Looking to purchase 4BTC

[meat]

You sent all 4btc in paypal to him?

Yes

[takagari]

Oh snap that was for the full 4 btc?

If this is your account and you file with Amex, paypal may debit your account, and not his. So Start with a paypal dispute.
Than move onto amex. The note he left could screw you. And if his account was a one off, than he could be gone,
You will get the cash back from Amex, but may kill your paypal in the process

[cshelswell]

Looks like the scammer was still online this morning. Hopefully not tryin to scam anyone else.

[Tomatocage]

Im not very good with money and may not make the smartest choices...

You don't say...

[koshgel]

Oh snap that was for the full 4 btc?

If this is your account and you file with Amex, paypal may debit your account, and not his. So Start with a paypal dispute.
Than move onto amex. The note he left could screw you. And if his account was a one off, than he could be gone,
You will get the cash back from Amex, but may kill your paypal in the process

If you read up a bit, you'll see that unfortunately, I did not end up using the Amex...really wish I had.

Paypal has this thing called Paypal Credit, and there was an offer for 6 months no payments no interest to use that, so that's what I used.

Wow.. They still have to have their own line for credit card. CALL BOTH. Call about the dispute and call about charging back your card!

You need to be active in this if you want your funds back. If you do this all through online dispute, YOU WILL LOSE.

[cxboyminer]

paypal is useless in terms of dispute, mostly... Lost a total of £600 in two ocassions via paypal and they did nothing. So i suggest you to be more active in the CC front.

[Grumpster]

@meat + any others scammed via PayPal.

I can help you. We can conference call paypal together and there is a 90% chance I can get your issue resolved within 48 hours and have funds back to you.

PM me.

[Smack That Ace]

How was this not supposed to end bad :s

[Grumpster]

How was this not supposed to end bad :s

To be completely honest, I don't think many would really be too worried buying bitcoins with paypal or credit card... not a lot can go wrong for the buyer if they know their stuff. Unfortunately, OP did not.

[legendster]

@meat + any others scammed via PayPal.

I can help you. We can conference call paypal together and there is a 90% chance I can get your issue resolved within 48 hours and have funds back to you.

PM me.

Are you looking to charge the OP ?

[Wardrick]

What you need to do is screenshot everything, provide links, and provide detailed information after you open up a case in the dispute section. You need to call Paypal and talk to them on the phone, communicating through email and Paypal updates alone takes way to long and is not as successful as calling them. Provide screenshots of everything you think will help prove your case (his past trades, posts, your PM's with him, these posts, etc.). Contact other people's he's traded with for his PP address if they have it and use that too. You'll most likely win the dispute, and his only counter-case would be saying he provided his "consultant services" which he would never be able to prove because they don't exist.

[NewDeal2014]

What you need to do is screenshot everything, provide links, and provide detailed information after you open up a case in the dispute section. You need to call Paypal and talk to them on the phone, communicating through email and Paypal updates alone takes way to long and is not as successful as calling them. Provide screenshots of everything you think will help prove your case (his past trades, posts, your PM's with him, these posts, etc.). Contact other people's he's traded with for his PP address if they have it and use that too. You'll most likely win the dispute, and his only counter-case would be saying he provided his "consultant services" which he would never be able to prove because they don't exist.

Keep in mind that Bitcoin purchases/sales are against PP's ToS. If the OP provides proof that involves BTC, he will likely have his account frozen/lose the dispute.

[SellingHBOGo]

What you need to do is screenshot everything, provide links, and provide detailed information after you open up a case in the dispute section. You need to call Paypal and talk to them on the phone, communicating through email and Paypal updates alone takes way to long and is not as successful as calling them. Provide screenshots of everything you think will help prove your case (his past trades, posts, your PM's with him, these posts, etc.). Contact other people's he's traded with for his PP address if they have it and use that too. You'll most likely win the dispute, and his only counter-case would be saying he provided his "consultant services" which he would never be able to prove because they don't exist.

