Anyone else finds it ironic that THE forum on BTC doesn't integrate tipping?

[BayAreaCoins]

Well you seem to completely miss the point. And if the quote is in regards to me, i'm not asking for any tips, nor do i run ads in my signature as you've noticed.

I've missed the point eh?  You're not supposed to ask for tips... it just kinda happens.

Because i think that tipping/micro transactions are actually one of BTC (err crypto currency) use cases that makes sense and where it has no competition.

If you think tipping is so great then why aren't you actively encouraging it yourself?

If you want everyone to be able to be tipped, then you should start by making yourself tipable here.

This is literally all you hear on reddit...

Reddits gay... I could count the number of fucks I care about Reddit on one hand (zero)

If I was a gambling man I'd put money saying the OP is a Redditor.

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[DaRude]

Huh 

First you tell me i'm not suppose to ask for tips its just happens then assuming that i don't actively encourage it because i don't receive tips, then claiming i'm a Redditor?

For the record i'm not. But you seem to have issues following a conversation  so go bug someone else

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I've missed the point eh?  You're not supposed to ask for tips... it just kinda happens.
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If you think tipping is so great then why aren't you actively encouraging it yourself?

If you want everyone to be able to be tipped, then you should start by making yourself tipable here.
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Reddits gay... I could count the number of fucks I care about Reddit on one hand (zero)

If I was a gambling man I'd put money saying the OP is a Redditor.

[BayAreaCoins]

Huh  

First you tell me i'm not suppose to ask for tips its just happens then assuming that i don't actively encourage it because i don't receive tips, then claiming i'm a Redditor?

For the record i'm not. But you seem to have issues following a conversation   so go bug someone else

Just saying I find it ironic that you find micro tips so important to bitcoin, but you don't have your account integrated for tipping.  

Be the change you want to see... don't just cry about the way shit currently is.

Bitcoin doesn't need a third party to help dipshits send micro transactions to each other is all I'm saying.

[hilariousandco]

As discussed on the 'New forum software' board:

• Internal ChangeTip Mechanism
• ChangeTip for bitcointalk?

I've thought about that before, but I think that there might be legal problems with that. It might make the forum a "money transmitter".

AFAIK Theymos didn't specifically comment about using ChangeTip itself though (to avoid the money transmitter issue)

It'd be nice to get a solid answer if there's any truth to the money transmitter theory. But yeah clearly a third party solution would not be effected

An internal tipping system could lead to these issues (and others if funds are ever stolen or the forum is hacked etc), but there shouldn't be any issues with adding a third party like ChangeTip especially when YouTube & Reddit etc have them. I would like to see it added if it's not too much hassle or doesn't cause other problems.

Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums

I am sure that this would create a lot of scams.....similar to those that are on reddit.

In case you were wondering how the scams work:
-user A makes a "good" post/point
-user B tips user A a lot of bitcoin for the good post (user A is user B's alt)
-user B tips many of his other alts, appearing to be very generous
-user C is compelled to tip user B (who is unrelated to user B)
This would also create massive amounts of spam with people asking to be tipped for their shitty posts and people begging others who have been generous in the past

This is general debate against micro tipping. Yes that will yield some evils (e.g. more spam, beggers etc...)  but i still think that its upside outweighs its downfalls. Micro tipping is one of BTC current practical use cases. If some bad players will try to abuse it is no reason to abandonment.

I don't think begging spam would increase much but those posts will be deleted pretty quickly like regular begging requests and persistent beggars banned. I also agree the positives likely outweigh the negatives and would hopefully encourage and reward quality contributions and discussions.

[DaRude]

As discussed on the 'New forum software' board:

• Internal ChangeTip Mechanism
• ChangeTip for bitcointalk?

I've thought about that before, but I think that there might be legal problems with that. It might make the forum a "money transmitter".

