why all the hate for the welfare state?

[BADecker]

If you as an individual were a state, wouldn't you like to be well and fair?
I will tell you something, your body is a state - a pinnacle of collaboration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEwjVRxxGE

That's right. And to state it further, the only way a government or state works fairly and equitably is when it is written down. This way everyone can look to see if what is being done compares with what is written. The state is a state of mind.

In your body, the government is written down in your genetic code. Your immune system attempts to maintain correct operation in the state of your body.

[BADecker]

Workers don't like their property - their labor that is converted into money - stolen from them. That's what the welfare state does.

The idea of helping the poor, or supporting those who are disabled, is noble. The idea of organizing a welfare state so that the organizers can steal some of the money for themselves even though they give other money to the poor, is criminal.

People are generally compassionate. They will help others who are in need. For those who are in need but haven't been reached by the compassionate, let the organizers request donations rather than creating a welfare state. Some people will always donate.

Removal of the welfare state will get the welfare recipients who don't really need welfare, up off their behinds, and out there working for a living. All the rest of us will get to keep more of what we work for. We will spend some of it on things that we want and need. More jobs will be created. Prosperity will abound.

The welfare state is destroying us.

you say people are compassionate? then why is 40% of the worlds wealth dominated by the 1%

As the government and taxes grow bigger, the inequality grows bigger to the point where we are now where some have a lot and no risk of losing it in the current state of affair while other have not chance of making it. So big government and big taxes are increasing inequality and hurting the poor.

If people were paying less taxes, they would have more money to give away and would give away more

isn't big government an inevitable result of technological advancement?  as technology increases so does technological unemployment. i see a future when we are all government stipends. srs

Big government is inevitable when the people are disarmed, or when the people are ignorant of the dangers of big government.

back too welfare, technological unemployment would cause for a rise in some universal welfare state. where scarcity is evenly distributed among everyone regardless of where they are. we are not separate from nature and with great automation technology, it would make sense   that rational distribution of the wealth is essential to the integrity of the society. without a strong universal basic income we will see greater crime, our prisons and psych wards filled and more problems then is needed

Somewhere someone stated that you could fit all the people in the world on the Isle of Man. The Isle of man has about 220 square miles of land - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_the_Isle_of_Man. The world has about 57,510,000 square miles of land - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_area.

The amount of land that  is out there is great. Let the people go. Get rid of the governments. The people can take care of their governmenting locally, in small groups.

[cryptogeeknext]

If you as an individual were a state, wouldn't you like to be well and fair?
I will tell you something, your body is a state - a pinnacle of collaboration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEwjVRxxGE

That's right. And to state it further, the only way a government or state works fairly and equitably is when it is written down. This way everyone can look to see if what is being done compares with what is written. The state is a state of mind.

In your body, the government is written down in your genetic code. Your immune system attempts to maintain correct operation in the state of your body.

I like it!
Then blockchain becomes our DNA.
Every peer has a full copy of the whole, that's what "created in the image of God" actually means!
Bitcoin is then a reflection of holographic nature of existence. Proof of World system, anyone?
My signature only supports the point

[cryptogeeknext]

The welfare state enables the illuminati to control and manipulate the people

Bitcoin will illuminate illuminati all the way to the bank, central bank that is

[Naer]

Workers don't like their property - their labor that is converted into money - stolen from them. That's what the welfare state does.

The idea of helping the poor, or supporting those who are disabled, is noble. The idea of organizing a welfare state so that the organizers can steal some of the money for themselves even though they give other money to the poor, is criminal.

People are generally compassionate. They will help others who are in need. For those who are in need but haven't been reached by the compassionate, let the organizers request donations rather than creating a welfare state. Some people will always donate.

Removal of the welfare state will get the welfare recipients who don't really need welfare, up off their behinds, and out there working for a living. All the rest of us will get to keep more of what we work for. We will spend some of it on things that we want and need. More jobs will be created. Prosperity will abound.

The welfare state is destroying us.

you say people are compassionate? then why is 40% of the worlds wealth dominated by the 1%

What does the greedy or lucky 1% have to do with the fact that people are generally compassionate? The world's population is estimated at 7.4 billion. One percent of that is 74 million. That's only about 22.5 % of the U.S. population. So, what do the greedy have to do with the compassionate? Here's what. The greedy who happen to have pets, or ranches, or horses, etc., often have a great deal of compassion for their animals. And they would for the world of people as well, if they thought the 99% of the world that isn't wealthy weren't a bunch of greedy b******s who love to sit on their behinds doing nothing except milk the welfare system.

