Who put VOd on such a high horse?

[takagari]

So suddenly I have a bad rating due to a post from March, that suddenly VOD decides to rep me on for lieing about my postal code.

No proof, no asking me anything. simply state's I've lied about my postal code and walks away.

Some tread in his sig about neg feedback for noobs and a one month cooling off period?

Seriously?

So now I need to prove to some random guy who from his feedback rating's seems to be on a witch hunt. for doing nothing but asking to buy a hulu account.
Which leaves me with a login and I'd of paid bitcoin... So ZERO risk to anyone helping me.

Guy's like that really do piss me off.

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[michaeladair]

He done climbed up on his horse by himself. Have you tried to talk to him?

[takagari]

He done climbed up on his horse by himself. Have you tried to talk to him?

Sent two pm's.

But frankly I'm unsure why I should have to talk to him.

I simply stated I can't do the hulu credit card "hack" as my postal code has 000 in it.
and he declares that I'm lieing..

GOD forbid my postal code is something like R0E 0K0... Or wait...

Sorry, but this is the basic equivalent of a person walking up to you in a crowded building and yelling "Hey pretty sure this guy's here to rob you and lie, not sure but possibly!" than walking away. without ever having met you. So It's a bit of a piss off.
and looking at his trader history, seems he runs around the forums doing this.
Why he suddenly pulled up a thread from March though?

[applesRyummy]

I have to say this is one of Vod's stranger negative ratings. I think it was pretty clear why you were lying about your postal code, eg in order to use a service you would otherwise be unable to use.

Your overall trust is still positive so you wont have a trade with caution warning. When people look at your trust I don't think they would be concerned about trading with you because of what they said.

I would be interested to see what he says about why he gave this rating

[takagari]

I have to say this is one of Vod's stranger negative ratings. I think it was pretty clear why you were lying about your postal code, eg in order to use a service you would otherwise be unable to use.

Your overall trust is still positive so you wont have a trade with caution warning. When people look at your trust I don't think they would be concerned about trading with you because of what they said.

I would be interested to see what he says about why he gave this rating

I'm aware it won't come up but it's still there.
and I never stated my postal code, only that it contained 000, maybe he assumed no such postal codes exist in Canada?
Or for some other reason. I was simply trying to get a Hulu account from Canada

[TECSHARE]

The standard for leaving negative trust here on the forums has become dangerously low because of people like VOD running around "scambusting", but in reality just accusing anyone with little or no evidence and ruining their reputations preemptively. Is this not what neutral ratings were created for? This kind of behavior is not only pissing off new users and driving them away, but turning them into disgruntled trolls or scammers. Additionally this is the REAL driver for everyone's discontent with the abuse of the trust system, but in stead of cracking down on such frivolous use of the trust system the staff would rather just burn trusted members at the first accusation they receive to make it appear as if they don't tolerate such abuse when they clearly do. This kind of activity is extremely destructive to this community and does little to nothing to stop actual scams. How many valid accusations have to be lodged against VOD before his actions are checked? A dozen? Three dozen? Of course you can always just keep throwing trusted users into the witch hunt fire and pretend like this didn't happen yet again.

[takagari]

Well the guy has left a dozen feedbacks in the last few day's.
So it seems he has no life.

I'm unsure why the mod and admin team leave this so open.
Someone should not be allowed to leave feedback, good bad or neutral without having done a deal or been involved with a person.

He never even comment on the thread.

And posting a neutral that says "beware" is no better than leaving a negative.

[TECSHARE]

Well the guy has left a dozen feedbacks in the last few day's.
So it seems he has no life.

I'm unsure why the mod and admin team leave this so open.
Someone should not be allowed to leave feedback, good bad or neutral without having done a deal or been involved with a person.

He never even comment on the thread.

And posting a neutral that says "beware" is no better than leaving a negative.

At least a neutral will not turn your rating red and make everyone assume you are a scammer instantly.

[hilariousandco]

I have to say this is one of Vod's stranger negative ratings. I think it was pretty clear why you were lying about your postal code, eg in order to use a service you would otherwise be unable to use.

Yeah, this negative seems overkill here. A neutral at most but even that seems unnecessary. I'm sure vod will remove it.

I'm unsure why the mod and admin team leave this so open.
Someone should not be allowed to leave feedback, good bad or neutral without having done a deal or been involved with a person.

So scammers have to successfully scam before they get negative? That's not going to stop anyone from getting scammed, but people need to make sure there's reasonable evidence or behavior of a scam or fraud etc before they leave feedback.

[takagari]

I have to say this is one of Vod's stranger negative ratings. I think it was pretty clear why you were lying about your postal code, eg in order to use a service you would otherwise be unable to use.

Yeah, this negative seems overkill here. A neutral at most but even that seems unnecessary. I'm sure vod will remove it.

I'm unsure why the mod and admin team leave this so open.
Someone should not be allowed to leave feedback, good bad or neutral without having done a deal or been involved with a person.

So scammers have to successfully scam before they get negative? That's not going to stop anyone from getting scammed, but people need to make sure there's reasonable evidence or behavior of a scam or fraud etc before they leave feedback.

Well sometimes yes, user's should be able to pick up on the common things.
But I can agree flagging posts which clearly look like a scam isn't a bad idea. So it has it's room, but He seems to only visit the forums for this reason.

[Lethn]

While he's certainly caught quite a high number of potential scammers with a number of them complaining on the board, dare I ask why you were wanting to buy a Hulu account and why did you feel the need to lie about your post code if you were actually going to use it? I'm a great believer in innocent until proven guilty and I understand not wanting to give out real information on a purely digital transaction, I regularly fake my details for that and provide misleading information because in reality the company or person has no reason to require it. However there are some really shifty fuckers around here who always like to play innnocent and blame the victims in an attempt to manipulate people so don't be offended if I haven't immediately sided with you.

[takagari]

While he's certainly caught quite a high number of potential scammers with a number of them complaining on the board, dare I ask why you were wanting to buy a Hulu account and why did you feel the need to lie about your post code if you were actually going to use it? I'm a great believer in innocent until proven guilty and I understand not wanting to give out real information on a purely digital transaction, I regularly fake my details for that and provide misleading information because in reality the company or person has no reason to require it. However there are some really shifty fuckers around here who always like to play innnocent and blame the victims in an attempt to manipulate people so don't be offended if I haven't immediately sided with you.

I'm unsure where inlied about a god damn thing?

There's a method where you remove the letters from your real postal code and use your Canadian credit card.
you add two zeroes.

