why all the hate for the welfare state?

[BADecker]

From near the end of the movie Sahara:

Dirk: Hey, Al?

Al: Yeah.

Dirk: What would you do if you were about to be exposed as the worst polluter of modern times?

Al: I dunno. Run for President?

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I mean, how did Obama win? He promised, then gave, the biggest welfare state ever. We recipients like it now, but when it collapses, things will be worse than a toxic waste plant meltdown. Just a little nudge more, and Chicago will look like Detroit.

[DooMAD]

I mean, how did Obama win? He promised, then gave, the biggest welfare state ever. We recipients like it now, but when it collapses, things will be worse than a toxic waste plant meltdown. Just a little nudge more, and Chicago will look like Detroit.

Because clearly that's the root cause of all your economic problems.  When the collapse comes, it definitely has nothing to do with inequality, military spending, foreign policy, financial deregulation, market manipulations and corrupt banks.  It was just welfare that ruined everything.  //EDIT:     (adding rolleyes for clarity in case sarcasm wasn't obvious)

When did the world get so gormless?  

[picolo]

I mean, how did Obama win? He promised, then gave, the biggest welfare state ever. We recipients like it now, but when it collapses, things will be worse than a toxic waste plant meltdown. Just a little nudge more, and Chicago will look like Detroit.

Because clearly that's the root cause of all your economic problems.  When the collapse comes, it definitely has nothing to do with inequality, military spending, foreign policy, financial deregulation, market manipulations and corrupt banks.  It was just welfare that ruined everything. 

When did the world get so gormless?   

Financial regulation is regulation made for the banks and good for big banks but bad for the clients and for competition.

The welfare state is giving more and more but the state has to go into debt to give. It is crazy and unsustainable.

[BADecker]

I mean, how did Obama win? He promised, then gave, the biggest welfare state ever. We recipients like it now, but when it collapses, things will be worse than a toxic waste plant meltdown. Just a little nudge more, and Chicago will look like Detroit.

Because clearly that's the root cause of all your economic problems.  When the collapse comes, it definitely has nothing to do with inequality, military spending, foreign policy, financial deregulation, market manipulations and corrupt banks.  It was just welfare that ruined everything. 

When did the world get so gormless?   

Financial regulation is regulation made for the banks and good for big banks but bad for the clients and for competition.

The welfare state is giving more and more but the state has to go into debt to give. It is crazy and unsustainable.

As money buys less and less these days, even so it is money that is losing its value, not the commodities it buys. That's why there is value in Bitcoin. The drop in money value will continue untill it is destroyed.

Money is good to have as a method for making trading easy. We need Bitcoin so that the trading can't be easily controlled by some central authority like the banks. At this stage of the game, even if Bitcoin were controlled, the banks need some viable competition to bring prices down. On the other hand, maybe we should simply let the banks fail altogether.

[picolo]

I mean, how did Obama win? He promised, then gave, the biggest welfare state ever. We recipients like it now, but when it collapses, things will be worse than a toxic waste plant meltdown. Just a little nudge more, and Chicago will look like Detroit.

Because clearly that's the root cause of all your economic problems.  When the collapse comes, it definitely has nothing to do with inequality, military spending, foreign policy, financial deregulation, market manipulations and corrupt banks.  It was just welfare that ruined everything.  

When did the world get so gormless?  

Financial regulation is regulation made for the banks and good for big banks but bad for the clients and for competition.

The welfare state is giving more and more but the state has to go into debt to give. It is crazy and unsustainable.

As money buys less and less these days, even so it is money that is losing its value, not the commodities it buys. That's why there is value in Bitcoin. The drop in money value will continue untill it is destroyed.

Money is good to have as a method for making trading easy. We need Bitcoin so that the trading can't be easily controlled by some central authority like the banks. At this stage of the game, even if Bitcoin were controlled, the banks need some viable competition to bring prices down. On the other hand, maybe we should simply let the banks fail altogether.

I think the banks can integrate bitcoins rather than Bitcoin will make them all fail. They are facilitators, market makers and liquidity providers, their skills may still be needed but we can expect not to have the same system of big banks linked to the government in a new free world.

[BADecker]

I mean, how did Obama win? He promised, then gave, the biggest welfare state ever. We recipients like it now, but when it collapses, things will be worse than a toxic waste plant meltdown. Just a little nudge more, and Chicago will look like Detroit.