AFAIK Theymos didn't specifically comment about using ChangeTip itself though (to avoid the money transmitter issue)

It'd be nice to get a solid answer if there's any truth to the money transmitter theory. But yeah clearly a third party solution would not be effected

An internal tipping system could lead to these issues (and others if funds are ever stolen or the forum is hacked etc), but there shouldn't be any issues with adding a third party like ChangeTip especially when YouTube & Reddit etc have them. I would like to see it added if it's not too much hassle or doesn't cause other problems.

Am i missing something here? I'd think bitcointalk would be on the forefront of tipping integration on forums

I am sure that this would create a lot of scams.....similar to those that are on reddit.

In case you were wondering how the scams work:
-user A makes a "good" post/point
-user B tips user A a lot of bitcoin for the good post (user A is user B's alt)
-user B tips many of his other alts, appearing to be very generous
-user C is compelled to tip user B (who is unrelated to user B)
This would also create massive amounts of spam with people asking to be tipped for their shitty posts and people begging others who have been generous in the past

This is general debate against micro tipping. Yes that will yield some evils (e.g. more spam, beggers etc...)  but i still think that its upside outweighs its downfalls. Micro tipping is one of BTC current practical use cases. If some bad players will try to abuse it is no reason to abandonment.

I don't think begging spam would increase much but those posts will be deleted pretty quickly like regular begging requests and persistent beggars banned. I also agree the positives likely outweigh the negatives and would hopefully encourage and reward quality contributions and discussions.

Ok i can see the liability issue with holding coins, but yeah seems that consensus is pro some sort of 3rd party solution

[deluxeCITY]

Sure and i could also PM you and ask for your BTC address, internet existed before webbrowsers, and phones before iPhone, but ...

I think the point here is a prove of concept and expose is to wide adoption (meaning being user friendly) as much as to encourage quality posts. If btc forum can't integrate user friendly BTC tipping, you really expect other forums adopting it?

Every account has a place in their profile for a BTC address, and many people have something in their signature that mentions they can send tips to a certain address if they liked their post.

As it was mentioned above, there is no real need to integrate a 3rd party app for any bitcoin payment, tipping included 

[hilariousandco]

Every account has a place in their profile for a BTC address, and many people have something in their signature that mentions they can send tips to a certain address if they liked their post.

As it was mentioned above, there is no real need to integrate a 3rd party app for any bitcoin payment, tipping included 

There's likely 'no real need' for many things but it is a nice addition. How many people will actually boot up their wallet to copy and paste an address and send a tip here? A third party application just makes it more convenient and a bit of fun, not to mention you'll actually know where the money came from. I think it can also act as a nice 'plus 1' feature but one where people can actually reward with something of worth to show their appreciation.

[TheButterZone]

Which is why addresses in profiles should be converted to bitcoin: hyperlinks and QR codes, no copy-pasta needed.

[deluxeCITY]

Every account has a place in their profile for a BTC address, and many people have something in their signature that mentions they can send tips to a certain address if they liked their post.

As it was mentioned above, there is no real need to integrate a 3rd party app for any bitcoin payment, tipping included 

There's likely 'no real need' for many things but it is a nice addition. How many people will actually boot up their wallet to copy and paste an address and send a tip here? A third party application just makes it more convenient and a bit of fun, not to mention you'll actually know where the money came from. I think it can also act as a nice 'plus 1' feature but one where people can actually reward with something of worth to show their appreciation.

There are a lot of people on the forum that strongly believe that you should always 100% control the private keys to your bitcoin. Any tipping feature that is "on forum" would obviously not allow that. Some people could leave a tab open for their blockchain.info wallet, or could leave multibit open all the time. I really don't think copying and pasting an address is that big of a deal to someone when they care enough to be giving away money.

Which is why addresses in profiles should be converted to bitcoin: hyperlinks and QR codes, no copy-pasta needed.

I think there was some kind of vulnerability a while back for people who had used "bitcoin:" links over a short period

[koshgel]

Every account has a place in their profile for a BTC address, and many people have something in their signature that mentions they can send tips to a certain address if they liked their post.