My postal.code is r0e0k0
If I remove the letters I get 000 if I add two more zeros.
I get 00000

Which won't work, so I was asking to buy an account with bitcoin from someone.
I simply made the statement to show I already tried my own credit card

But please, tell me where I lied to anyone or misrepresented my postal code or any anything else.

I simply said it didn't work as my postal code had 000

[Lethn]

Chances are then it will be due to which country or area you are from since all these 'official' streaming sites have incredibly stupid licensing laws, I recommend going through some proxies and use torrent sites instead if you're talking about the hulu service I'm thinking of. As for asking someone else to put their details on an account for you regardless of paying them Bitcoin that's dodgy as fuck and fraud, if something happens not only will it be pointless contacting support you could also get the person who registered you in trouble as well because they will have faked identities.

You're asking for a hell of a lot of unnecessary trouble for even bothering to come up with this.

[takagari]

using a vpn is not dodgy
the method i used is detailed here
http://support.unblock-us.com/customer/portal/articles/291534-i-do-not-have-a-us-credit-card-how-do-i-sign-up-for-hulu-plus-?b_id=530

and my original thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490950.0

Is in fact actually asking

I'm Canadian looking to signup for Hulu,
The postal code trick doesn't work as my postal code has 000 in it Smiley

Anyone selling a card? maybe $100 with a valid USA Zip code?

OR anyone selling Hulu account.

Please PM me!!

So. Again. What did I do that was dodgy? I was really just trying to get a re loadable USA credit card with a valid address for buying my own subscription.

Or if possible someone who sold account (I've seen it done before)
But again. I'd like to know how I'm sketchy for lieing about a postal code, that I never even mentioned.

Unless he thinks I tried saying my postal code is 000, in which case, he's an idiot. and anyone who believe my postal code was actually 000 is an even larger idiot.

The point is. This guy seems to be up on some high horse, strutting around leaving negative feedback. without even investigating.
Or clarifying. an on top of that for some reason decided to TODAY, post negative rep on me

Lying about his postal code for some odd reason. Beware...

For a thread which hasn't seen activity since March 9th 2014.
So I guess he's gotten bored with nailing the new guy's and is now digging up shit that was likely on page 50 of the forums.

[TECSHARE]

using a vpn is not dodgy
the method i used is detailed here
http://support.unblock-us.com/customer/portal/articles/291534-i-do-not-have-a-us-credit-card-how-do-i-sign-up-for-hulu-plus-?b_id=530

and my original thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490950.0

Is in fact actually asking

I'm Canadian looking to signup for Hulu,
The postal code trick doesn't work as my postal code has 000 in it Smiley

Anyone selling a card? maybe $100 with a valid USA Zip code?

OR anyone selling Hulu account.

Please PM me!!

So. Again. What did I do that was dodgy? I was really just trying to get a re loadable USA credit card with a valid address for buying my own subscription.

Or if possible someone who sold account (I've seen it done before)
But again. I'd like to know how I'm sketchy for lieing about a postal code, that I never even mentioned.

Unless he thinks I tried saying my postal code is 000, in which case, he's an idiot. and anyone who believe my postal code was actually 000 is an even larger idiot.

The point is. This guy seems to be up on some high horse, strutting around leaving negative feedback. without even investigating.
Or clarifying. an on top of that for some reason decided to TODAY, post negative rep on me

Lying about his postal code for some odd reason. Beware...

For a thread which hasn't seen activity since March 9th 2014.
So I guess he's gotten bored with nailing the new guy's and is now digging up shit that was likely on page 50 of the forums.

Everyone is so paranoid here that any inconsistency is grounds for scam accusations in their minds. IMO these people perpetrating this "scambusting" type activity are simply doing it to stoke their egos, because in the end the only person that can stop you from getting scammed is you. They might prevent a handful of the really dumb scammers from scamming temporarily, but thats about it. Additionally training everyone to take everyone eles's opinion rather than using your own critical thought to judge if someone is a scammer is training people to only trust those in authority (default trust list) while they scream about trusting no one. As a result no one is ever actually trusted because escrow is always used, therefore real trust networks are not formed any more. Using escrow doesn't prove somone trust worthy. Someone having an opportunity to steal from you and CHOOSING NOT TO  is actually how you build real trust. Combine this with time and escalated value of trades and you have a real trust network, not just meaningless green and red numbers.

This community has accepted the "trust sytem" over actual trust networks of individuals you have personally traded with. The key is KNOWING your trading partner, not being so paranoid you are fearful of everyone who says something a little off and accuse them of scamming. Frankly these "scambusters" are harming this community tremendously in order to protect careless and or stupid people who will get scammed anyway because they don't bother to research their trading partners. In effect this "Scambusting" type behavior is becoming a lot more destructive than the scams it supposedly protects us from. IMO this community has become so obsessed with punisment that they are no longer interested in actual justice or due process any more, only vengeance. Burn them all and let God sort it out.

[Quickseller]

Everyone is so paranoid here that any inconsistency is grounds for scam accusations in their minds. IMO these people perpetrating this "scambusting" type activity are simply doing it to stoke their egos, because in the end the only person that can stop you from getting scammed is you. They might prevent a handful of the really dumb scammers from scamming temporarily, but thats about it. Additionally training everyone to take everyone eles's opinion rather than using your own critical thought to judge if someone is a scammer is training people to only trust those in authority (default trust list) while they scream about trusting no one. As a result no one is ever actually trusted because escrow is always used, therefore real trust networks are not formed any more. Using escrow doesn't prove somone trust worthy. Someone having an opportunity to steal from you and CHOOSING NOT TO  is actually how you build real trust. Combine this with time and escalated value of trades and you have a real trust network, not just meaningless green and red numbers.

This community has accepted the "trust sytem" over actual trust networks of individuals you have personally traded with. The key is KNOWING your trading partner, not being so paranoid you are fearful of everyone who says something a little off and accuse them of scamming. Frankly these "scambusters" are harming this community tremendously in order to protect careless and or stupid people who will get scammed anyway because they don't bother to research their trading partners. In effect this "Scambusting" type behavior is becoming a lot more destructive than the scams it supposedly protects us from. IMO this community has become so obsessed with punishing scammers that they are no longer interested in actual justice or due process any more, only vengeance. Burn them all and let God sort it out.

I would disagree. There is one lender in the lending section that has started to give very high risk loans, including to people with negative trust without collateral (or insufficient collateral). As a result there have been a significant increase in the number of obvious loan scammers in the lending subform recently. Some of the loans have been repaid, however I am going to say that they were done so in order to give confidence to the scammers and to increase the willingness to give loans to scammers.

