, especially with no modification on the application logic since everything is done on device. I'll see if we can push this in the first firmware release. Down on the to-do list, any chance of seeing the distress wipe PIN return for the command line script |
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10. HW1 Wallethttp://up.picr.de/21965377ix.pngPrice: 15 Euro Release: released Located in: France Press: http://codinginmysleep.com/hands-on-with-btchips-hw-1/http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/hardwarewallets-hw-1-brings-portable- bitcoin-cold-storage-at-very-low-prices Website: https://buy.hardwarewallet.com/hw1shop/#shop11. Keep Keyhttp://up.picr.de/22601669gi.pngPrice: 99,- USD Release: released Located in: US Press: http://insidebitcoins.com/news/keepkey-a-hardware-bitcoin-wallet-with-oled-screen-and-trezor-compatibility-3/33859Website: http://www.keepkey.com/12. Ledgerhttp://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/ipbitcointalk93b5idwalm.jpgPrice: about 29 - 35 Euro Release: released Located in: France Press: http://www.coindesk.com/ledger-launches-usb-bitcoin-wallet-bank-grade-security/Website: https://www.ledgerwallet.com/Review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_Zdw1f1Los http://www.coindesk.com/review-ledger-wallet-nano-provides-premium-security-budget/13. Ledger Bluehttps://i.imgur.com/kZXtm78.jpgPrice: 129,- EUR Release: Q2/Q3 2016 Located in: France Press: https://medium.com/@Ledger/ledger-introduces-a-secure-portable-and-developer-friendly-hardware-wallet-protected-by-stm-s-tech-13c25b113723Website: https://www.ledgerwallet.com/14. Myceliumhttp://up.picr.de/23992952qz.pngPrice: unknown Release: in development Located in: Austria Press: https://news.bitcoin.com/mycelium-card-network-coming/Website: https://mycelium.com/bitcoincard https://vimeo.com/14588233915. Pi-Wallethttp://up.picr.de/25646705ri.jpgPrice: 125,- € Release: released Located in: Germany Press: - Website: http://www.pi-wallet.com/ 16. Trezorhttps://www.bitcointrezor.com/images/carousel_4.pngPrice: 100 USD Release: released Located in: Czech Republic Press: http://www.coindesk.com/review-bitcoin-vault-trezor-lives-name/http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/04/20/hands-on-review-with-trezor-the-bitcoin-hardware-wallet/Website: https://www.bitcointrezor.com/Review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggVKVmcmflk https://www.coingecko.com/buzz/trezor-bitcoin-hardware-wallet-review---------- Improvement proposals? Infos? Updates?  |
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btchip
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June 26, 2016, 12:56:32 PM |
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Why did Ledger decide to limit PIN to four digits? I bet many users will use the same PIN as one of their credit cards. Increasing the PIN to five digits would be so much more secure. I hate the idea of a thief getting even a one in a thousand chance to guess the PIN.
that's pretty arbitrary - it'd be fairly easy to support a dynamic size, especially with no modification on the application logic since everything is done on device. I'll see if we can push this in the first firmware release. Down on the to-do list, any chance of seeing the distress wipe PIN return for the command line script Not for the time being, but I think it'd make more sense to support it as an alternate derivation path PIN rather than a wipe PIN when considering reimplementing it. |
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June 26, 2016, 11:44:50 PM |
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Are passphrases supported ?
they are but not enabled yet as the stretching still takes about 10 seconds If passphrase support will be added, can you consider implementing a method to counter potential keylogging on the host computer? Like maybe a scrambled-letter cypher on the Ledger's screen that changes each time? |
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June 27, 2016, 01:39:07 AM |
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I pre-ordered a Ledger Nano S and am looking forward to see it's potential, whether it can compete with Trezor and KeepKey. It is to some extent "budget friendly" comparing with other options as mentioned above.
Previously I was a customer of Ledger HW.1 and I was satisfied with the product and it's overall usage, but I have a few request, which if considered updating on firmware of Nano S would be great:
1. Ability to send bitcoins to multiple addresses at the same time which helps to cut down transaction fees. Just like Blockchain.info's multi-send feature.
2. Abillity to sign any addresses generated on my wallet.
3. Ability to directly exchange BTC to ETH and vice versa as an when an user feels safe to do so.
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June 27, 2016, 01:51:18 AM |
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If passphrase support will be added, can you consider implementing a method to counter potential keylogging on the host computer? Like maybe a scrambled-letter cypher on the Ledger's screen that changes each time?
