BurtW arrested (update: charges dropped!)

[inBitweTrust]

Its a temporary condition. Well, it may be serial for some - I dunno. However, bear in mind that the so-called 'harmful effects' due to the ignorant believers is limited to non-coercive ones. What consequences do you believe this asserted 'responsibility to society' should carry?

The consequence of a slightly tarnished reputation. I.E... Some of the people actively promoting ponzi's in their signatures actively admit they do so knowingly but don't care because caveat emptor or profits trump ethics, others take it down when they are presented with the evidence(some were ignorant beforehand and some not, but the shame of peers letting them know that such behavior is unacceptable is enough), and others are completely ignorant to the scam they promote. The last example where one is genuinely ignorant to the facts should be empathized with but still hold some responsibility for their credulity and lack of common sense.

Additionally, another example of individuals who hold responsibility and deserve a certain degree of disdain are people like me who will pay certain taxes under duress from violent coercive thugs. You can empathize with my and others situation but in the end we are all still responsible for funding those drones that murdered those humans without due process.


I live no where near Burt but would recommend those that do handout Jury Nullification pamphlets before and during his trial :

http://fija.org/document-library/brochures/

If the charges do involve money laundering for drug dealers /users than Colorado is definitely one state where there are more people sympathetic towards the legalization of drugs than other locations.

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[CoinCidental]

everyone who was here at that time  knows he was operating  a ppt for pirateat40 (trendon shavers )
the people 5-6 persons who ran the ppts were at the top of the ponzi and shavers was the "mastermind"  who devised  it 

And again I repeat. Nobody who was here at the time knows anything about BurtW operating a ppt for pirateat40. At least nobody claims to. Well, you claim such. But what is the basis for your claim? I stress here the "for pirateat40" part.

You're making an extraordinary claim of fact, yet you once again conveniently fail to provide any evidence whatsoever.

i know who was advertising the ppts and pimping the ponzi at the time because i was here and watched it implode in real time
pirateat40 is trendon shavers,thats been proven is court in shavers trial
they all met in vegas and there is photographic evidence if you bother doing a search
believe what you want ,im not going to argue about it but the evidence is splattered all over the place

burtw's wife even confirmed  yesterday he was in the ponzi but he apparently didnt make a profit from it ,he claims to have lost coins but you just keep
flapping away and let the court decide based on the FACTS  they have ascertained

[jbreher]

Its a temporary condition. Well, it may be serial for some - I dunno. However, bear in mind that the so-called 'harmful effects' due to the ignorant believers is limited to non-coercive ones. What consequences do you believe this asserted 'responsibility to society' should carry?

The consequence of a slightly tarnished reputation.

I can live with that. You can throw me in that bucket too. I was once taken in. By a ponzi. BTCST. Through a PPT, in fact. Live & learn.

Additionally, another example of individuals who hold responsibility and deserve a certain degree of disdain are people like me who will pay certain taxes under duress from violent coercive thugs.

You can throw me in that bucket too. But that's another discussion entirely.

[jbreher]

everyone who was here at that time  knows he was operating  a ppt for pirateat40 (trendon shavers )
the people 5-6 persons who ran the ppts were at the top of the ponzi and shavers was the "mastermind"  who devised  it  

And again I repeat. Nobody who was here at the time knows anything about BurtW operating a ppt for pirateat40. At least nobody claims to. Well, you claim such. But what is the basis for your claim? I stress here the "for pirateat40" part.

You're making an extraordinary claim of fact, yet you once again conveniently fail to provide any evidence whatsoever.

i know who was advertising the ppts and pimping the ponzi at the time because i was here and watched it implode in real time

Again, whatever you witnessed is not evidence of BurtW operating a PPT for pirateat40. I don't know why you refuse to acknowledge the distinction. From all available evidence the PPTs were independent businesses, not affiliated with nor directed by Shavers. They performed the equivalent of purchasing a product from Shavers, and selling it at a markup to others. To do so does not imply that they knew it was a ponzi.