Because clearly that's the root cause of all your economic problems.  When the collapse comes, it definitely has nothing to do with inequality, military spending, foreign policy, financial deregulation, market manipulations and corrupt banks.  It was just welfare that ruined everything.  

When did the world get so gormless?  

Financial regulation is regulation made for the banks and good for big banks but bad for the clients and for competition.

The welfare state is giving more and more but the state has to go into debt to give. It is crazy and unsustainable.

As money buys less and less these days, even so it is money that is losing its value, not the commodities it buys. That's why there is value in Bitcoin. The drop in money value will continue untill it is destroyed.

Money is good to have as a method for making trading easy. We need Bitcoin so that the trading can't be easily controlled by some central authority like the banks. At this stage of the game, even if Bitcoin were controlled, the banks need some viable competition to bring prices down. On the other hand, maybe we should simply let the banks fail altogether.

I think the banks can integrate bitcoins rather than Bitcoin will make them all fail. They are facilitators, market makers and liquidity providers, their skills may still be needed but we can expect not to have the same system of big banks linked to the government in a new free world.

I don't disagree. But the thing that you are really saying is that people will wind up giving their information to the banks anyway. That means that Bitcoin will become almost useless, except for the reduced fee aspect in some cases. People don't understand the potential of what they have in Bitcoin.

[picolo]

I mean, how did Obama win? He promised, then gave, the biggest welfare state ever. We recipients like it now, but when it collapses, things will be worse than a toxic waste plant meltdown. Just a little nudge more, and Chicago will look like Detroit.

Because clearly that's the root cause of all your economic problems.  When the collapse comes, it definitely has nothing to do with inequality, military spending, foreign policy, financial deregulation, market manipulations and corrupt banks.  It was just welfare that ruined everything.  

When did the world get so gormless?  

Financial regulation is regulation made for the banks and good for big banks but bad for the clients and for competition.

The welfare state is giving more and more but the state has to go into debt to give. It is crazy and unsustainable.

As money buys less and less these days, even so it is money that is losing its value, not the commodities it buys. That's why there is value in Bitcoin. The drop in money value will continue untill it is destroyed.

Money is good to have as a method for making trading easy. We need Bitcoin so that the trading can't be easily controlled by some central authority like the banks. At this stage of the game, even if Bitcoin were controlled, the banks need some viable competition to bring prices down. On the other hand, maybe we should simply let the banks fail altogether.

I think the banks can integrate bitcoins rather than Bitcoin will make them all fail. They are facilitators, market makers and liquidity providers, their skills may still be needed but we can expect not to have the same system of big banks linked to the government in a new free world.

I don't disagree. But the thing that you are really saying is that people will wind up giving their information to the banks anyway. That means that Bitcoin will become almost useless, except for the reduced fee aspect in some cases. People don't understand the potential of what they have in Bitcoin.

Bitcoin will not be useless if you can still store it yourself but banks are involved too.

[Spendulus]

I mean, how did Obama win? He promised, then gave, the biggest welfare state ever. We recipients like it now, but when it collapses, things will be worse than a toxic waste plant meltdown. Just a little nudge more, and Chicago will look like Detroit.

Because clearly that's the root cause of all your economic problems.  When the collapse comes, it definitely has nothing to do with inequality, military spending, foreign policy, financial deregulation, market manipulations and corrupt banks.  It was just welfare that ruined everything. 

When did the world get so gormless?   

This predicts a single cause for a single huge event.

All the other causes will be very unhappy that they were not invited to the party.

Why are you so mean?

[DooMAD]

I mean, how did Obama win? He promised, then gave, the biggest welfare state ever. We recipients like it now, but when it collapses, things will be worse than a toxic waste plant meltdown. Just a little nudge more, and Chicago will look like Detroit.

Because clearly that's the root cause of all your economic problems.  When the collapse comes, it definitely has nothing to do with inequality, military spending, foreign policy, financial deregulation, market manipulations and corrupt banks.  It was just welfare that ruined everything.  

When did the world get so gormless?  

This predicts a single cause for a single huge event.

All the other causes will be very unhappy that they were not invited to the party.

Why are you so mean?

