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April 18, 2015, 08:38:14 AM
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Yes some of it is very easy to connect, but others not so much.

Like what was DPR investing in at that time period when he was receiving profits from investments?

what was the $10,000 to "slush" who is slush? is that french slush?

why so many payments to cimon?

why did SR have $2,000,000 held in MTGOX? profits upto that point don't even meet 1/4 of that, so they were holding escrow funds in MTGOX?


what is the "cimon debacle development" that cost $98,000, was that a payment for a hit?

where and whom did they buy FPGA's from?

why was cimon paid for FPGA's?

expense sheet - http://antilop.cc/sr/exhibits/253456480-Silk-Road-exhibits-GX-250.pdf
why so many payments to the hacker?

so many questions.....


There are indeed a lot of open questions and it will be intersting to find out more.

FGPAs were probably used for mining and the "investment" could be the return from mining/trading

Oh, the Hacker payments are most likely connected to these DDdos attacks, SR was suffering.

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April 18, 2015, 08:47:45 AM
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@elasticband, very interesting finds.

Where can I get those files?
The SR accounts I mean.

BTW did you guys notice the last entry on the last image?
It says payroll (sr2.0) ....

Apart from that, this goes to show that VJ aka cimon was getting paid by Ross.

Also, who is the hacker he kept paying?
And what for?


You can connect some, if not most of the payments with the timeline at http://antilop.cc/sr/#timeline

For example this "op greenville" is dated while the "murder" of Curtis Green took place:

21/02/2013 - Undercover Agent tells DPR that The employee (Curtis Green) "died of asphyxiation/heart rupture" while being tortured and sends DPR a fake pic.

That day he spent 162000$ for "op greenville" (op like operation, like if he moved his ass somehow to make part of the op. lol . He sat on a couch at his home or at a library and tipped some stuff on his keyboard. Thats all)


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^^^ that makes sense


SR2 is refering to a big site update and not to the SR2 where Defcon got arrested.
Most of the files you'll find on http://antilop.cc/sr/ (scroll down)

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@elasticband, very interesting finds.

Where can I get those files?
The SR accounts I mean.

BTW did you guys notice the last entry on the last image?
It says payroll (sr2.0) ....

Apart from that, this goes to show that VJ aka cimon was getting paid by Ross.

Also, who is the hacker he kept paying?
And what for?


You can connect some, if not most of the payments with the timeline at http://antilop.cc/sr/#timeline

For example this "op greenville" is dated while the "murder" of Curtis Green took place:

21/02/2013 - Undercover Agent tells DPR that The employee (Curtis Green) "died of asphyxiation/heart rupture" while being tortured and sends DPR a fake pic.

That day he spent 162000$ for "op greenville" (op like operation, like if he moved his ass somehow to make part of the op. lol . He sat on a couch at his home or at a library and tipped some stuff on his keyboard. Thats all)


-snip-

^^^ that makes sense


SR2 is refering to a big site update and not to the SR2 where Defcon got arrested.
Most of the files you'll find on http://antilop.cc/sr/ (scroll down)


Still trying to wrap my head around this.....

Observations:
1) DPR was stupid, actually a complete moron.
2) DPR fell under a thing called entrapment, as from what I have noticed most of his crew was agents.
Even the "kill" calls was enforced to him by the agents.
Seriously, if someone (actually more than one) told you that your life is in danger an not just yours, all your co-workers too by a "thug",
and all you have to do is give ME the green light to make it "disappear" what would you do?

Now, enough with that, I have much more reading to do but....

WHO IS DA?
http://antilop.cc/sr/exhibits/253456466-Silk-Road-exhibits-GX-222.pdf
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OK, reading DPRs and VJs logs I can most certainly say that VJ was an agent....

Still reading so this claim might change....

EDIT: Who the f*ck is  PatHenry?

This thing is giving me a headache to the point of where I do not wanna bother anymore...
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@elasticband, very interesting finds.

Where can I get those files?
The SR accounts I mean.

BTW did you guys notice the last entry on the last image?
It says payroll (sr2.0) ....

Apart from that, this goes to show that VJ aka cimon was getting paid by Ross.

Also, who is the hacker he kept paying?
And what for?


You can connect some, if not most of the payments with the timeline at http://antilop.cc/sr/#timeline

For example this "op greenville" is dated while the "murder" of Curtis Green took place:

21/02/2013 - Undercover Agent tells DPR that The employee (Curtis Green) "died of asphyxiation/heart rupture" while being tortured and sends DPR a fake pic.