Most newer, inexperienced users/traders are not going to know how to properly spot a scam nor do they know how to otherwise protect themselves. The default trust system, at lest somewhat helps newer users determine who should be trusted and who should not be. The concept of sending a payment that cannot be disputed/charged back is not something that many people truly understand, therefore many people who are new to bitcoin will likely trade under the presumption they will have the same scam protections that payment methods like credit cards offer (and that they will obviously not receive when dealing with bitcoin). You are in a unique situation that you do not need to "send first" when trading with others therefore you have a much greater insight as to if someone is trying to scam you or not. Most other people do not have this luxury.

There have been a huge number of scams that relate to bitcoin both on this forum and off forum. It is in everyone's interest that owns bitcoin to prevent bitcoin related scams from happening because a high number of bitcoin scams means less confidence in bitcoin overall and a lower bitcoin price. It may or may not be appropriate for people to call out "scam" on the drop of a hat, however it is very appropriate for people to ask tough questions when they see questionable activity and if appropriate answers are not given to defiantly call out "scam"

[TECSHARE]

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As I said previously, careless and or stupid people will be parted from their money no matter how many warnings we give them or how many users try to play whack-a-mole. When this community began there was no one really around "scambusting" like they do today. People had individual transactions, and if they went bad they were then themselves free to make accusations and it was generally judged on its merits. Since the community is much larger now and more filled with less technically proficient people, and more scammers this kind of individual attention to cases is restricted. Yet in spite of this the level of penalty enforcement has not decreased along with the decreased standard of evidence against users.

This results in a very divisive and destructive type of infighting that is counterproductive in building trust networks and simply results in making them a tool of extortion and harassment because everyone is ready to engage in a witch hunt. How do you think the first of us around here had to learn these things? We did it BY BUILDING OUR OWN TRUST NETWORKS, and taking managed and informed risks, not relying on green and red numbers. In the end all the scammer has to do is make a new name. Does playing whack-a-mole endlessly on random usernames really stop them?

What is an acceptable level of innocent people caught up in this? How much is an acceptable amount of their money, time, and effort burnt because of a careless false accusation? Can the cryptocoin community really afford to be burning people who want to honestly contribute now days? We are doing more to burn the users who want to contribute here than we are to punish the scammers. This policy is doing far more damage to this community than scammers ever could. And for what? Just to make the scammer change his username and try again.

[takagari]

This is horse shit. I have very little in positive, so because of this dip shit

Trust: -2: -1 / +1(1)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

How in the hell does one moron with a God complex get me to a -2 with a CAUTION warning?

On top of that, what give's him the right. and the complex that he simply get's to ignore me?

Sorry do I need to give a 1 month "cooling off period"

[hilariousandco]

Looks like someone removed their positive (or got demoted?). You had two or three positives before, right? I'll PM vod later if he doesn't remove it before.

[Quickseller]

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As I said previously, careless and or stupid people will be parted from their money no matter how many warnings we give them or how many users try to play whack-a-mole. When this community began there was no one really around "scambusting" like they do today. People had individual transactions, and if they went bad they were then themselves free to make accusations and it was generally judged on its merits. Since the community is much larger now and more filled with less technically proficient people, and more scammers this kind of individual attention to cases is restricted. Yet in spite of this the level of penalty enforcement has not decreased along with the decreased standard of evidence against users.

This results in a very divisive and destructive type of infighting that is counterproductive in building trust networks and simply results in making them a tool of extortion and harassment because everyone is ready to engage in a witch hunt. How do you think the first of us around here had to learn these things? We did it BY BUILDING OUR OWN TRUST NETWORKS, and taking managed and informed risks, not relying on green and red numbers. In the end all the scammer has to do is make a new name. Does playing whack-a-mole endlessly on random usernames really stop them?

What is an acceptable level of innocent people caught up in this? How much is an acceptable amount of their money, time, and effort burnt because of a careless false accusation? Can the cryptocoin community really afford to be burning people who want to honestly contribute now days? We are doing more to burn the users who want to contribute here than we are to punish the scammers. This policy is doing far more damage to this community than scammers ever could. And for what? Just to make the scammer change his username and try again.

The current trust system will reduce the number of people who will carelessly send money to scammers. The default trust system makes it so newer users (and users who have little/no trading experience) to get somewhat of an idea as to how safe it is to trade with someone. Any potential trade with extreme caution tag would hopefully cause a newer user to do additional research prior to trading with someone and hopefully finding a trusted escrow provider who can provide some additional level of protection for both parties. This is especially true with newer users who receive negative trust as their reputation is worth nothing and can easily create a new account without such tag.

As I mentioned before it is always appropriate to ask the "tough" questions to someone trying to do business. If they are honest they should have no problem either answering such questions or being honest they either do not wish to answer or cannot answer such questions. If it is any of the later then they likely have something to hide and it is likely the fact that they are trying to in some way scam. Anyone operating legitimately has an incentive to answer the "tough" questions because doing so adds a layer of legitimacy to their business.

Playing wach-a-mole does stop the scammers because they either need to buy a new account (which takes money) or need to create a new account which comes with time intensive countermeasures against scamming and are largely ineffective for scamming. As I mentioned before decreasing the scam rate, even marginally will help the bitcoin economy and the chances of bitcoin's success.

As you become a more experienced trader you should rely less on the default trust network and rely on your own trust network. You should either update your trust list or remember in your head who is trustworthy and who is not. Once you are an experienced trader you should give out negative trust only when someone has either scammed or when they are attempting to scam, or appear to be likely to attempt to scam in the future. You should not give trust to anyone you have a personal disagreement with as anyone who trusts your opinion may not want to trade with such person in the future over something personal. I do use an alternate account to view someone's trust feedback from the point of view that someone sees it by "default" as well as looking at feedback from my own trust network. I will share my trust network, you (or anyone else) is free to create a similar trust network or to add myself to their trust list to stay up to date as to whose feedback I personally deem accurate

Code:

theymos
Gavin Andresen
gmaxwell
~TECSHARE
Vod
John (John K.)
Tomatocage
BadBear
Blazr
DannyHamilton
~jasonslow
escrow.ms
Stunna
DefaultTrust
hilariousandco
~redsn0w
OldScammerTag

Without some kind of "default" trust network then a newer trader is not going to have any way of knowing who they should trust and who they should not trust.

Any potential false accusation can be openly discussed here for anyone to see (as well as in the sales thread if an accusation is made via a posting instead of via trust). Any party potentially considering to trade with such person can take such discussion into consideration. Just because someone screams "scam" does not mean that something or someone is a scam, trust me I know from personal experience (I have had plenty of people be upset with me for various reasons that do not have to do with my potential to scam and have made false accusations against me, it did not negatively affect my ability to trade and if anything it highlighted my previous success).

