[VXC] V.Cash (Was: [VNL] Vanillacoin), a quiet word of warning.

[jimlite]

So who is going to file the first lawsuit against John Connor, Satoshi? lol.

This is why I think this is all silly BS, it's anon people accusing other anon people of ripping each other off, in the end it all means nothing. All I care about is if the stuff works and serves a useful purpose, as far as I'm concerned anyone who is not willing to put their legal name to something and file the proper paperwork has no legal right over anything.

I pretty much agree with that. And John-Connor did say he would dox himself when the project can stand on its own and he is ready.  I have a feeling he will be someone very interesting and important, and hopefully that will clear all this up.

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[adhitthana]

FWIW, I politely reported the copyright violation (the code being a copy of Bitcoin Core run through an auto-formatter with all the attribution removed) as an issue on the github for the project and john-connor accused me of stalking him and then hid the issue tracker on that github from public view. :-/

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised as it's consistent with the rest of the concerns that resulted in creating this thread-- that there is some ongoing effort to keep that work out of the sunlight.

So someone (you?) copy-righted some code, which was some kind od adjustment of the original bitcoin code?
Sorry for the dumb question but I have never heard about this.
Thanks

[The Sceptical Chymist]

So last post was months ago, and OP was much longer than that.  Is this coin still around?  I understand quite clearly that the drama is still around, though it seems to have diminished.  Where do coins go when they're dead?  I vaguely remember Vanillacoin but it's just another shitcoin to me.

[patmast3r]

So last post was months ago, and OP was much longer than that.  Is this coin still around?  I understand quite clearly that the drama is still around, though it seems to have diminished.  Where do coins go when they're dead?  I vaguely remember Vanillacoin but it's just another shitcoin to me.

Still around still being supported by the same people. This thread did not do anything to em.

[TPTB_need_war]

So last post was months ago, and OP was much longer than that.  Is this coin still around?  I understand quite clearly that the drama is still around, though it seems to have diminished.  Where do coins go when they're dead?  I vaguely remember Vanillacoin but it's just another shitcoin to me.

Still around still being supported by the same people. This thread did not do anything to em.

Don't worry, the truth is out already:

I already explained upthread that ZeroTime (even when it is not Sybil attacked) can't scale and even your own shill admitted it isn't trustworthy.

And I already explained that ChainBlender is another Dash-like nonsense anonymity design.

The 'John' is not at our level. Period.

Now you know why the community is ignoring you. And I will now ignore you as well. Enjoy your circle-jerk.

[Levole11]

So last post was months ago, and OP was much longer than that.  Is this coin still around?  I understand quite clearly that the drama is still around, though it seems to have diminished.  Where do coins go when they're dead?  I vaguely remember Vanillacoin but it's just another shitcoin to me.

Still around still being supported by the same people. This thread did not do anything to em.

Don't worry, the truth is out already:

I already explained upthread that ZeroTime (even when it is not Sybil attacked) can't scale and even your own shrill admitted it isn't trustworthy.

And I already explained that ChainBlender is another Dash-like nonsense anonymity design.

The 'John' is not at our level. Period.

Now you know why the community is ignoring you. And I will now ignore you as well. Enjoy your circle-jerk.

Wow, arent you a pathetic troll..

I remember in the summer the community gave you the chance to perform a double spend based on your accusations then that ZT was flawed. There was a bounty. You never accepted the offer, saying you were working on a multi million project (lol) and it wasnt worth your time..

6-7 months later, no one has been able to perform a double spend yet, and you clearly showed with your post history here on bct, that you havent been working on a project (LIAR! lol)..

if you had accepted the offer at the time, perhaps you would have earned something (the bounty was a good amount for someone living in the phillipines) and it would make you more credible..  ( not to speak about the fact that even your gf is forcing you to get in action, because your almost broke )

entertaining to see how you make a fool of yourself, time after time and yet dont see it yourself

[TPTB_need_war]

I remember in the summer the community gave you the chance to perform a double spend based on your accusations then that ZT was flawed. There was a bounty. You never accepted the offer

Blah blah blah. No one whose opportunity costs is $200,000 - $500,000 yearly wastes their time on your nonsense tiny bounty in a coin that doesn't have sufficient liquidity to short and in which the mining (i.e. Zerotime network) is controlled by the flock of delusion shills. (additionally the bounty is in VNL and I had explained before what is the point of finding a flaw then the bounty value will decline as well)

We focus on the technical analysis and how it will perform in the wild.