That day he spent 162000$ for "op greenville" (op like operation, like if he moved his ass somehow to make part of the op. lol . He sat on a couch at his home or at a library and tipped some stuff on his keyboard. Thats all)


-snip-

^^^ that makes sense


SR2 is refering to a big site update and not to the SR2 where Defcon got arrested.
Most of the files you'll find on http://antilop.cc/sr/ (scroll down)


Still trying to wrap my head around this.....

Observations:
1) DPR was stupid, actually a complete moron.
2) DPR fell under a thing called entrapment, as from what I have noticed most of his crew was agents.
Even the "kill" calls was enforced to him by the agents.
Seriously, if someone (actually more than one) told you that your life is in danger an not just yours, all your co-workers too by a "thug",
and all you have to do is give ME the green light to make it "disappear" what would you do?

Now, enough with that, I have much more reading to do but....

WHO IS DA?
http://antilop.cc/sr/exhibits/253456466-Silk-Road-exhibits-GX-222.pdf

As for who is DA:
18/06/2011 - DigitalAlch registers an account on Silk Road forum.

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April 18, 2015, 01:29:10 PM
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OK, reading DPRs and VJs logs I can most certainly say that VJ was an agent....

Still reading so this claim might change....

EDIT: Who the f*ck is  PatHenry?

This thing is giving me a headache to the point of where I do not wanna bother anymore...

PatHenry seems to be Inigo

17/10/2012 - User Inigo registers an account on SR forum.

and from https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261111

"In 2012, DPR was sent the Virginia driver's license of Andrew Michael Jones, a.k.a. inigo, the man he hired to manage message forums. He called himself "Patrick Henry" in one chat:"

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I found something, that didn't really surprise me, but it's still very interesting:

The interview, that was made with "DPR" by Alan Greenberg was not made with Ross Ulbricht, but with Variety Jones:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/08/14/an-interview-with-a-digital-drug-lord-the-silk-roads-dread-pirate-roberts-qa/

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Q: Can you tell me anything about the original creator of the Silk Road? How did you meet? And did you acquire the Silk Road from him in a financial deal of some kind, or simply take over the project?

A: He was well compensated and happy with our arrangement. It was his idea to pass the torch in fact. We met through the site. I had discovered a big vulnerability in the way he had configured the main Bitcoin wallet that was being used to process all of the deposits and withdrawals on the site. At first he ignored me, but I persisted and gained his trust by helping him secure the wallet. From there we became close friends working on Silk Road together.

In Ross' journal it says exactly that, how Ross met VJ:

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"Around this time, Variety Jones showed up. This was the biggest and strongest willed character I had met through the site thus far. He quickly proved to me that he had value by pointing out a major security hole in the site I was unaware of. It was an attack on bitcoind."

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I found something, that didn't really surprise me, but it's still very interesting:

The interview, that was made with "DPR" by Alan Greenberg was not made with Ross Ulbricht, but with Variety Jones:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/08/14/an-interview-with-a-digital-drug-lord-the-silk-roads-dread-pirate-roberts-qa/

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Q: Can you tell me anything about the original creator of the Silk Road? How did you meet? And did you acquire the Silk Road from him in a financial deal of some kind, or simply take over the project?

A: He was well compensated and happy with our arrangement. It was his idea to pass the torch in fact. We met through the site. I had discovered a big vulnerability in the way he had configured the main Bitcoin wallet that was being used to process all of the deposits and withdrawals on the site. At first he ignored me, but I persisted and gained his trust by helping him secure the wallet. From there we became close friends working on Silk Road together.

In Ross' journal it says exactly that, how Ross met VJ:

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"Around this time, Variety Jones showed up. This was the biggest and strongest willed character I had met through the site thus far. He quickly proved to me that he had value by pointing out a major security hole in the site I was unaware of. It was an attack on bitcoind."


Yeap, I made the same observation here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935434.msg11102748#msg11102748

But I do not have DPRs journals to go through and confirm.
(Where can I get them btw? Is it here: http://antilop.cc/sr/#timeline - Sorry still going through the timeline  Grin )

The question(s) is:
Why was VJ in an interview on behalf of DPR?
Did he/she convince him to do it?

Also, I have read (can't remember where) that VJ aka cimon was not on DPRs payroll but the recent discoveries by elasticband clearly shows that VJ aka cimon did receive money from DPR on several occassions.

Other than that, as I have mentioned before, DPR was VERY careless and I am surprised it took the feds so long to get him....