This is horse shit. I have very little in positive, so because of this dip shit

Trust: -2: -1 / +1(1)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

When using the above trust network I see you as:

Code:

3: -1 / +3(3)

I do see you as you describe above when only using the default trust network. I find my trust network more accurate.

From the looks of it you do not trade very much so I would find it somewhat unlikely that you would be affected in ways other then ego (not that I am defending this apparent trust rating that is probably not warranted).

I think it would be very appropriate for Vod to chime in to give some kind of explanation regarding his trust report to the OP

[takagari]

I had a positive from a web designer, who after paying shut down his business, so today whilst I was digging, decided to rewrite my pos. I guess he retracted his.

Just show's what one person like VOD can do to a user's rating over nothing.

He also left this over 12 hours ago, and has been online since.
So I'm simply being ignored.

[takagari]

words

words

As I said previously, careless and or stupid people will be parted from their money no matter how many warnings we give them or how many users try to play whack-a-mole. When this community began there was no one really around "scambusting" like they do today. People had individual transactions, and if they went bad they were then themselves free to make accusations and it was generally judged on its merits. Since the community is much larger now and more filled with less technically proficient people, and more scammers this kind of individual attention to cases is restricted. Yet in spite of this the level of penalty enforcement has not decreased along with the decreased standard of evidence against users.

This results in a very divisive and destructive type of infighting that is counterproductive in building trust networks and simply results in making them a tool of extortion and harassment because everyone is ready to engage in a witch hunt. How do you think the first of us around here had to learn these things? We did it BY BUILDING OUR OWN TRUST NETWORKS, and taking managed and informed risks, not relying on green and red numbers. In the end all the scammer has to do is make a new name. Does playing whack-a-mole endlessly on random usernames really stop them?

What is an acceptable level of innocent people caught up in this? How much is an acceptable amount of their money, time, and effort burnt because of a careless false accusation? Can the cryptocoin community really afford to be burning people who want to honestly contribute now days? We are doing more to burn the users who want to contribute here than we are to punish the scammers. This policy is doing far more damage to this community than scammers ever could. And for what? Just to make the scammer change his username and try again.

The current trust system will reduce the number of people who will carelessly send money to scammers. The default trust system makes it so newer users (and users who have little/no trading experience) to get somewhat of an idea as to how safe it is to trade with someone. Any potential trade with extreme caution tag would hopefully cause a newer user to do additional research prior to trading with someone and hopefully finding a trusted escrow provider who can provide some additional level of protection for both parties. This is especially true with newer users who receive negative trust as their reputation is worth nothing and can easily create a new account without such tag.

As I mentioned before it is always appropriate to ask the "tough" questions to someone trying to do business. If they are honest they should have no problem either answering such questions or being honest they either do not wish to answer or cannot answer such questions. If it is any of the later then they likely have something to hide and it is likely the fact that they are trying to in some way scam. Anyone operating legitimately has an incentive to answer the "tough" questions because doing so adds a layer of legitimacy to their business.

Playing wach-a-mole does stop the scammers because they either need to buy a new account (which takes money) or need to create a new account which comes with time intensive countermeasures against scamming and are largely ineffective for scamming. As I mentioned before decreasing the scam rate, even marginally will help the bitcoin economy and the chances of bitcoin's success.

As you become a more experienced trader you should rely less on the default trust network and rely on your own trust network. You should either update your trust list or remember in your head who is trustworthy and who is not. Once you are an experienced trader you should give out negative trust only when someone has either scammed or when they are attempting to scam, or appear to be likely to attempt to scam in the future. You should not give trust to anyone you have a personal disagreement with as anyone who trusts your opinion may not want to trade with such person in the future over something personal. I do use an alternate account to view someone's trust feedback from the point of view that someone sees it by "default" as well as looking at feedback from my own trust network. I will share my trust network, you (or anyone else) is free to create a similar trust network or to add myself to their trust list to stay up to date as to whose feedback I personally deem accurate

Code:

theymos
Gavin Andresen
gmaxwell
~TECSHARE
Vod
John (John K.)
Tomatocage
BadBear
Blazr
DannyHamilton
~jasonslow
escrow.ms
Stunna
DefaultTrust
hilariousandco
~redsn0w
OldScammerTag

Without some kind of "default" trust network then a newer trader is not going to have any way of knowing who they should trust and who they should not trust.

Any potential false accusation can be openly discussed here for anyone to see (as well as in the sales thread if an accusation is made via a posting instead of via trust). Any party potentially considering to trade with such person can take such discussion into consideration. Just because someone screams "scam" does not mean that something or someone is a scam, trust me I know from personal experience (I have had plenty of people be upset with me for various reasons that do not have to do with my potential to scam and have made false accusations against me, it did not negatively affect my ability to trade and if anything it highlighted my previous success).

This is horse shit. I have very little in positive, so because of this dip shit

Trust: -2: -1 / +1(1)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

When using the above trust network I see you as:

Code:

3: -1 / +3(3)

I do see you as you describe above when only using the default trust network. I find my trust network more accurate.

From the looks of it you do not trade very much so I would find it somewhat unlikely that you would be affected in ways other then ego (not that I am defending this apparent trust rating that is probably not warranted).

I think it would be very appropriate for Vod to chime in to give some kind of explanation regarding his trust report to the OP

Well,
I just lost out on a $1500 deal because of my rating. Shady yes, I tried to explain it away, but nope
I've done deals with people who havn't left feedback, as I've left more than I've gotten.

I'm not some random. I run an ATM in a major Canadian City.

Look here's me on the far right :O


Had VOD asked for an explanation. Details or even commented to question before slandering me without reason. It could of been an easy fix.

Edit:
I know, I'm a sexy bitch... But he's been online in the last 12 hours since this went down.
And sorry but minuts = days on the internet, one deal dead over this. and I frankly can't move on with anything else until it's fixed, as most people with a normal trust system see me as a big red flagged scammer.
This never should of happened in the first place, and frankly the system needs to be fixed
Some sort of thread, admin or mod needs to be put in place to be able to at LEAST counter claims like this.

[Quickseller]

Well,
I just lost out on a $1500 deal because of my rating. Shady yes, I tried to explain it away, but nope
I've done deals with people who havn't left feedback, as I've left more than I've gotten.

I'm not some random. I run an ATM in a major Canadian City.

