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July 09, 2012, 10:13:59 PM
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Just checking a barometer about Ron Paul.  Is the Libertarian community still fooled by Ron Paul?  Have they moved on to other demagogues to worship?  Maybe I shouldn't word the question like that.  Is Ron Paul still popular with Libertarians?

Who here as read "End the Fed" or "The Revolution: A Manifesto"?  The title of every book that Ron Paul writes should be entitled "<Title Here>: A Manifesto" because that is all that he writes.

For those who care about what I have to say about Ron Paul's latest book "End the Fed: (A Manifesto)" (parenthetically added) here is the link to my book review of "End the Fed".  Under the pen-name "John Anon".


http://www.amazon.com/End-Fed-Ron-Paul/product-reviews/0446549193/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar


Maybe it'll be the starting point for an interesting discussion.

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July 10, 2012, 12:08:44 AM
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I'll keep my politics out of your economics if you keep your economics out of my politics.

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July 10, 2012, 12:23:46 AM
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I think Ron Paul is a false hope, but that review was so long winded before it got to anything resembling a point, that I quit reading.

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July 10, 2012, 12:24:43 AM
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that review was so long winded before it got to anything resembling a point, that I quit reading.

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July 10, 2012, 12:32:01 AM
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I think Ron Paul is a false hope,

There never was much hope, only a fool's hope.

Unfortunately, Nobody didn't run.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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July 10, 2012, 12:39:37 AM
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Just checking a barometer about Ron Paul.  Is the Libertarian community still fooled by Ron Paul?  Have they moved on to other demagogues to worship?  Maybe I shouldn't word the question like that.  Is Ron Paul still popular with Libertarians?

Who here as read "End the Fed" or "The Revolution: A Manifesto"?  The title of every book that Ron Paul writes should be entitled "<Title Here>: A Manifesto" because that is all that he writes.

For those who care about what I have to say about Ron Paul's latest book "End the Fed: (A Manifesto)" (parenthetically added) here is the link to my book review of "End the Fed".  Under the pen-name "John Anon".


Sorry, but I didn't see any point of reading past this sentence considering that it just bleeds your bias, just like most of your posts here do...

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In order to explain the fallacy of this book and its fly-by-night ideology

The only reason that someone with your worldview bothers to read an entire book written by Ron Paul is to deconstruct it.  I'd wager it was real work for you to get through it, considering the massive aount of cognative dissonance that it must have caused you.  Even Paul Krugman hasn't actually read an entire book by Ron Paul.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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July 10, 2012, 12:46:02 AM
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Do you ever read or review on any books that you like?
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July 10, 2012, 12:56:17 AM
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He gave 5 stars to Roads to Reaction, by Herman Finer.
and 5 to The Biosphere: Complete Annotated Edition, by V. I. Vernadski

Of course, the reviews on the books he liked are short and concise, the reviews on the books he disliked are tirades.

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July 10, 2012, 01:17:36 AM
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I think niemivh's a madman. Completely lost his marbles. 
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July 10, 2012, 01:32:30 AM
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He gave 5 stars to Roads to Reaction, by Herman Finer.
and 5 to The Biosphere: Complete Annotated Edition, by V. I. Vernadski

Of course, the reviews on the books he liked are short and concise, the reviews on the books he disliked are tirades.

aye, missed those scrolling through the first time because I was scanning for large volumes of text. ;p He had no choice but to 5 star Roads to Reaction because it proves his review of Roads to Serfdom.


@OP  I'd be happy to debate and converse with you but sadly I am not capable of communicating at the level of extreme cynicism that would be necessary.

I did read atleast a few paragraphs of your posted review. I was having a hard time getting past your perceived disdain for Ron Paul sopporters to find the true nuggets of insight against the Libertarian ideals that Pual has supported for the majority of his career. Not being familiar with the book, maybe it came off sounding like some loud mouth teen, high on angst and low in capacity for self indentification. But a read of the book would probably be needed to make such a distinction. You did read this book, right?

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July 10, 2012, 01:36:22 AM
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I think niemivh's a madman. Completely lost his marbles. 

Well, he's stated that what happened to move him away from libertarianism is that he read some old books... And we all know what happens when you read the books...


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July 10, 2012, 07:50:48 PM
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Cynicism?  How avant garde of you.

I'll keep my politics out of your economics if you keep your economics out of my politics.

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July 10, 2012, 07:53:20 PM
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that review was so long winded before it got to anything resembling a point, that I quit reading.

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Sorry, I forgot that Libertarians typically have the attention spans of gnats and that's why they are suckered into destroying themselves with their chintzy ideological crackpotisms.  They can't be bothered with reading anything that isn't 2-dimensionally simple, by someone like Ron Paul, that speaks down to them and degrades their intelligence.

I'll keep my politics out of your economics if you keep your economics out of my politics.

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July 10, 2012, 07:57:09 PM
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Just checking a barometer about Ron Paul.  Is the Libertarian community still fooled by Ron Paul?  Have they moved on to other demagogues to worship?  Maybe I shouldn't word the question like that.  Is Ron Paul still popular with Libertarians?

Who here as read "End the Fed" or "The Revolution: A Manifesto"?  The title of every book that Ron Paul writes should be entitled "<Title Here>: A Manifesto" because that is all that he writes.

For those who care about what I have to say about Ron Paul's latest book "End the Fed: (A Manifesto)" (parenthetically added) here is the link to my book review of "End the Fed".  Under the pen-name "John Anon".


Sorry, but I didn't see any point of reading past this sentence considering that it just bleeds your bias, just like most of your posts here do...

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In order to explain the fallacy of this book and its fly-by-night ideology

The only reason that someone with your worldview bothers to read an entire book written by Ron Paul is to deconstruct it.  I'd wager it was real work for you to get through it, considering the massive aount of cognative dissonance that it must have caused you.  Even Paul Krugman hasn't actually read an entire book by Ron Paul.


Psychoanalysis?  Really?  As the first thing out of the gate?  You move awful fast.  I only resort to psychoanalysis as a last resort.  It's always telling for someone to result to this first, because they have nothing to say and no understanding of the subject matter.  Perhaps after Ron Paul's ideology is sufficiently discussed then you could have something remotely approximating a psychoanalysis, but give it a minute, hold your horses if you'd like to have a patina of creditability.

I'll keep my politics out of your economics if you keep your economics out of my politics.

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July 10, 2012, 07:57:33 PM
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It's rare.

 Cheesy

It's the books that really get under my skin that I feel I must review.

I'll keep my politics out of your economics if you keep your economics out of my politics.

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