+1 (although I don't know if feasible on S's display) |
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btchip
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June 27, 2016, 01:02:45 PM |
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If passphrase support will be added, can you consider implementing a method to counter potential keylogging on the host computer? Like maybe a scrambled-letter cypher on the Ledger's screen that changes each time?
we could also enter it directly on device - we do that for the recovery, even if the auto completion makes things easier here 1. Ability to send bitcoins to multiple addresses at the same time which helps to cut down transaction fees. Just like Blockchain.info's multi-send feature.
this will be available quickly on the wallet firmware, a bit later on the Chrome application. 2. Abillity to sign any addresses generated on my wallet.
same thing here 3. Ability to directly exchange BTC to ETH and vice versa as an when an user feels safe to do so.
this should typically be done with a wallet integration (for example with Shapeshift), we don't plan to support it in the Chrome application for the time being. |
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June 28, 2016, 09:54:38 AM |
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If passphrase support will be added, can you consider implementing a method to counter potential keylogging on the host computer? Like maybe a scrambled-letter cypher on the Ledger's screen that changes each time?
we could also enter it directly on device - we do that for the recovery, even if the auto completion makes things easier here 1. Ability to send bitcoins to multiple addresses at the same time which helps to cut down transaction fees. Just like Blockchain.info's multi-send feature.
this will be available quickly on the wallet firmware, a bit later on the Chrome application. 2. Abillity to sign any addresses generated on my wallet.
same thing here 3. Ability to directly exchange BTC to ETH and vice versa as an when an user feels safe to do so.
this should typically be done with a wallet integration (for example with Shapeshift), we don't plan to support it in the Chrome application for the time being. Just to confirm, your Nano S does not require the security card? And are you going to come out with any "Limited edition" Nanos, like the HW.1s? |
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June 28, 2016, 02:04:18 PM |
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The screen replaces the security card, you confirm transactions on the Nana S using a button.
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... A little Saturday Humor I just saw at reddit. Hey, if you can't take it to the beach, what can you do?  https://i.imgur.com/vI9QuK0l.jpgHappy 4th! |
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July 30, 2016, 06:15:53 PM |
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I have purchased the Ledger cheapest one but the material looks very cheap, is the Nano S a strong material, do you have any idea if it is water resistant! Ether support is increasing time by time and ledger nano S being the first ethereum hardware wallet makes the ledger more usable! |
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I have purchased the Ledger cheapest one but the material looks very cheap, is the Nano S a strong material, do you have any idea if it is water resistant! Ether support is increasing time by time and ledger nano S being the first ethereum hardware wallet makes the ledger more usable! The new Nano S is substantial. Nor sure what type of plastic the case is made of but the body measures slightly over a quarter inch thick. I doubt dropping it would break it. No idea on water resistance sorry. I suspect the USB port would be the problem with water. This hardware wallet impresses as a very well made product. |
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July 31, 2016, 10:00:24 AM |
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I have purchased the Ledger cheapest one but the material looks very cheap, is the Nano S a strong material, do you have any idea if it is water resistant! Ether support is increasing time by time and ledger nano S being the first ethereum hardware wallet makes the ledger more usable! The new Nano S is substantial. Nor sure what type of plastic the case is made of but the body measures slightly over a quarter inch thick. I doubt dropping it would break it. No idea on water resistance sorry. I suspect the USB port would be the problem with water. This hardware wallet impresses as a very well made product. The price tells the quality in this case, the Ledger Nano S seems a promising hardware wallet, I should upgrade to this one. Is this video made by you  , exactly what we wanted to see, that's awesome that the Nano S is water resistant for at least few minutes but do you have any idea if the Nano S worked after a day or two? |
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July 31, 2016, 10:56:16 AM
Last edit: July 31, 2016, 11:08:01 AM by Indianacoin |
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Good to know that my order of Ledger Nano S has been shipped and is on the way. I will post a short review and first impression about it once it reaches my hand. Voila!  I didn't expect to be that intensively resistant! Of course no one will purposefully dip it as was in the demonstration but the outcome is really fascinating man! Feeling glad to pre-order that beast!  I have purchased the Ledger cheapest one but the material looks very cheap
You did a huge mistake by not buying the Ledger Nano S. It is 100 times better than HW1. Being an HW1 user myself, I can guarantee the fact.  |
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July 31, 2016, 11:00:23 AM |
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Is this video made by you , exactly what we wanted to see, that's awesome that the Nano S is water resistant for at least few minutes but do you have any idea if the Nano S worked after a day or two? it was made by a team member, I believe it would still have been working if hadn't decided to try it with a blender next  it still survived after that but the display shows some weird dimming that we're analyzing. |
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July 31, 2016, 11:19:12 AM |
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Is this video made by you , exactly what we wanted to see, that's awesome that the Nano S is water resistant for at least few minutes but do you have any idea if the Nano S worked after a day or two? it was made by a team member, I believe it would still have been working if hadn't decided to try it with a blender next it still survived after that but the display shows some weird dimming that we're analyzing. Even the latest phone work on water for few minutes but after a while they stop working if they are not water resistant like samsung S7. Anyway the ledger from the video above performs good, if the display is dimmed a bit and still works thats good. I might soon order the nano S, a friend of mine ordered it and after review it I will probably order at September Thanks for the video |
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