As it was mentioned above, there is no real need to integrate a 3rd party app for any bitcoin payment, tipping included  

There's likely 'no real need' for many things but it is a nice addition. How many people will actually boot up their wallet to copy and paste an address and send a tip here? A third party application just makes it more convenient and a bit of fun, not to mention you'll actually know where the money came from. I think it can also act as a nice 'plus 1' feature but one where people can actually reward with something of worth to show their appreciation.

There are a lot of people on the forum that strongly believe that you should always 100% control the private keys to your bitcoin. Any tipping feature that is "on forum" would obviously not allow that. Some people could leave a tab open for their blockchain.info wallet, or could leave multibit open all the time. I really don't think copying and pasting an address is that big of a deal to someone when they care enough to be giving away money.

The tipping would just be for novelty. The reason it is popular on reddit is because it introduced people to Bitcoin that had never heard of it before. Everyone on this forum has heard about it so not much point.

I could see some uses for it in the Gambling section for games and sports picks though.

[TheButterZone]

Which is why addresses in profiles should be converted to bitcoin: hyperlinks and QR codes, no copy-pasta needed.

I think there was some kind of vulnerability a while back for people who had used "bitcoin:" links over a short period

https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0021.mediawiki

[hilariousandco]

There are a lot of people on the forum that strongly believe that you should always 100% control the private keys to your bitcoin. Any tipping feature that is "on forum" would obviously not allow that. Some people could leave a tab open for their blockchain.info wallet, or could leave multibit open all the time. I really don't think copying and pasting an address is that big of a deal to someone when they care enough to be giving away money.

Most people won't care that much about keeping a tiny amount of btc with a third party to tip, but if they do then those people just wouldn't likely be interested in using it anyway (also sometimes it's just not possible to control your keys eg on an exchange). I'd certainly tip people if it was implemented but I'm not going to log into my wallet every time to do so just to send a bit of dust. The transaction fees wouldn't be worth it and that's where microtipping comes in.

[DaRude]

There are a lot of people on the forum that strongly believe that you should always 100% control the private keys to your bitcoin. Any tipping feature that is "on forum" would obviously not allow that. Some people could leave a tab open for their blockchain.info wallet, or could leave multibit open all the time. I really don't think copying and pasting an address is that big of a deal to someone when they care enough to be giving away money.

Most people won't care that much about keeping a tiny amount of btc with a third party to tip, but if they do then those people just wouldn't likely be interested in using it anyway (also sometimes it's just not possible to control your keys eg on an exchange). I'd certainly tip people if it was implemented but I'm not going to log into my wallet every time to do so just to send a bit of dust. The transaction fees wouldn't be worth it and that's where microtipping comes in.

Yeah that ^

Keeping 100% of your keys is extreme. I guess there are some people who keep all their money in cash under the pillow. But guessing the majority keep most in a bank/invested some in their wallets and some change in the car. So keep majority in cold storage some on your phone/hot wallet and maybe few bucks for tips etc...
I'm not firing up my wallet and copying pasting address to tip a buck

[gogxmagog]

If you are here, I would assume you are into bitcoin and learning how to use it. put your receiving address in your sig, at least have one on your profile page. Anyone with btc can send you some love directly from their wallet. Things like changetip are for n00bs and people who have no knowledge of how bitcoin works and is really meant for platforms where you don't know who will come across your content. Its made to facilitate and introduce btc. Is redundant here.

[DaRude]

If you are here, I would assume you are into bitcoin and learning how to use it. put your receiving address in your sig, at least have one on your profile page. Anyone with btc can send you some love directly from their wallet. Things like changetip are for n00bs and people who have no knowledge of how bitcoin works and is really meant for platforms where you don't know who will come across your content. Its made to facilitate and introduce btc. Is redundant here.