Keep in mind that Bitcoin purchases/sales are against PP's ToS. If the OP provides proof that involves BTC, he will likely have his account frozen/lose the dispute.

Nope, I've seen bitcoin sales on eBay

[Wardrick]

What you need to do is screenshot everything, provide links, and provide detailed information after you open up a case in the dispute section. You need to call Paypal and talk to them on the phone, communicating through email and Paypal updates alone takes way to long and is not as successful as calling them. Provide screenshots of everything you think will help prove your case (his past trades, posts, your PM's with him, these posts, etc.). Contact other people's he's traded with for his PP address if they have it and use that too. You'll most likely win the dispute, and his only counter-case would be saying he provided his "consultant services" which he would never be able to prove because they don't exist.

Keep in mind that Bitcoin purchases/sales are against PP's ToS. If the OP provides proof that involves BTC, he will likely have his account frozen/lose the dispute.

Paypal and eBay are owned jointly, while some things are only allowed on the one site. eBay allows BTC sales and I highly doubt OP will get his account frozen and $1200 scammed with Paypal just letting it slide, all he has to say is he didn't read the ToS clearly enough, if even that. If eBay and Paypal are jointly owned and one is being a middleman for BTC sales through Paypal, he's most likely getting his money back.

As per Paypal's ToS:

Items/transactions not eligible for PayPal Seller protection

    Intangible items, including Digital Goods, and services.

As per Paypal's ToS all currency exchanging services are prohibited. The reason I posted is because that's the process you go through if you want to get your money back. You're not going to get anywhere lying about the situation unless you want to claim an unauthorized transaction to your bank. If you're not providing proof it's basically the OP's word against the Seller's word (where he's lying). If the seller can't provide proof that he provided consulting services to the OP and the OP provides proof that the trade was under different circumstances then he's going to get his money refunded.

[haploid23]

Nope, I've seen bitcoin sales on eBay

You'd be a fool if you think this is a sound business plan. I personally know someone who has had his account banned for solely doing just that.

[takagari]

What you need to do is screenshot everything, provide links, and provide detailed information after you open up a case in the dispute section. You need to call Paypal and talk to them on the phone, communicating through email and Paypal updates alone takes way to long and is not as successful as calling them. Provide screenshots of everything you think will help prove your case (his past trades, posts, your PM's with him, these posts, etc.). Contact other people's he's traded with for his PP address if they have it and use that too. You'll most likely win the dispute, and his only counter-case would be saying he provided his "consultant services" which he would never be able to prove because they don't exist.

Keep in mind that Bitcoin purchases/sales are against PP's ToS. If the OP provides proof that involves BTC, he will likely have his account frozen/lose the dispute.

Negative.
The op should of had it stipulate in the comment "A Payment of 4BTC to be made to wallet ####"
at least paypal could trace it. I'm sure they have a clue.

The comment is probably what screws him honestly

[Wardrick]

Nope, I've seen bitcoin sales on eBay

You'd be a fool if you think this is a sound business plan. I personally know someone who has had his account banned for solely doing just that.

You should message that person and tell them to get in contact with Paypal/eBay again to get their account unbanned. Take a look - http://www.ebay.com/bhp/bitcoin

[takagari]

USA ebay allows it. and the markup is nuts lol

[Wardrick]

USA ebay allows it. and the markup is nuts lol

President of Global Marketing made this statement - www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2n65df/ebays_president_of_global_marketing_business/ , I know it used to be banned, but only the US eBay site is allowing it? It seems since it's a worldwide currency that isn't owned by any country it would be allowed everywhere except in the places required by law to have it banned.

[takagari]

USA ebay allows it. and the markup is nuts lol

President of Global Marketing made this statement - www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2n65df/ebays_president_of_global_marketing_business/ , I know it used to be banned, but only the US eBay site is allowing it? It seems since it's a worldwide currency that isn't owned by any country it would be allowed everywhere except in the places required by law to have it banned.

If you attempt to post to ebay.ca in cryptocurrency (an actual category) It blocks it, saying only allowed on .com.........