Can't tell if the sarcasm was lost in my post somehow.  I don't think there's a single cause and even if there was it definitely isn't welfare.  There are likely dozens of causes, but lately all the scaremongering and scapegoating is on things like welfare and immigration and I'm sick of hearing it.  

[TrailingComet]

while a safety net is just and moral, most welfare states are poor;y designed and subsidise the lazy at the expense of the productive

[contagion]

Rich people want to swim in money like Scrooge McDuck and they can't do that if they have to pay tax, therefore welfare is evil.  

The war on welfare is yet another symptom of neo-classical numerical illiteracy.  They don't understand the simple fact that people with low or no incomes will need to spend their money back into the economy out of necessity...

Jealously stole your intellect.

I mean, how did Obama win? He promised, then gave, the biggest welfare state ever. We recipients like it now, but when it collapses, things will be worse than a toxic waste plant meltdown. Just a little nudge more, and Chicago will look like Detroit.

Because clearly that's the root cause of all your economic problems.  When the collapse comes, it definitely has nothing to do with inequality, military spending, foreign policy, financial deregulation, market manipulations and corrupt banks.  It was just welfare that ruined everything.  

When did the world get so gormless?  

This predicts a single cause for a single huge event.

All the other causes will be very unhappy that they were not invited to the party.

Why are you so mean?

Can't tell if the sarcasm was lost in my post somehow.  I don't think there's a single cause and even if there was it definitely isn't welfare.  There are likely dozens of causes, but lately all the scaremongering and scapegoating is on things like welfare and immigration and I'm sick of hearing it.  

Hey INSANE socialist pig idiot, GET A FUCKING CLUE:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=365141.msg9975573#msg9975573

Here is a small excerpt:

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Btw, Spain even taxes sunlight if you use solar panels.

And both Obama and France want to add a 16% tax on your internet use.

The system will continue to worsen until it expropriates every thing, which is exactly what causes 600 year Dark Ages, unless humanity finds a way to break out of the political inertia that holds the system together, i.e. the welfare and pension State where many people are dependent on the State.

Make sure you understand the IRON LAW of Political Economics (a.k.a. of Resource Statism).

Dependence (and welfare and pension dependents on the State) on the top-down does not optimize, rather it devolves every damn time since Mesopotamia. The definition of insanity is doing the same damn thing over and over again and expecting a different result (or continuing to make excuses and be in denial about the generative essence of the outcome).

[DooMAD]

Hey INSANE socialist pig idiot, GET A FUCKING CLUE:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=365141.msg9975573#msg9975573

Here is a small excerpt:

...

Btw, Spain even taxes sunlight if you use solar panels.

And both Obama and France want to add a 16% tax on your internet use.

The system will continue to worsen until it expropriates every thing, which is exactly what causes 600 year Dark Ages, unless humanity finds a way to break out of the political inertia that holds the system together, i.e. the welfare and pension State where many people are dependent on the State.

Make sure you understand the IRON LAW of Political Economics (a.k.a. of Resource Statism).

Post boils down to "I can list some extreme examples of taxation which in my backwards brain proves that all taxation is bad".  Shut up and pay your taxes, neo-lib.  Better yet, develop a serious health condition which leaves you unable to do your job and then let's see you bitch about welfare.  I'm guessing your world view basically equates to "fuck the poor".  

The definition of insanity is doing the same damn thing over and over again and expecting a different result (or continuing to make excuses and be in denial about the generative essence of the outcome).

So we should keep making sure that all the money ends up in the hands of those who already have the most?  The insane thing to do is to carry on down that path and keep concentrating wealth in the hands of those who aren't spending it back into the economy.  

People don't spend money -> economy stagnates -> greater inequality -> people spend even less money -> cycle continues and worsens.

Learn basic numeracy, please.

[contagion]

Rich people want to swim in money like Scrooge McDuck and they can't do that if they have to pay tax, therefore welfare is evil.  

Jealously stole your intellect.

Hey INSANE socialist pig idiot, GET A FUCKING CLUE:

Make sure you understand the IRON LAW of Political Economics (a.k.a. of Resource Statism).

Post boils down to "I can list some extreme examples of taxation which in my backwards brain proves that all taxation is bad".  Shut up and pay your taxes, neo-lib.