Again, if you have any evidence that the PPTs were taking direction from Shavers, and indeed that they knew is was a scam, put up or shut up. You stalwartly refuse to provide the evidence you have been repeatedly asked to provide. You appear either dishonest or unwitting due to this simple fact.

pirateat40 is trendon shavers,thats been proven is court in shavers trial

If there is _anything_ that I have posted that you think indicates I disagree with this, please point it out, so I can clarify.

they all met in vegas and there is photographic evidence if you bother doing a search

Evidence that they were in the same room, at the same table. I can identify about half those in the pic on sight. Can you? Not that it matters. Physical presence with another person does not prove that all present know the intimate details of each others' businesses.

believe what you want ,im not going to argue about it but the evidence is splattered all over the place

Again, the evidence of _what_ exactly?

burtw's wife even confirmed  yesterday he was in the ponzi

"in the ponzi"? Her precise words please? And you know it is Burt's wife because.... why exactly? (Note - not that I dispute that the burtw.com site is  owned by Burt and/or family -- indeed, I am convinced that it is -- but I want to hear your reasons)

but he apparently didnt make a profit from it ,he claims to have lost coins

Yes, as far as I know, he lost a lot of money in the BTCST implosion.

but you just keep
flapping away and let the court decide based on the FACTS  they have ascertained

Yes. It is up to the court to make a ruling based upon the evidence presented to it. However, unlike you, I am not making statements of fact about things about which I do not know to be factual. You keep rendering your useless opinion clothed in the garb of The One Real Truth.

[CoinCidental]

everyone who was here at that time  knows he was operating  a ppt for pirateat40 (trendon shavers )
the people 5-6 persons who ran the ppts were at the top of the ponzi and shavers was the "mastermind"  who devised  it  

And again I repeat. Nobody who was here at the time knows anything about BurtW operating a ppt for pirateat40. At least nobody claims to. Well, you claim such. But what is the basis for your claim? I stress here the "for pirateat40" part.

You're making an extraordinary claim of fact, yet you once again conveniently fail to provide any evidence whatsoever.

i know who was advertising the ppts and pimping the ponzi at the time because i was here and watched it implode in real time

Again, whatever you witnessed is not evidence of BurtW operating a PPT for pirateat40. I don't know why you refuse to acknowledge the distinction. From all available evidence the PPTs were independent businesses, not affiliated with nor directed by Shavers. They performed the equivalent of purchasing a product from Shavers, and selling it at a markup to others. To do so does not imply that they knew it was a ponzi.

Again, if you have any evidence that the PPTs were taking direction from Shavers, and indeed that they knew is was a scam, put up or shut up. You stalwartly refuse to provide the evidence you have been repeatedly asked to provide. You appear either dishonest or unwitting due to this simple fact.

pirateat40 is trendon shavers,thats been proven is court in shavers trial

If there is _anything_ that I have posted that you think indicates I disagree with this, please point it out, so I can clarify.

they all met in vegas and there is photographic evidence if you bother doing a search

Evidence that they were in the same room, at the same table. I can identify about half those in the pic on sight. Can you? Not that it matters. Physical presence with another person does not prove that all present know the intimate details of each others' businesses.

believe what you want ,im not going to argue about it but the evidence is splattered all over the place

Again, the evidence of _what_ exactly?

burtw's wife even confirmed  yesterday he was in the ponzi

"in the ponzi"? Her precise words please? And you know it is Burt's wife because.... why exactly? (Note - not that I dispute that the burtw.com site is  owned by Burt and/or family -- indeed, I am convinced that it is -- but I want to hear your reasons)

but he apparently didnt make a profit from it ,he claims to have lost coins

Yes, as far as I know, he lost a lot of money in the BTCST implosion.

but you just keep
flapping away and let the court decide based on the FACTS  they have ascertained

Yes. It is up to the court to make a ruling based upon the evidence presented to it. However, unlike you, I am not making statements of fact about things about which I do not know to be factual. You keep rendering your useless opinion clothed in the garb of The One Real Truth.

open your eyes ,the facts are plain as day for all except those who refuse to see them
youve even confirmed some of the points i made and added your own explainations for them ,maybe i should ask you for evidence .....
i can also identify over half the people at the table in real life as well as their online handles but as ive already said they helped to run the ponzi ,that much is a fact ,whether or not they knew it was a ponzi is a differnt story ......
let him have his day in court
if he can prove he hasnt trasmitted btc or money without a licence or wasnt involved in the ponzi all  charges will be dropped and i will be happy and i assume burtw will be happy too ..........but im leaning towards he cannot at this time

[jbreher]

... they helped to run the ponzi ...