Your rebuttal is entirely nonsense (as it was in the past), but of course you retarded shills will continue on with your delusion.

Readers are smart enough to see who is the fool in this debate. Delude yourself as you wish. Piss into the wind and troll your shadow in your tiny circle-jerk with your cohort bag holding shills.

[solid12345]

I'm not qualified enough to say if JC's code is really worth its weight in gold or not, but it tells you something when a Bitcoin dev gets riled up over what the dev in an endless sea of altcoins is doing. Same goes for someone claiming to make $500k a year...

[TPTB_need_war]

I'm not qualified enough to say if JC's code is really worth its weight in gold or not, but it tells you something when a Bitcoin dev gets riled up over what the dev in an endless sea of altcoins is doing. Same goes for someone claiming to make $500k a year...

I suggest you look up the phrase 'opportunity cost'. It doesn't mean that someone earns something. It means the potential of earning. And don't know what is wrong with your eyes but $200,000 - $500,000 is a range. And I don't know what rock you've been sleeping under, but college grads with no experience get $200,000 offers at Google. I was earning more than that in 1995.

You are really clueless as to what developers earn. Again my issue is only that I have cancer or some serious health issue. That is my only problem.

What you clueless n00bs write is entirely worthless. It would be like asking a snail to comment on math.

[jimlite]

I'm not qualified enough to say if JC's code is really worth its weight in gold or not, but it tells you something when a Bitcoin dev gets riled up over what the dev in an endless sea of altcoins is doing. Same goes for someone claiming to make $500k a year...

I suggest you look up the phrase 'opportunity cost'. It doesn't mean that someone earns something. It means the potential of earning. And don't know what is wrong with your eyes but $200,000 - $500,000 is a range. And I don't know what rock you've been sleeping under, but college grads with no experience get $200,000 offers at Google. I was earning more than that in 1995.

You are really clueless as to what developers earn. Again my issue is only that I have cancer or some serious health issue. That is my only problem.

What you clueless n00bs write is entirely worthless. It would be like asking a snail to comment on math.

Firstly, college grads getting $200,000 offers at Google is a few people out of hundreds of thousands of grads. Most make far less. But the more important thing, and I feel bad for you. is "I have cancer or some serious health issue." Well you better go find out which it is! I just did the colonoscopy and luckily was ok, I have some health issues though, but a hell of a lot better than cancer. Go take care of yourself man, instead of arguing on forums.

[flipme]

I'm not qualified enough to say if JC's code is really worth its weight in gold or not, but it tells you something when a Bitcoin dev gets riled up over what the dev in an endless sea of altcoins is doing. Same goes for someone claiming to make $500k a year...

I suggest you look up the phrase 'opportunity cost'. It doesn't mean that someone earns something. It means the potential of earning. And don't know what is wrong with your eyes but $200,000 - $500,000 is a range. And I don't know what rock you've been sleeping under, but college grads with no experience get $200,000 offers at Google. I was earning more than that in 1995.

You are really clueless as to what developers earn. Again my issue is only that I have cancer or some serious health issue. That is my only problem.

What you clueless n00bs write is entirely worthless. It would be like asking a snail to comment on math.

Hey fucker, you're an idiot!

[LovSan]

I'm not qualified enough to say if JC's code is really worth its weight in gold or not, but it tells you something when a Bitcoin dev gets riled up over what the dev in an endless sea of altcoins is doing. Same goes for someone claiming to make $500k a year...

You are really clueless as to what developers earn. Again my issue is only that I have cancer or some serious health issue. That is my only problem.

What you clueless n00bs write is entirely worthless. It would be like asking a snail to comment on math.

Hey, dude, it seems you will soon collapse under preasure of your karma, no need to make things even worse, stop insulting people you don't know (spilling shit over the board doesn't help in any known health issues). Be strong, wise and healthy in your next life, peace.