Look here's me on the far right :O


Had VOD asked for an explanation. Details or even commented to question before slandering me without reason. It could of been an easy fix.

Is that Vod on the left?

I would personally find it somewhat disconcerting if/when a potential employer/contractor makes a hiring decision based on a rating on a forum. That is generally not something that I would think would be a valid reason to make a decision to or to not do business with someone at that large of a scale.

I know that Vod is based in Canada (I think somewhere in western Canada, but am not 100% on this) so he may have been asked about you and this could have explained the reason why he gave you a negative the same day they made a decision not to hire you/deal with you). If this was the case the fact that he gave a negative trust rating on here would probably not have affected your chances of getting that deal.

If that is not the case then I would find it very strange that Vod happened to give you a negative rating the exact day that you lost a deal........

[takagari]

Lol thanks but VOD didn't lose me a job..
I'm an owner of the atm already,
no that's not him.

If you read the thread, and my rating
he found a march posting of me wanting a USD credit card to get a hulu account with (or hulu account)
where I stated the fake Postal code trick did not work for me
Than stated I used a fake postal code (beware)
and left negative.

He had nothing to do with the $1500 deal (only hundred... not a job..)
it was something I discussed this afternoon and my current trader rating hurt me.

He lives in norther Alberta. I'm in Manitoba. Likely 1100 miles apart or so.

[Quickseller]

Lol thanks but VOD didn't lose me a job..
I'm an owner of the atm already,
no that's not him.

If you read the thread, and my rating
he found a march posting of me wanting a USD credit card to get a hulu account with (or hulu account)
where I stated the fake Postal code trick did not work for me
Than stated I used a fake postal code (beware)
and left negative.

He had nothing to do with the $1500 deal (only hundred... not a job..)
it was something I discussed this afternoon and my current trader rating hurt me.

He lives in norther Alberta. I'm in Manitoba. Likely 1100 miles apart or so.

No I understand what he said on his trust rating, however the fact that he was asked about you could have been the reason why he looked into a thread that was so old.

Without knowing the details of the deal/job I really can't say what an appropriate solution would be for you. My first instinct would be to suggest some kind of on forum escrow service however this may or may not be applicable to your specific situation.

If you are 1,100 miles away from each other then I would somewhat doubt that your trader knows him personally, however we do live in a global economy so who knows.

My experience with Vod is that he is generally a reasonable person, so I would think he will eventually see this thread and either give some kind of more detailed explanation or remove the rating.

[takagari]

Lol thanks but VOD didn't lose me a job..
I'm an owner of the atm already,
no that's not him.

If you read the thread, and my rating
he found a march posting of me wanting a USD credit card to get a hulu account with (or hulu account)
where I stated the fake Postal code trick did not work for me
Than stated I used a fake postal code (beware)
and left negative.

He had nothing to do with the $1500 deal (only hundred... not a job..)
it was something I discussed this afternoon and my current trader rating hurt me.

He lives in norther Alberta. I'm in Manitoba. Likely 1100 miles apart or so.

No I understand what he said on his trust rating, however the fact that he was asked about you could have been the reason why he looked into a thread that was so old.

Without knowing the details of the deal/job I really can't say what an appropriate solution would be for you. My first instinct would be to suggest some kind of on forum escrow service however this may or may not be applicable to your specific situation.

If you are 1,100 miles away from each other then I would somewhat doubt that your trader knows him personally, however we do live in a global economy so who knows.

My experience with Vod is that he is generally a reasonable person, so I would think he will eventually see this thread and either give some kind of more detailed explanation or remove the rating.

Sorry for confusion.
The lost deal was started and ended AFTER the feedback.
I had no pending job's, deals or requests that would have warranted anyone to contact Sir VOD for anything.
His negative feedback came completely out of nowhere. I can see zero reason someone would contact him.

It would seem he simply got to page 80 of the forum and hit on my thread, decided to slander me and moved on to page 81.

[takagari]

Once Again

VOD the hero
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=913371

Someone please knock this guy off his Godly thrown.

Read over the guys posts please

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30747;sa=showPosts

He act's like an admin. he runs the forum, his rule is law. etc.

ecause you were tagged trying to be a "fucking" scammer on one of your first chance posts.  You were given a second chance over a 30 day period and you failed that too.

Clearly you want to run things your own way.   Good for you - just don't look to me for a third chance.

Regardless if the people are scammers.
He speaks as if his is God, his word is the law. and "F*ck you, I am VOD!"

Tried, and failed.

No loan for you.  In fact, if anyone was stupid enough to loan you given your trust, that person should probably get negative trust for being an idiot.   Undecided

[takagari]

He is alive,
As replied
and doesn't care

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=913321.new#new

I even offered to send him a copy of my ID showing I'm canadian and my postal code.

A dipshit, is a dipshit, is a dipshit.

Still doesn't explain WHY suddenly he felt a need to leave feed back on a thread from MARCH?

[rokkyroad]

It's none of my business but do you really need half a dozen vod hate threads? Its obsessive. Relax bud.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obsessive

[takagari]

It's none of my business but do you really need half a dozen vod hate threads? Its obsessive. Relax bud.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obsessive

Two, isn't quite half a dozen.
But. If your math skills are that poor. I'd hope you find help.
They arnt so much hate threads, as "stop screwing people on the trader ratings" threads.
I could honestly care less about vod
the trader system does Need some sort of support.

[BadBear]

the trader system does Need some sort of support.

It does, takes time though. We like to see people resolve this stuff themselves, and more often than not they do.  

[Vod]

It's none of my business but do you really need half a dozen vod hate threads? Its obsessive. Relax bud.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obsessive

Two, isn't quite half a dozen.
But. If your math skills are that poor. I'd hope you find help.
They arnt so much hate threads, as "stop screwing people on the trader ratings" threads.
I could honestly care less about vod
the trader system does Need some sort of support.

Dude, based on your comments here and to me in PM (don't care about me, my ass!), don't ever get a job in customer service.  You don't have the skill set.

I've been dealing with family all day and have not been online.  You're a dipshit.

[criptix]

i think it is better if both of you try to cool down a bit.

i dont think whatever happened there was out of bad will and both of you just overreacted by alot.

dont start the year with such nonsense 

[takagari]

I think he needs to remove the damn comment.
Instead he still calls me a liar and doesn't care about the facts.

How does an idiot like this, get in the default list??

[Quickseller]

Somewhat off topic but why did TF leave you negative feedback calling you a scammer? It was left when his opinion was valued by most of the community.

[takagari]

Somewhat off topic but why did TF leave you negative feedback calling you a scammer? It was left when his opinion was valued by most of the community.