The salient point flew right over those loose rocks inside your cranium, that collectivized systems don't converge (i.e. don't optimize, a.k.a. no feedback loop stabilization) and instead diverge to megadeath every damn time over and over throughout history since Mesopotamia. Non-convergence has nothing to do with the specific examples of tax levels at any given stage of the divergence of collectivism along the way to its repeating horrific end game.

Even your feeble attempt at an obfuscatory rebuttal is factually incorrect. The insane tax levels I linked to (which exceed 19.5% limit of Hauser's Law) apply to the average worker in the nations of the world.

Better yet, develop a serious health condition which leaves you unable to do your job and then let's see you bitch about welfare.

I have a very serious health problem of an incurable HPV virus that after 8 years has led to a worsening and debilitating neuropathy and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, with high probability of throat or head cancer. And I don't rely on any health insurance whatsoever, nor do I receive any welfare whatsoever. Nor am I wealthy any more, and I have to work to support myself while also being blind in one eye since 1999 and approaching 50 years of age.

Go whine to your mother you immature useless blob.

Perhaps you are one of those many foreigners over here in the Philippines who are living on fraudulent disability welfare.

I'm guessing your world view basically equates to "fuck the poor".  

Even I have no income lately and my savings is dwindling, I do still help the poor.

When your fucking government is done stealing and pilfering all the resources of the world, there will be nothing left to give to the poor. That is why socialism results in megadeath every damn time. But you are not a student of history.

The "stealing for the poor" can not be orthogonal to the "stealing for the banksters, perpetual wars, ...". Until you understand that IRON LAW, then you will continue your nonsense thinking.

The definition of insanity is doing the same damn thing over and over again and expecting a different result (or continuing to make excuses and be in denial about the generative essence of the outcome).

So we should keep making sure that all the money ends up in the hands of those who already have the most?  The insane thing to do is to carry on down that path and keep concentrating wealth in the hands of those who aren't spending it back into the economy.

Why don't you understand that the "1%" is the middle class? It is all a lie. The fact is the middle class is being destroyed and society is again headed towards the usual megadeath.

Learn basic numeracy, please.

Learn how to separate propaganda from reality.

In the meatime, you and this other propagandist have the same context...

...

Let me make sure you haven't lost the context:

You do realize that the intelligent Libertarian (or Anarchist) readers know by now that you are a Dunning-Kruger doofus.  The more you go on, the more obvious it is for more readers.

I know socialist pigs will lie to keep their propaganda alive. Always entertaining though.

[DooMAD]

When your fucking government is done stealing and pilfering all the resources of the world, there will be nothing left to give to the poor. That is why socialism results in megadeath every damn time. But you are not a student of history.

The "stealing for the poor" can not be orthogonal to the "stealing for the banksters, perpetual wars, ...". Until you understand that IRON LAW, then you will continue your nonsense thinking.

Bottom line is this, socialism in it's most extremist form is bad, as is extremism in all it's guises.  There's a balance to be struck, I'll meet you half way there.  But there needs to be a safety net when the system is designed to transfer money from the bottom to the top.  We both appear to agree that that's where the money flows.  You seem to be of the impression that it's entirely the fault of government, but that simply isn't the case.  I'll concede there are numerous problems with our current form of governance, mostly surrounding things like lobbying, which I think you'll find capitalists are quite fond of.  Despite all the noble mantra about true capitalism being a level playing field, at the first chance they get they want to change the law to suit their particular business model to gain an unfair advantage over the competition.  The money flows to the top and everyone else gets left behind.  Capitalism isn't capitalism.  That's the problem, so stop blaming welfare and taxation.

[BADecker]

Actually, the welfare state is good right now. Why? Because the fiat currencies of the world are going to collapse the whole thing anyway, if only by the implosion of their bubbles.

The welfare state is good right now, because it invites many little people to get onto welfare. If the little people are smart, they will use whatever welfare they get to buy things like land, gold, silver, and Bitcoin. Then, once they are set, who cares if the fiats crash the world.

The problem is, most of the little people on welfare won't understand this, and will never prepare. But for those of us who have a little foresight, we have the chance to prepare using the welfare state funds that we can get.

[contagion]

The salient point flew right over those loose rocks inside your cranium, that collectivized systems don't converge (i.e. don't optimize, a.k.a. no feedback loop stabilization) and instead diverge to megadeath every damn time over and over throughout history since Mesopotamia...