In am done arguing with someone who is incapable of understanding that the PPTs and Pirate's businesses were, from all available evidence, not the same business.

[moriartybitcoin]

best of luck to BurtW .. seems like the System got him in its jaws now

[sed]

I had good discussions on here with Burt W.  I hope he ends up okay.

[Kprawn]

Does anyone have any contact with him, other than this forum? I would really like to hear his side of the story. 

We are ALL making our own assumptions and if you look at his post history, you would notice that he did contribute a lot to the forum.

BurtW if you are still out there, ask someone to post something on here to say if you are OK.

Good luck

[Mewtwo]

Oh shit, I remember him from the forum last year. :/

[champbronc2]

Wish we would tell what exactly was different about BurtW and other LBC sellers..

[CoinCidental]

Wish we would tell what exactly was different about BurtW and other LBC sellers..

probably the volume ...........

[pawel7777]

Wish we would tell what exactly was different about BurtW and other LBC sellers..

probably the volume ...........

Probably not:

The indictment says:

involved the transport and transmission of funds that were known to the defendant to have been derived from a criminal offense and were intended to be used to promote and support unlawful activity

I wonder what that's about. I doubt that he was knowingly helping the Silk Road or anything like that...

Likely a sting operation, in which he agreed to proceed with BTC transaction knowing the funds will be used for something illegal.

[sed]

Does anyone have any contact with him, other than this forum? I would really like to hear his side of the story. 

We are ALL making our own assumptions and if you look at his post history, you would notice that he did contribute a lot to the forum.

BurtW if you are still out there, ask someone to post something on here to say if you are OK.

Good luck

Yah, I'd like to hear that too.  Also, maybe Burt W is speaking about his situation somewhere else.  I'd like to know more.

[Remember remember the 5th of November]

And to think he once contacted me because he did not want to be associated with Bruce Wagner, seems like all Wagners are the same.

[matt4054]

seems like all Wagners are the same.

Srsly?

And what about Zerlan, Zipkin and Garza, seems like all Joshes are the same

I call it BS

[moriartybitcoin]

he'll do some real time, at least 2yrs, maybe 5yrs .. then halfway house, then 3yrs probation, felony conviction .. all for what? selling some fucking digital money? Absurd.

[Bobsurplus]

BurtW was recently arrested. The indictment (located by Raize):
http://www.scribd.com/doc/248973784/Bitcoin-indictment

Is there anything we can do to help him? There's a site with a donation address, though I'm a little suspicious that the site might be fake. (The arrest itself is very likely real.)

Just curious... did you do anything to help Ross?? I mean Besides turning over the IP info on him to the feds!

[moriartybitcoin]

BurtW was recently arrested. The indictment (located by Raize):
http://www.scribd.com/doc/248973784/Bitcoin-indictment

Is there anything we can do to help him? There's a site with a donation address, though I'm a little suspicious that the site might be fake. (The arrest itself is very likely real.)

Just curious... did you do anything to help Ross?? I mean Besides turning over the IP info on him to the feds!

lol no theymos didnt do shit except helm them convict him ...

[Bobsurplus]

BurtW was recently arrested. The indictment (located by Raize):
http://www.scribd.com/doc/248973784/Bitcoin-indictment

Is there anything we can do to help him? There's a site with a donation address, though I'm a little suspicious that the site might be fake. (The arrest itself is very likely real.)

Just curious... did you do anything to help Ross?? I mean Besides turning over the IP info on him to the feds!

lol no theymos didnt do shit except helm them convict him ...

I figured as much but Id love to hear it from the mouth of theymos.