[solid12345]

I suggest you look up the phrase 'opportunity cost'. It doesn't mean that someone earns something. It means the potential of earning. And don't know what is wrong with your eyes but $200,000 - $500,000 is a range. And I don't know what rock you've been sleeping under, but college grads with no experience get $200,000 offers at Google. I was earning more than that in 1995.

Google "Average college salary" and "The overall average starting salary for Class of 2014 college graduates stands at $48,707, up 7.5 percent from the average of $45,327 posted by the Class of 2013 at this time last year, according to NACE's September 2014 Salary Survey report."

Unfortunately were not all as blessed to be hired as Scroogle coming out of school with no work experience.

But anyway the point stands, why is the dev of Bitcoin core and someone who says he routinely can/or/earns between $200k and $500k arguing for a year with the developer of a sub $1m dollar alt coin? (probably even sub $200k at the time Maxwell first got into it with JC) That makes even high school dropouts raise an eyebrow.

I saw this same phenomenon the other day when a lead Ethereum developer saw the volume on Expanse and got butthurt on twitter about it, getting absolutely angry over an asset worth 1/500th of his, is this what keeps the elite up at night?

[TPTB_need_war]

I suggest you look up the phrase 'opportunity cost'. It doesn't mean that someone earns something. It means the potential of earning. And don't know what is wrong with your eyes but $200,000 - $500,000 is a range. And I don't know what rock you've been sleeping under, but college grads with no experience get $200,000 offers at Google. I was earning more than that in 1995.

Google "Average college salary" and "The overall average starting salary for Class of 2014 college graduates stands at $48,707, up 7.5 percent from the average of $45,327 posted by the Class of 2013 at this time last year, according to NACE's September 2014 Salary Survey report."

I get so tired dealing with you guys that intentionally misrepresent the facts as the salary for "software engineer" is in the $75 - $100k range:

http://www.indeed.com/salary/Software-Engineer.html

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary

However, note I am expert in Scala, so that bumps me up to $110 - $120k range:

http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Scala-Programmer-l-California.html

But more importantly realize I was earning $80k + $1 million in stock options (2 year vestment) in 1995. Inflation adjusted that is 6 x $80 = $480,000 just in salary and not including the stock options.

Besides in 2001 alone, I earned roughly $350,000+. Inflation-adjusted that!

The only issue for me is my health problem. If I didn't have a health issue, I would wipe your retarded faces on my ass with my accomplishments.

Unfortunately were not all as blessed to be hired as Scroogle coming out of school with no work experience.

Fact is that I was earning more than the $200k that Google pays top recruited Stanford grads.

Weep but that is a fact.

Smooth earns more than $500k. And you guys waste his fucking time your retarded nonsense.

But anyway the point stands, why is the dev of Bitcoin core and someone who says he routinely can/or/earns between $200k and $500k arguing for a year with the developer of a sub $1m dollar alt coin? (probably even sub $200k at the time Maxwell first got into it with JC) That makes even high school dropouts raise an eyebrow.

Agreed! Same thing I've argued to smooth in private.

I saw this same phenomenon the other day when a lead Ethereum developer saw the volume on Expanse and got butthurt on twitter about it, getting absolutely angry over an asset worth 1/500th of his, is this what keeps the elite up at night?

I have no idea, but we are people. We do it for the social interaction and also much of my posting is about research. Because I need to research all technologies and competitors, so I might as well post my thoughts (for my own reference and also the people who follow my posts). I hope you realize I have 2 angel investors and they follow my posts.

[iCEBREAKER]

FWIW, I politely reported the copyright violation (the code being a copy of Bitcoin Core run through an auto-formatter with all the attribution removed) as an issue on the github for the project and john-connor accused me of stalking him and then hid the issue tracker on that github from public view. :-/

Did github ever do anything about the stolen code?

For unknown reasons, john-conner is now launching a bizarre FUD campaign against Monero, blaming smooth for the discovery of the code theft and claiming to have a portfolio of Cryptonote zero-days.

If github kicked VanillaTrash/Vtrash off their system, that would explain his random epic butthurt.