The "stealing for the poor" can not be orthogonal to the "stealing for the banksters, perpetual wars, ...". Until you understand that IRON LAW, then you will continue your nonsense thinking.

...socialism in it's most extremist form is bad...Capitalism isn't capitalism.  That's the problem, so stop blaming welfare and taxation.

DooMAD doesn't have the intellectual capacity to understand the point I made. Collectivized systems have always been and will always be corrupt. 6000 years of history says that is the normal and only mode — there are no exceptions. There is no possible way to do collectivized welfare that isn't tied into the overall corruption of collectivism. And this corruption of collectivism has no corrective feedback loop. The corruption only ends when the cancer has destroyed the host. Rinse. Reset. Repeat.

The welfare state is good right now, because it invites many little people to get onto welfare. If the little people are smart, they will use whatever welfare they get to buy things like land, gold, silver, and Bitcoin. Then, once they are set, who cares if the fiats crash the world.

You are also not a student of history and reality. When the deflationary collapse ensues 2016 - 2024, the State murders the citizens. There is always a cost to be paid for that misallocation of resources. No one walks away unscathed, including yourself.

All this whining about the poor makes me want to puke, given the poor today have higher standard of living than Kings of yore.

12 yr. old girl allowed to die by mother's mercy

This story makes me feel so lucky to have the life I have in spite of my battle with neuropathy, HPV, blinded in one eye, financial troubles, career troubles, etc..

All the probably near constant pain this little girl had to endure with no hope, yet there is one pic of her smile.

http://www.kidspot.com.au/a-little-girl-allowed-to-die/

Maybe that is a good reflection for all of us on how blessed we are.

[DooMAD]

Contagion just can't face that fact that corruption can and does exist in capitalism.  Good thing he has no say on how the world works.  It would be a pretty bleak place if it only rewarded people who want to take, take, take their whole lives without giving anything back because they think taxation is somehow tantamount to theft.  Not much point in arguing further, since it's obvious he's not going to budge from his view.

I've never begrudged paying tax and I never will.  If you want to live in a world without public services and welfare, kindly go live in a cave on some remote island somewhere.  You can take as much as you want, but you'll find that won't be much when there's no one else to take from.  Greed is such a primitive emotion.  I'd have thought the world would be a little more enlightened by this point.

[BADecker]

Contagion just can't face that fact that corruption can and does exist in capitalism.  Good thing he has no say on how the world works.  It would be a pretty bleak place if it only rewarded people who want to take, take, take their whole lives without giving anything back because they think taxation is somehow tantamount to theft.  Not much point in arguing further, since it's obvious he's not going to budge from his view.

I've never begrudged paying tax and I never will.  If you want to live in a world without public services and welfare, kindly go live in a cave on some remote island somewhere.  You can take as much as you want, but you'll find that won't be much when there's no one else to take from.  Greed is such a primitive emotion.  I'd have thought the world would be a little more enlightened by this point.

On the other hand, often the smart people - those smart enough to get rich - recognize that it is through giving as well as taking that one truly becomes wealthy. And this not only in personal philosophy, but also in the riches of the world.

Those who enslave you make you their enemy. Why? Because everybody wants freedom. Those who maintain your freedom, and help it to be maintained for you when you are weak, are the ones you would be more likely to revere.

Smart wealthy people maintain fairness and a giving attitude in all their dealings. Super-smart wealthy do this while keeping idiots from wrecking their lives through foolishness... and they do it without the foolish even realizing that it is being done to them. The few "ultra-smart" people that there are, are the ones who have become wealthy, and then given it all away. They don't even have the pressures that wealth so often brings.

Now, take a look at the people in authority. Compare them with the previous paragraph.

I, on the other hand, would simply show you how to get rid of the welfare state out of your life. You do it by filling yourself up on the info here http://1215.org/, and by learning all the practical application information from Karl Lentz that you can - http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Karl-Lentz.html.

[contagion]

Contagion just can't face that fact that corruption can and does exist in capitalism.  Good thing he has no say on how the world works.  It would be a pretty bleak place if it only rewarded people who want to take, take, take their whole lives without giving anything back because they think taxation is somehow tantamount to theft.  Not much point in arguing further, since it's obvious he's not going to budge from his view.