EDIT: BTW, did anyone notice that SR was busted shortly after that interview?
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The journal: http://www.wired.com/2015/01/heres-secret-silk-road-journal-laptop-ross-ulbricht/

Now it looks like Ross really sold the site to VJ who took over his invented DPR moniker and made the interview. At this time the DEA was already close to Ross Ulbricht: They had his name one month later.
I am pretty sure we could find proof for this in the 1400 chat log pages.
The story could lead to Variety Jones taking over SR from Ross until it was closed by the feds and Ross arrested and later he organised the restart as SilkRoad2 as DPR again. He sucked out as much of BTC as he could get and then sold the site to Defcon who has been arrested short time later. Pure coincidence some would say....

Edit: To me it looks like Variety Jones aka Plural of Mongoose aka DreadPirateRoberts (from SR1 AND SR2!) is Thomas Clark. The one who had this dispute about icmag with Gypsy Nirvana (currently arrested in Manila - coincidence?) and as far as I can see it, he is still around.

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The journal: http://www.wired.com/2015/01/heres-secret-silk-road-journal-laptop-ross-ulbricht/

Now it looks like Ross really sold the site to VJ who took over his invented DPR moniker and made the interview. At this time the DEA was already close to Ross Ulbricht: They had his name one month later.
I am pretty sure we could find proof for this in the 1400 chat log pages.
The story could lead to Variety Jones taking over SR from Ross until it was closed by the feds and Ross arrested and later he organised the restart as SilkRoad2 as DPR again. He sucked out as much of BTC as he could get and then sold the site to Defcon who has been arrested short time later. Pure coincidence some would say....


That would actually make sense if VJ was an agent....
Sorry but after reading some (not all) of DPRs/cimons logs that is the impression I get.

Apart from that I cannot still understand WHY would anyone keep a "journal" of their illegal activities.

Too much confidence?
If he was tech-savvy then he would know that NOTHING is safe.
So I doubt confidence was the reason.

It's just too convienient....

EDIT: Where's my manners?... Thanks for the link  Cheesy Will check out his journal when I get some time.
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The journal: http://www.wired.com/2015/01/heres-secret-silk-road-journal-laptop-ross-ulbricht/

Now it looks like Ross really sold the site to VJ who took over his invented DPR moniker and made the interview. At this time the DEA was already close to Ross Ulbricht: They had his name one month later.
I am pretty sure we could find proof for this in the 1400 chat log pages.
The story could lead to Variety Jones taking over SR from Ross until it was closed by the feds and Ross arrested and later he organised the restart as SilkRoad2 as DPR again. He sucked out as much of BTC as he could get and then sold the site to Defcon who has been arrested short time later. Pure coincidence some would say....


That would actually make sense if VJ was an agent....
Sorry but after reading some (not all) of DPRs/cimons logs that is the impression I get.

Apart from that I cannot still understand WHY would anyone keep a "journal" of their illegal activities.

Too much confidence?
If he was hi-tech then he would know that NOTHING is safe.
So I doubt confidence was the reason.

It's just too convienient....

EDIT: Where's my manners?... Thanks for the link  Cheesy Will check out his journal when I get some time.

Bolded for emphasis.

Exsmactly, sounds like it was an attempted frame-up or just plain stupid. But if Ross was such a bad-ass drug dealer, again, it doesn't make a lick of sense to keep a journal UNLESS he was afraid of a bigger badder wolf, in this case Carl Mark Force and Shaun Bridges. If he didn't keep the journal, who knows, maybe they would have gotten away with it. Maybe it was a last ditch effort to take them down with him. He gets somekind of justice after all.
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The journal: http://www.wired.com/2015/01/heres-secret-silk-road-journal-laptop-ross-ulbricht/

Now it looks like Ross really sold the site to VJ who took over his invented DPR moniker and made the interview. At this time the DEA was already close to Ross Ulbricht: They had his name one month later.
I am pretty sure we could find proof for this in the 1400 chat log pages.
The story could lead to Variety Jones taking over SR from Ross until it was closed by the feds and Ross arrested and later he organised the restart as SilkRoad2 as DPR again. He sucked out as much of BTC as he could get and then sold the site to Defcon who has been arrested short time later. Pure coincidence some would say....


That would actually make sense if VJ was an agent....
Sorry but after reading some (not all) of DPRs/cimons logs that is the impression I get.

Apart from that I cannot still understand WHY would anyone keep a "journal" of their illegal activities.

Too much confidence?
If he was hi-tech then he would know that NOTHING is safe.
So I doubt confidence was the reason.

It's just too convienient....

EDIT: Where's my manners?... Thanks for the link  Cheesy Will check out his journal when I get some time.

Bolded for emphasis.