I wouldnt say trusted.
But I deployed when I had a loan out to him. had sent messages before leaving to clean it up and he was AFK (very short notice) than I was gone for a week. He left a scammer tag, so I left negative on him and even once settled, he wouldn't remove it.
But the guy showed his true color's in the long run.

[C10H15N]

I think he needs to remove the damn comment.
Instead he still calls me a liar and doesn't care about the facts.

How does an idiot like this, get in the default list??

I'm afraid you're the one who comes off looking like an idiot here.
Work with Vod to resolve this or STFU.

[takagari]

I think he needs to remove the damn comment.
Instead he still calls me a liar and doesn't care about the facts.

How does an idiot like this, get in the default list??

I'm afraid you're the one who comes off looking like an idiot here.
Work with Vod to resolve this or STFU.

If your not reading what I write, clearly I'm the idiot.
VOD yelled at me over PM and call med names than blocked me.

Please explain HOW do I work with him?

I have his real name and location, maybe I should look him up and give the guy a phone call?

[C10H15N]

Please explain HOW do I work with him?

That, you need to figure out.  You f****d it up, you un f**k it.
Consider it an intelligence test.

[marcotheminer]

BadBear, why did you add takagari to your trust list?

[Vod]

I'll be going back to leaving negative on his account.
He simply laughed at me over pm and blocked me.

That's the third lie I've caught you in.  I never laughed at you - I simply blocked you from sending more spam PMs.  Stop lying to make me look bad.

Since you're now on default trust and you left me negative affecting my rating, and since you continue to be dishonest, I have left you negative feedback as well.

I consider this issue resolved.  You may now cry yourself to sleep, fool.   

[Vod]

Just for the record... here is his last spam PM he sent me and my only reply to him before I blocked him.

Make up your own mind - was I YELLING or LAUGHING at him like he claims?  Obviously not - he's just posting lies to make me look bad.

You've been online.

In the last ten minutes.
You clearly know what you did
Your obviously ignoring it.

And withing a fucking ounce of proof or reason.
Albertans hate Manitobans that much? Does it help to tell you I'm from Sask originally?
Or a serving member in your military? No?

You just cost me a $1500 deal. Don't bother asking me for proof or anything. Hell I'd of sent you a phone pic of my fucking license just to prove who I am. I run a legit Bitcoin ATM in Winnipeg. No real reason to hide behind anything. I jsut wanted an american Hulu account for my kids.

Thanks, Dick head.

You're an idiot.  I haven't been online all day - been babysitting.

[takagari]

You never got me in a lie.
you simply stated you did  and when I tried to prove I was in fact Canadian.

You blocked me.

Your a child, who gets off on this.

That simple fact you wont listen or let a person prove if they are telling the truth.  Shows that your a child.

Sorry ill refraise my last comment "he basically laughed me off and blocked me"

Your correct, you didn't laugh

[Vod]

I've offered to prove I was not lieing to this fool, and he simply yells at me a blocks me.

I didn't yell at you either.  You posted these two things about me which were obviously lies.  You need to grow up, child.

[takagari]

Yes, so I'm hot headed.
I said you laughed and yellled.

I can in fact see how that's worth ruining my rep.

It's lovely how you continue to avoid any attempts at proving I lied about my postal code, or that I'm not Canadian.

And refuse to accept proof I provide

If any trusted members wish to chat so I can prove I'm Canadian,  and my postal code, does in fact contain 3:zeros. Please pm me.

Vox is clearly a child with a god complex.

[Vod]

Yes, so I'm hot headed.
I said you laughed and yellled.

I can in fact see how that's worth ruining my rep.

It's lovely how you continue to avoid any attempts at proving I lied about my postal code, or that I'm not Canadian.

And refuse to accept proof I provide

If any trusted members wish to chat so I can prove I'm Canadian,  and my postal code, does in fact contain 3:zeros. Please pm me.

Vox is clearly a child with a god complex.

Go cry yourself to sleep, little boy.  No one cares - you brought it on yourself.

[takagari]

Yes, so I'm hot headed.
I said you laughed and yellled.

I can in fact see how that's worth ruining my rep.

It's lovely how you continue to avoid any attempts at proving I lied about my postal code, or that I'm not Canadian.

And refuse to accept proof I provide

If any trusted members wish to chat so I can prove I'm Canadian,  and my postal code, does in fact contain 3:zeros. Please pm me.

Vox is clearly a child with a god complex.

Go cry yourself to sleep, little boy.  No one cares - you brought it on yourself.

And this dough bag is trusted.
Wtf is wrong with this community?

[takagari]

Nice how martin has his mommy answer the phone to claim he isn't at that number,  pussy

[Vod]

Nice how martin has his mommy answer the phone to claim he isn't at that number,  pussy

Haven't lived with my mom in almost 30 years, child.  

[takagari]

Nice how martin has his mommy answer the phone to claim he isn't at that number,  pussy

Haven't lived with my mom in almost 30 years, child.  

Wife than?

Why dodge the question. You said I'm lieing about my postal code and that I'm not Canadian.
You won't allow me to prove I am, so please, show some proof to back your accusations

[Vortex20000]

Nice how martin has his mommy answer the phone to claim he isn't at that number,  pussy

Haven't lived with my mom in almost 30 years, child.  

Wife than?

Why dodge the question. You said I'm lieing about my postal code and that I'm not Canadian.
You won't allow me to prove I am, so please, show some proof to back your accusations

Because you in the first place posted a claim, the onus is on you to show why it is true, not on Vod to show why it is false.

[takagari]

Nice how martin has his mommy answer the phone to claim he isn't at that number,  pussy

Haven't lived with my mom in almost 30 years, child.  

Wife than?

Why dodge the question. You said I'm lieing about my postal code and that I'm not Canadian.
You won't allow me to prove I am, so please, show some proof to back your accusations

Because you in the first place posted a claim, the onus is on you to show why it is true, not on Vod to show why it is false.

I offered to show him proof?  But to fix myself I need to show the world my dox? He refuses to see proof.
Any trusted members want to see?

He admitted in the other thread he is aware he made a mistake, but continues with calling me a liar, so he leaves feed back based on spite.

Some guy

[Vod]

I offered to show him proof?  But to fix myself I need to show the world my dox? He refuses to see proof.
Any trusted members want to see?

Stop lying.

Post your proof here.  Your postal code cannot contain "000".   This has been hashed to death and dealt with already.   

[takagari]

I offered to show him proof?  But to fix myself I need to show the world my dox? He refuses to see proof.
Any trusted members want to see?