[smooth]

gmaxwell apparently reported it to the vanillacoin/vcash developers themselves via a github issue, assuming good faith which would have meant the lack of the required Bitcoin attributions was an honest error. Instead of correcting the error (which it clearly wasn't), the vanillacoin/vcash developers hid the issue.

As far as I know,no Bitcoin developer has, so far, reported the issue to github itself nor made a takedown request with github on the basis of the license violation and copyright infringement, but they would be within their rights to do so, and will be for the next 50+ years (unless the repo is deleted first).

[bigfryguy]

gmaxwell apparently reported it to the vanillacoin/vcash developers themselves via a github issue, assuming good faith which would have meant the lack of the required Bitcoin attributions was an honest error. Instead of correcting the error  (which it clearly wasn't), the vanillacoin/vcash developers hid the issue.

As far as I know,no Bitcoin developer has, so far, reported the issue to github itself nor made a takedown request with github on the basis of the license violation and copyright infringement, but they would be within their rights to do so, and will be for the next 50+ years (unless the repo is deleted first).

or John wrote a bunch a code while working through open SSL. And the code that you are refencing came from the work he originally developed..

actually thats probably full tin hat,  more likely Bitcoin Core are a bunch of lame ducks and have no idea who wrote that code in the first place...

1 year later no action(after lead dev G maxwell made that accusation)= not gonna happen.

[smooth]

gmaxwell apparently reported it to the vanillacoin/vcash developers themselves via a github issue, assuming good faith which would have meant the lack of the required Bitcoin attributions was an honest error. Instead of correcting the error  (which it clearly wasn't), the vanillacoin/vcash developers hid the issue.

As far as I know,no Bitcoin developer has, so far, reported the issue to github itself nor made a takedown request with github on the basis of the license violation and copyright infringement, but they would be within their rights to do so, and will be for the next 50+ years (unless the repo is deleted first).

or John wrote a bunch a code while working through open SSL. And the code that you are refencing came from the work he originally developed..

That is false. Only one of the code segments that was identified has anything to do with openssl, and john-connor is not the copyright holder of it anyway. Other relevant code from Bitcoin that he copied without permission does not come from openssl. It does not help you to add new lies on top of the original ones.

I and others have pointed this out already months ago, so you are probably just repeating it as continued obfuscation, though I don't remember if you specifically were on the thread where it was discussed. Other Vcash advocates certainly were.

@ceti, hypocrisy much? You obviously have no interest in this matter at all except your "few little issues" with me and Monero.

[iCEBREAKER]

gmaxwell apparently reported it to the vanillacoin/vcash developers themselves via a github issue, assuming good faith which would have meant the lack of the required Bitcoin attributions was an honest error. Instead of correcting the error (which it clearly wasn't), the vanillacoin/vcash developers hid the issue.

As far as I know,no Bitcoin developer has, so far, reported the issue to github itself nor made a takedown request with github on the basis of the license violation and copyright infringement, but they would be within their rights to do so, and will be for the next 50+ years (unless the repo is deleted first).

That's so scumbag of them!  It's OK, I know what to do...

What are the legal issues with exchanges like Poloniex running license violating software?

Is it any different than Poloniex using a cracked copy of Widows Server, or streaming a stolen copy of the new XMEN movie to their paying customers?

IIRC, it's worse a worse form of copyright infringement (civil vs criminal?) if you are making money with the pirated material.

Quick, everybody with a Polo account, go warn the admin/trollbox they are risking the FBI confiscating their servers (including wallets) if they don't stop copying Satoshi's floppy!

Polo and Bittrex need to stop exchanging coins using stolen software ASAP.  By doing so, they may be subject to civil and/or criminal penalties.

[smooth]

What are the legal issues with exchanges like Poloniex running license violating software?

Responsible businesses, especially regulated ones, are very unlikely to run software they are aware is illegally copied. This is both a response to your question that can be interpreted in a number of different ways, as well as a general observation.

An interesting case is a business concluding that it can't legally use some wallet software while still holding customer funds. How does it return the funds? I guess fair use might apply for the purpose of returning the funds, but it also might take lawyers a while to figure that out. Would fair use apply for a business making use of its own funds? Not as clear I guess.