It's about equality. Welfare instills it to some extent. captalism preserves scarcity and in it's natural state is imbalance. are you making the argument that the 99% is greedy? kind of ironic

There isn't any equality. Even identical twins are not equal. Everyone is at least a little different from everyone else. Now think about this that I am going to say. Here it is. "Since everyone is different than everyone else, we are all equal in the sense that we are all different from everyone else." We are all the same in the fact that we are all people. We are all different in almost everything else.

Why should someone get results of the labor of someone else when that labor is taken by force? That's what the welfare state does. And while they are doing it, they, the welfare state people, help themselves to an extra share of the property that they claim to be doling out, even though they don't deserve it.

People don't need the welfare state. They don't need government at all. After all, government and welfare state are made up of people. Most of the time those people simply skim off the top. Since the people are still people without the welfare state or any other government, they can live even better without government and the welfare state leaching off them.

A anarchic society cannot exist for the state is an extention of the free market. They are two sides of the same coin. State social programs are prevalent in nations where public health is in order and there is less crime

[Naer]

The welfare state enables the illuminati to control and manipulate the people

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[johnyj]

If there is no scamming or stealing at grand level, e.g. central banks or communist government taking over of majority of the resources, world will be better

[bigtimespaghetti]

A anarchic society cannot exist for the state is an extention of the free market. They are two sides of the same coin. State social programs are prevalent in nations where public health is in order and there is less crime

I think you need to come back here when you have that neomarxism sorry Zeitgeist out of your system. Been where you are today in the past. You need to learn that Free-market= no coercion. the Zeitgeist is a tempting way to explain the world and wraps up a lot of truth in the mix of it's false logic.

Welfare states as a generalization are prevalent in nations that have undergone significant advances in technology and industry, they are not the cause for the increase in standards of living they are the result of the Free-market creating prosperity that people cynically sorry compassionately redistribute to the bitter end.

I don't actually believe anarchy is even realistic for the next century, but I do believe that redistribution is evil and should be questioned.

[BADecker]

Workers don't like their property - their labor that is converted into money - stolen from them. That's what the welfare state does.

The idea of helping the poor, or supporting those who are disabled, is noble. The idea of organizing a welfare state so that the organizers can steal some of the money for themselves even though they give other money to the poor, is criminal.

People are generally compassionate. They will help others who are in need. For those who are in need but haven't been reached by the compassionate, let the organizers request donations rather than creating a welfare state. Some people will always donate.

Removal of the welfare state will get the welfare recipients who don't really need welfare, up off their behinds, and out there working for a living. All the rest of us will get to keep more of what we work for. We will spend some of it on things that we want and need. More jobs will be created. Prosperity will abound.

The welfare state is destroying us.

you say people are compassionate? then why is 40% of the worlds wealth dominated by the 1%

What does the greedy or lucky 1% have to do with the fact that people are generally compassionate? The world's population is estimated at 7.4 billion. One percent of that is 74 million. That's only about 22.5 % of the U.S. population. So, what do the greedy have to do with the compassionate? Here's what. The greedy who happen to have pets, or ranches, or horses, etc., often have a great deal of compassion for their animals. And they would for the world of people as well, if they thought the 99% of the world that isn't wealthy weren't a bunch of greedy b******s who love to sit on their behinds doing nothing except milk the welfare system.

It's about equality. Welfare instills it to some extent. captalism preserves scarcity and in it's natural state is imbalance. are you making the argument that the 99% is greedy? kind of ironic

There isn't any equality. Even identical twins are not equal. Everyone is at least a little different from everyone else. Now think about this that I am going to say. Here it is. "Since everyone is different than everyone else, we are all equal in the sense that we are all different from everyone else." We are all the same in the fact that we are all people. We are all different in almost everything else.

Why should someone get results of the labor of someone else when that labor is taken by force? That's what the welfare state does. And while they are doing it, they, the welfare state people, help themselves to an extra share of the property that they claim to be doling out, even though they don't deserve it.