So you're saying tipping should just be exploited to introduce new users but is not actually useful as a service? If so i'll have to disagree. As having alternatives in place yes i agree, i can look it up in profile, i can also ask you for your address in PM, and instead of this forum we can write letters to each other... Would i ever do it probably not, would i click a button for insightful analysis and a good post, probably.

All arguments so far seem to fall into:
1-You already have a way to do it so why simplify make it user friendly.
2-Cons outweigh the pros (spam beggers etc...)

Which both i disagree with. Would love to see BTC as a standard tipping feature on all forums (sort of like saying Thanks for a post on some platforms). Sure some platforms might benefit more than others (thinking of stackexchange etc...) but still

[gogxmagog]

If you are here, I would assume you are into bitcoin and learning how to use it. put your receiving address in your sig, at least have one on your profile page. Anyone with btc can send you some love directly from their wallet. Things like changetip are for n00bs and people who have no knowledge of how bitcoin works and is really meant for platforms where you don't know who will come across your content. Its made to facilitate and introduce btc. Is redundant here.

So you're saying tipping should just be exploited to introduce new users but is not actually useful as a service? If so i'll have to disagree. As having alternatives in place yes i agree, i can look it up in profile, i can also ask you for your address in PM, and instead of this forum we can write letters to each other... Would i ever do it probably not, would i click a button for insightful analysis and a good post, probably.

All arguments so far seem to fall into:
1-You already have a way to do it so why simplify make it user friendly.
2-Cons outweigh the pros (spam beggers etc...)

Which both i disagree with. Would love to see BTC as a standard tipping feature on all forums (sort of like saying Thanks for a post on some platforms). Sure some platforms might benefit more than others (thinking of stackexchange etc...) but still

No no no, I did not mean to say tipping is for n00bz or as a gateway to introduce btc. I meant Tipbots and Changetip are for nOobz to get in on the game. They are great things for that, absolutely.
What I am saying is; we here know our BTC a little better than say your granny or who ever. I would hazard a guess that 99% of users here are capable of operating a wallet, sending receiving Btc, and posting an address. A bot is unnecessary.

EDIT- tipbot would be convenient though, however, I like that all I need is an address to send btc. Back to basics and good for new guys to come to terms with. For a while I had an address on a blog I run, with a "tip me" label. Not that anyone tipped the blog, I was still happy with the simplicity. It is not a btc related blog so a Changetip button sits there now. Users still have to get BTC and a CT account.

[siameze]

EDIT- tipbot would be convenient though, however, I like that all I need is an address to send btc. Back to basics and good for new guys to come to terms with. For a while I had an address on a blog I run, with a "tip me" label. Not that anyone tipped the blog, I was still happy with the simplicity. It is not a btc related blog so a Changetip button sits there now. Users still have to get BTC and a CT account.

I like this. I kinda feel the tipping culture that has spawned wants to make it unnecessarily complicated. I can pop a label on an address and send out a few bits quickly with no 3rd party involved. (No disrespect towards ChangeTip intended)

[BayAreaCoins]

(No disrespect towards ChangeTip intended)

I'll step in and disrespect it.

Anything that encourages people not to learn how something that they are holding $ in is fucking stupid.

Also taking advantage of n00bs for collecting fees of peoples good will is fucking horrible too.

Don't support third party tipping things. P2P ftw

1% for withdraw is a fucking joke... (I know it's free... for now )

[siameze]

(No disrespect towards ChangeTip intended)

I'll step in and disrespect it.

Anything that encourages people not to learn how something that they are holding $ in is fucking stupid.

Also taking advantage of n00bs for collecting fees of peoples good will is fucking horrible too.

Don't support third party tipping things. P2P ftw

1% for withdraw is a fucking joke... (I know it's free... for now )

Well someone picked up the slack anyway. I think there are much better ways.

[BayAreaCoins]

Well someone picked up the slack anyway. I think there are much better ways.

Thank god someone stepped up to the plate to jew Grannies and Grandpas out of their $.  Now we just need someone to slap them up and we are moon bound!

I don't see the slack I guess?