Stop lying.

Post your proof here.  Your postal code cannot contain "000".   This has been hashed to death and dealt with already.   

at no point did I state it contains three zeros in a row. You admitted you understood the mistake, you misread what I road, please provide proof where I stated my postal code was 000??

[Vod]

at no point did I state it contains three zeros in a row. You admitted you understood the mistake, you misread what I road, please provide proof where I stated my postal code was 000??

Right here, fool.

The postal code trick doesn't work as my postal code has 000 in it

[takagari]

You're an idiot

You very clearly stated in the other thread you misread and understood that

My postal code contains three zeros. Which is part of the zip code trick to use a Canadian credit card for Hulu.

But your on some high about me saying my actual postal code was 000?

Or do you in fact not have a clue, and don't think a postal code can contain three zeros?

I offered to providentify proof. And you simply ignore me.

You leave feedback, without regard.

Child, I believe you.  Your postal code cannot contain 000, but it can contain three 0's.  There is a difference.

I already realized I misunderstood you and removed the negative trust.  Why are you still crying about this?

All your doing is being insulting and degrading, because you can, and you hold the power.

You made the original mistake, and you Pisces a person off.
now you insist on keeping up this joke, because you posses me off.

So your going to hurt my rating, over nothing but your pride.

Because you assumed I lied, with no proof aside from a mistake you made in reading a post. Hat meant I had three zeroes not that it was 000.
off that, you've accused memail of being a liar, and saying I'm not Canadian.

And I'm a child? 8 may not be perfect in this, but it was started by you, and since your a trusted member, one would thing you'd have the honor to admit I was a mistake.

Instead you switch I to a neutrAL and continued to call me a liar.

This all started because your a self righteous ass, out to be a herough.

[Vod]

Your an idiot

Priceless end to an open and shut case.   

[takagari]

Your an idiot

Priceless end to an open and shut case.   

Your whole argument, and every counter point you have used, is attacking me. Never a valid.or worthwhile thing to say.
I fixed that almost as quickly as.I posted it.
But good catch.

[Vortex20000]

Nice how martin has his mommy answer the phone to claim he isn't at that number,  pussy

Haven't lived with my mom in almost 30 years, child.  

Wife than?

Why dodge the question. You said I'm lieing about my postal code and that I'm not Canadian.
You won't allow me to prove I am, so please, show some proof to back your accusations

Because you in the first place posted a claim, the onus is on you to show why it is true, not on Vod to show why it is false.

I offered to show him proof?  But to fix myself I need to show the world my dox? He refuses to see proof.
Any trusted members want to see?

He admitted in the other thread he is aware he made a mistake, but continues with calling me a liar, so he leaves feed back based on spite.

Some guy

Post the proof out in the open. All trusted members both now and future (who visit this thread, of course) will see it.

And I get to too.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

takagari defaulted on a loan but I don't consider him to be a scammer.

Vod needs to be removed from DefaultTrust.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

And yes, takagari has verified with CoinLenders before and is from Canada.

[TECSHARE]

I am amazed at the level of bullshit this community tolerates from VOD just because of his limited effect "scambusting", which arguably hurts honest users more than scammers, because a scammer just has to change names, and honest user loses all the effort building trust.

And while the public gets their pitchforks and torches over his abuse of the trust system, rather than dealing with the real source of tension, the staff take people like myself, thebutterzone, and Canaryinthemine and throws us under a bus to appease the mob while the true source of malcontent continues.

[Beastlymac]

I am amazed at the level of bullshit this community tolerates from VOD just because of his limited effect "scambusting", which arguably hurts honest users more than scammers, because a scammer just has to change names, and honest user loses all the effort building trust.

And while the public gets their pitchforks and torches over his abuse of the trust system, rather than dealing with the real source of tension, the staff take people like myself, thebutterzone, and Canaryinthemine and throws us under a buss to appease the mob while the true source of malcontent continues.

What happened with canaryinthemine?

[TECSHARE]

I am amazed at the level of bullshit this community tolerates from VOD just because of his limited effect "scambusting", which arguably hurts honest users more than scammers, because a scammer just has to change names, and honest user loses all the effort building trust.

And while the public gets their pitchforks and torches over his abuse of the trust system, rather than dealing with the real source of tension, the staff take people like myself, thebutterzone, and Canaryinthemine and throws us under a buss to appease the mob while the true source of malcontent continues.

What happened with canaryinthemine?

He is currently dealing with his own personal inquisition: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888960.0;all

[--Encrypted--]

takagari defaulted on a loan but I don't consider him to be a scammer.

Vod needs to be removed from DefaultTrust.

no one is calling the OP a scammer. vod simply called him a liar, and I got to say that he is immature too.

and in case people haven't noticed yet, this problem was supposed to be over already when vod removed his negative feedback and replaced it with a neutral one (that was the source of the OP's outbursts in the first place). but for some reason takagari replied by leaving a negative feedback on vod, extending the issue.

[Vod]

takagari defaulted on a loan but I don't consider him to be a scammer.

Vod needs to be removed from DefaultTrust.

no one is calling the OP a scammer. vod simply called him a liar, and I got to say that he is immature too.

Take note that the OP did call me a scammer in his trust feedback.   

[TECSHARE]

takagari defaulted on a loan but I don't consider him to be a scammer.

Vod needs to be removed from DefaultTrust.

no one is calling the OP a scammer. vod simply called him a liar, and I got to say that he is immature too.

Take note that the OP did call me a scammer in his trust feedback.   

You are seriously going to cry about a trust rating after all the complaints against you for trust abuse? YOU were the one who initially fucked up by not being more careful who you left negative ratings for and having an ACTUAL REASON to do so. he has EVERY RIGHT to be pissed, he was wronged by you. You coming in with insults is just insult to injury on top of a wrong you already committed. If we are judging people based on their maturity level I think we have a crib waiting for you VOD.

[Vod]

You are seriously going to cry about a trust rating after all the complaints against you for trust abuse? YOU were the one who initially fucked up by not being more careful who you left negative ratings for and having an ACTUAL REASON to do so. he has EVERY RIGHT to be pissed, he was wronged by you. You coming in with insults is just insult to injury on top of a wrong you already committed. If we are judging people based on their maturity level I think we have a crib waiting for you VOD.

Of course not.  I don't cry about trivial things.  But you may continue to do so...   

Of course scammers are going to cry trust abuse.  You need to be smarter than they are.