People don't need the welfare state. They don't need government at all. After all, government and welfare state are made up of people. Most of the time those people simply skim off the top. Since the people are still people without the welfare state or any other government, they can live even better without government and the welfare state leaching off them.

A anarchic society cannot exist for the state is an extention of the free market. They are two sides of the same coin. State social programs are prevalent in nations where public health is in order and there is less crime

Broadly speaking, this is true. What we have today, even the whole welfare state, comes about because people (for whatever reason) exercise certain aspects of the free market, but not others that they could.

[AllTheBitz]

I think its a necessary evil to instill some form of equality while controlling scarcity through taxation and maintaining the public health of the society. more equal nations have better public health and less crime.

discuss

Because taking other peoples money from hardworking citizens to people that you may disagree with their lifestyle and to be forced to support their lifestyle or go to jail is extortion.

[gogxmagog]

Welfare is grand! Or at least it should be. I think it's actually more like ~$600 monthly for a single adult, plus you have to do job search stuff, unless you can get a doctor to help you fake a disability.
There's people who actually need welfare but thanks to all the geniuses who abused the system for the free money, the tit seems to have largely gone dry.
I don't hate the welfare state, I just hate poor people.

[qs.lab]

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wow!

[Wilikon]

John Stossel - The Wasted War On Poverty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owmgEITaIWw

[picolo]

Welfare is grand! Or at least it should be. I think it's actually more like ~$600 monthly for a single adult, plus you have to do job search stuff, unless you can get a doctor to help you fake a disability.
There's people who actually need welfare but thanks to all the geniuses who abused the system for the free money, the tit seems to have largely gone dry.
I don't hate the welfare state, I just hate poor people.

The welfare state is creating poor people. People try to make the best choices for them, obviously someone registering for welfare instead of working is not doing the best choice long term but if the rules were not here, nobody would think of not working.

[saddampbuh]

welfare was a great idea when the unemployed could claim benefits for a few weeks in between jobs but now we have entire families of mainly ethnic minorities where no one has ever had a job and get their rent and everything paid forever, or providing for pensioners when life expectancy was 65 - 70 but now someone born today has a 1 in 3 chance of living until 100 meaning they can expect to live half their lives as a dependent, the cost of supporting these people has ballooned out of control and is unsustainable

[picolo]

welfare was a great idea when the unemployed could claim benefits for a few weeks in between jobs but now we have entire families of mainly ethnic minorities where no one has ever had a job and get their rent and everything paid forever, or providing for pensioners when life expectancy was 65 - 70 but now someone born today has a 1 in 3 chance of living until 100 meaning they can expect to live half their lives as a dependent, the cost of supporting these people has ballooned out of control and is unsustainable

One of the problem is it's not forever, it's for how long the system will take to collapse

[jjacob]

Providing basic amenities is considered okay.
The problem with "Welfare states" seems to be that they are rewarding laziness.

[picolo]

Providing basic amenities is considered okay.
The problem with "Welfare states" seems to be that they are rewarding laziness.

When you tax something, you are going to war against it. They tax wealth and labor when they should tax not working

[Snail2]

Welfare state positively discriminates all kinds of benefit claimer scum, and punishing its own taxpayers.

[DooMAD]

Rich people want to swim in money like Scrooge McDuck and they can't do that if they have to pay tax, therefore welfare is evil.  

The war on welfare is yet another symptom of neo-classical numerical illiteracy.  They don't understand the simple fact that people with low or no incomes will need to spend their money back into the economy out of necessity.  They're not collecting money to sit in a savings account.  They buy food, clothing and keep a roof over their heads and there's little else they can afford.  Unlike the wealthy who are sitting on piles of money in the bank, which does nothing for the economy except benefit the finance sector.  The only people against welfare are the ones who begrudge having money they're not actually using being forced back into circulation through taxation.  These are the same people against concepts like the living wage.  

Simple logic, 10 million people can spend 1 dollar faster than one person can spend 10 million dollars.  I bet in the short time it took me to write this, more than 10 million people somewhere in the world have just spent a dollar back into their respective economies.  The more multi-millionaires our broken system creates, hoarding their wealth, the faster it all crashes and burns.  The only thing you achieve by creating more poor people is a faster slide into depression.  Prosperity only works if you don't leave people behind.  Stop being financially illiterate.