I've never begrudged paying tax and I never will.  If you want to live in a world without public services and welfare, kindly go live in a cave on some remote island somewhere.  You can take as much as you want, but you'll find that won't be much when there's no one else to take from.  Greed is such a primitive emotion.  I'd have thought the world would be a little more enlightened by this point.

Hey idiot, you still didn't get the point.

Most reasonable people are not against paying say 19% taxes to help the most indigent. But everyone is against paying 100%. The problem is a commons can never stay at 19%, because of the game theory of the Tragedy of the Commons. This is fundamental and very easy for someone with 120+ IQ to understand. You are lacking in IQ.

The antithesis of capitalism is communism. In communism, everyone owns 100%. This is a Tragedy of the Commons and thus communism is an abject failure because everyone wants to leech off the commons.

Collectivism is a commons. It isn't capitalism (which is not a commons) which is causing the leeching.

For example, the banksters keep buying off the politicians and regulators so they can go gamble with fractional reserves and derivatives, then they force the government to bail them out, putting the $trillion bailouts cost on the commons. It is the existence of a commons which provides the capital resource to fund this corruption. If there was no commons taxation, then the banksters would have no resource to expropriate. The Tragedy of the Commons is the problem, dimwit. There is no way to have a commons for welfare without also making the commons available to the banksters. You say regulate the banksters? But they can buy off the regulators, because the commons provides this huge resource to fund their bribes. You see everyone is leeching off the commons. Where there is honey (the commons), the flies will congregate.

Don't make me teach this to you again. Idiot!

You carry on with your brain dead thinking. It will serve you very well in the global collapse which will take all of your wealth starting in 2016. Then you can learn what a Tragedy of the Commons really is. I guess all the way to your grave in the coming Nazi concentration camps you will still be thinking capitalism murdered you.

http://www.stonemarmot.com/rantrave/rantscap.html

Why People Hate Capitalism

By Bruce of Stone Marmot

June 27, 2008

Capitalism is the most democratic economic system there is, for every time you spend a dollar, or refrain from spending a dollar, you are casting a vote. That is why so many people hate capitalism, because, with capitalism, the world people live in is the sum total result of each of their individual actions. In other words, capitalism makes people responsible for their own actions, whether they like it or not.

Most people subscribe to a different philosophy, a philosophy that is common to Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives, blacks and whites, Christians and Moslems and Jews, environmentalists and industrialists, virtually every social-political group you can think of. That common philosophy is scapegoatism, which basically states that all the world's problems are someone else's fault.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/11/marxism-is-a-dead-idea-but-capitalism-freedom-has-never-truly-existed/

Marxism is a Dead Idea But Capitalism (Freedom) has Never Truly Existed

The Socialists argue that we actually have a free market economy called capitalism and that is the reason for the economic downturns. They assume we can create an economic flat-line they call socialism/communism. Anything that booms and busts they call capitalism. The real question is when have we EVER had free markets and Capitalism without someone trying to regulate and manipulate the opposite side – labor or capital?

During the very early emergence of society coming out of the dark ages when we were abandoning serfdom, for a brief shining moment after the Black Plague or Death of the 14th century, capitalism may have existed for less than a year. Other than that, both sides (labor & capital) have been trying to regulate and manipulate the other ever since so there really has never been a free market that socialists seem to hate so much.

Adam Smith’s Invisible Hand was against the French Physiocrats who tried to reason that “wealth” was only agriculture and the blacksmith making products to sell to the farmer was a parasite living off of the wealth created by the farmer. Smith in his Wealth of Nations said that was wrong. Everyone combined through their individual productivity creates the wealth of the nation.

[criptix]

the tax list contaigon quoted was bullshit, average taxation of 47,5% in germany?  

by chance im living in germany for a long long time now and the max income tax is 45% tax if you earn 250,000+ € per year my friend.
its definitely not the average taxation of a worker in germany.

the average income tax a german has to pay is around 20%

/edit

its really weird that i see nowhere else so much newbie accounts posting... not even the altcoin section has so much newbies keep spreading lies

This story makes me feel so lucky to have the life I have in spite of my battle with neuropathy, HPV, blinded in one eye, financial troubles, career troubles, etc..

you should seek help in form of a medical and psychological treatment instead of blaming welfare on bitcointalk.org
if you even live in a land that provides welfare, this is the perfect moment to take use of it.