[TECSHARE]

You are seriously going to cry about a trust rating after all the complaints against you for trust abuse? YOU were the one who initially fucked up by not being more careful who you left negative ratings for and having an ACTUAL REASON to do so. he has EVERY RIGHT to be pissed, he was wronged by you. You coming in with insults is just insult to injury on top of a wrong you already committed. If we are judging people based on their maturity level I think we have a crib waiting for you VOD.

Of course not.  I don't cry about trivial things.  But you may continue to do so...   

Of course scammers are going to cry trust abuse.  You need to be smarter than they are.

Yes, I am sure its just because you are "smarter", not at all because you have powerful people allowing you to act like a child without repercussion.

[Vod]

Yes, I am sure its just because you are "smarter", not at all because you have powerful people allowing you to act like a child without repercussion.

Correct.  I have no special favoritism here, same as you. 

[TECSHARE]

Yes, I am sure its just because you are "smarter", not at all because you have powerful people allowing you to act like a child without repercussion.

Correct.  I have no special favoritism here, same as you. 

Please, stop! You are making it hard to breathe laughing with all your bullshit around.

[Vod]

Yes, I am sure its just because you are "smarter", not at all because you have powerful people allowing you to act like a child without repercussion.

Correct.  I have no special favoritism here, same as you. 

Please, stop! You are making it hard to breathe laughing with all your bullshit around.

I'm glad you find the entire thing funny, but I take being on the DefaultTrust seriously.  Maybe that's why you were removed.   

[TECSHARE]

Yes, I am sure its just because you are "smarter", not at all because you have powerful people allowing you to act like a child without repercussion.

Correct.  I have no special favoritism here, same as you. 

Please, stop! You are making it hard to breathe laughing with all your bullshit around.

I'm glad you find the entire thing funny, but I take being on the DefaultTrust seriously.  Maybe that's why you were removed.   

Oh, I don't find any of that funny, I do however find the mental gymnastics you are using to justify your indefensible repetitive abuse hilarious.

[Vod]

Oh, I don't find any of that funny, I do however find the mental gymnastics you are using to justify your indefensible repetitive abuse hilarious.

They keep my mind sharp.  It's necessary when you're on the Defaulttrust list.  A lot of scammers out there.   

[takagari]

Spreads FUD - calls me a liar, and a fool. I've caught him in lies at least 3 separate times now. I tried to be the nice guy and remove negative feedback, he retaliated by opening three threads on me and spamming me with PMs. THEN he added negative trust against me.

Before you consider doing any business with this fool, consider he is hot headed and acts without thought. Add to the fact he has no problem lying, and come to the conclusion he should not be dealt with.

Event he feedback he has left now is a lie. And I'm a Liar? lol.

I've caught him in lies at least 3 separate times now.

Prove it! Where? the postal code thing was your misunderstanding what I said, So if your simply going of where I said your response to me was you yelling or laughing. maybe that's because a single one line response such as the following, pisses people off.

You're an idiot.  I haven't been online all day - been babysitting.

..

I tried to be the nice guy and remove negative feedback, he retaliated by opening three threads on me and spamming me with PMs.

I had the three threads AND All the pm's sent, before you were done babysitting. And long before you left my a neutral instead of negative. So there's his Lie number 2 in my rating post.

THEN he added negative trust against me.

That was already there. I removed it before going to bed, then replaced it once I saw you left a Negatively written neutral comment still calling me a liar.

consider he is hot headed and acts without thought.

Hot headed, Okay. I'm pissed. Acts without thought? No, I had a pretty sound reason for being pissed.

Add to the fact he has no problem lying

Screen shots of all the open and easy lieing I've done?

[Bit_Happy]

...because you have powerful people allowing you to act like a child without repercussion.

Can I post this here without repercussion?   

[takagari]

...because you have powerful people allowing you to act like a child without repercussion.

Can I post this here without repercussion?   

Seems fitting

[marcotheminer]

BadBear, why did you add takagari to your trust list?

Any response?

[Vod]

BadBear, why did you add takagari to your trust list?

Any response?

Quickseller seems to have some information regarding this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=915549.msg10054441#msg10054441

[takagari]

Once again, avoid the topic huh VOD? So you lied ALL OVER my negative feedback you left.
No response to that.

I guess those whom are up on that high of a horse. Could give less than a fuck about those they step on.

[Vod]

Once again, avoid the topic huh VOD? So you lied ALL OVER my negative feedback you left.
No response to that.

I guess those whom are up on that high of a horse. Could give less than a fuck about those they step on.

You're getting grumpy - think it's time for a nap?

Get your digs in now boy, because as of tomorrow you are on ignore.  Can only feed the trolls for so long.

[takagari]

Once again, avoid the topic huh VOD? So you lied ALL OVER my negative feedback you left.
No response to that.

I guess those whom are up on that high of a horse. Could give less than a fuck about those they step on.

You're getting grumpy - think it's time for a nap?

Get your digs in now boy, because as of tomorrow you are on ignore.  Can only feed the trolls for so long.

Sweet, so you won't see or comment on the campaign I plan to push over your bullshit.

How the admin team running this forum, expects it to last, is a joke. With retards like you on the lose.
It will die, and turn into a joke eventually.

EDIT:
Oh and ONCE AGAIN ignoring all the proof and facts that your LIES are all over my rating.

[Vod]

How the admin team running this forum, expects it to last, is a joke. With retards like you on the lose.

Wow.  I have read countless people who have written "loose" when they meant "lose".

You are the first person I have met who writes "lose" when you mean "loose."   

[takagari]

How the admin team running this forum, expects it to last, is a joke. With retards like you on the lose.

Wow.  I have read countless people who have written "loose" when they meant "lose".

You are the first person I have met who writes "lose" when you mean "loose."   

Again. You are SUCH a dipshit
I'm ignoring you now, infact.
I'll give you a shout next time I'm in Alerta

[Vod]

I'll give you a shout next time I'm in Alerta

I really doubt you will, even if you can find Alerta on a map.  

I'm ignoring you now, infact.

I think you're lying now too, but only time will tell...

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VOD is now attempting to silence my criticism of his trust abuse... by abusing the trust to give me a negative rating.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=915823.msg10055832#msg10055832

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[Remington_Steele]

Once again, avoid the topic huh VOD? So you lied ALL OVER my negative feedback you left.
No response to that.

I guess those whom are up on that high of a horse. Could give less than a fuck about those they step on.

You're getting grumpy - think it's time for a nap?

Get your digs in now boy, because as of tomorrow you are on ignore.  Can only feed the trolls for so long.

So your original reason for negging him is now resolved, but you're still negging him because he accused you of laughing when you didn't which makes him a liar.
But in your opinion, he is the child and troll.
Amazing.