Exsmactly, sounds like it was an attempted frame-up or just plain stupid. But if Ross was such a bad-ass drug dealer, again, it doesn't make a lick of sense to keep a journal UNLESS he was afraid of a bigger badder wolf, in this case Carl Mark Force and Shaun Bridges. If he didn't keep the journal, who knows, maybe they would have gotten away with it. Maybe it was a last ditch effort to take them down with him. He gets somekind of justice after all.

I say horseshit....
That journal is NOT Ross's.

First of all from what I have read from the link given to me the journal starts at 03/20/2013.
AFAIK SR started from 2012 2011, so where's the rest of it?
Apart from that, there's MANY things in the journal that do not make sense so when I have some time I will break it down.

Once again this is horseshit!
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Well, Ross had not just this journal, where I remember, he wrote it in preparation of a book or something, but he saved a lot of his chats, passwords, id's and more on his laptop. He was clearly not experienced in computer security and might have been an easy victim of VJ or Shaun Bridges penetrating his personal laptop and planting files.

edit1:
The journal starts earlier. The link I posted seems to be just an excerpt, you can find the complete journal in the exhibit list: http://antilop.cc/sr/files/2014_12_10_ULBRICHT_evidence_lists.pdf


Here is the full one:

http://antilop.cc/sr/exhibits/253456476-Silk-Road-exhibits-GX-240B.pdf
http://antilop.cc/sr/exhibits/253456478-Silk-Road-exhibits-GX-240C.pdf
http://antilop.cc/sr/exhibits/GX-240D.pdf

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January 1st 2012
Well, I'm choosing to write a journal for 2012.  I imagine that some day I may have a story
written about my life, and it would be good to have a detailed account of it

edit3: He already had a megalomanic tendency back then (if he really wrote this journal - which I believe he did - at least until a certain time)

edit4: I would like to see this complete collection for example: http://antilop.cc/sr/exhibits/GX-215.pdf

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Sooooooo,

According to the timeline: 05/02/2012 - Account Silk Road changed to Dread Pirate Roberts. Source: http://antilop.cc/sr/#timeline




Can someone explain to me how comes Ross posted a thread as Silk Road and then exactly 45 minutes later as Dread Pirate Roberts on December 01 2011


Edit: Image Source: http://antilop.cc/sr/img/2011_12_01_shabang_guard_node.png
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Could be an error in the timeline, or do you have an idea?

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Could be an error in the timeline, or do you have an idea?

NO. Definetely NOT.

And I 'll tell you why: http://antilop.cc/sr/exhibits/GX-226D.pdf

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(2012-01-15 21:11) vj: You need to change your name from Admin, to Dread Pirate Roberts

(2012-01-15 21:11) vj: <-- isn't kidding - start the legend now

Once again, take a good look at the dates and usernames in the image below:




EDIT: Are these actual evidence from the trial?
And if it is, how comes Ross's attorney did not notice this?


EDIT 2: Wasn't Ross using "Silk Road" (instead of Admin mentioned above) as a username before DPR?
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Nice finding. Could lead to the manipulation of the chatlogs then. Only Ross knows if these chats have been taking place or not.
Does anybody know, if the defense can order a forensic image from Ross' computer (incl memory from the arrest time) or even can get an independent institute to open an investigation on the hardisks?

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Nice finding. Could lead to the manipulation of the chatlogs then. Only Ross knows if these chats have been taking place or not.
Does anybody know, if the defense can order a forensic image from Ross' computer (incl memory from the arrest time) or even can get an independent institute to open an investigation on the hardisks?

Thanks  Wink

If ANYTHING has been tampered with then ALL evidence coming from Ross's laptop should be disgarded as they are not genuine data anymore.
Nobody knows if they are real or not (tampered with to frame Ross) therefor should be disgarded.

If what I found is real evidence/exhibits shown in the trial then it has been tampered with...

That means - IF ROSS'S ATTORNEY IS WATCHING THIS [1] - he should demand a re-trial in light of new evidence that Ross is innocent and was framed by the FBI, and also demand disgarding all and any data coming from his laptop as evidence as they have been tampered with by the Feds in order to assure his sentence (if that is the right way to put it). - I would call it framing to be honest.

[1] and if Ross's attorney is watching this I demand 90% of your payment coz you failed*  Wink
And I didn't even start reading all the info yet.

*that is of course if my findings are actual trial evidence/exhibits.



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Nice finding. Could lead to the manipulation of the chatlogs then. Only Ross knows if these chats have been taking place or not.
Does anybody know, if the defense can order a forensic image from Ross' computer (incl memory from the arrest time) or even can get an independent institute to open an investigation on the hardisks?

Thanks  Wink

If ANYTHING has been tampered with then ALL evidence coming from Ross's laptop should be disgarded as they are not genuine data anymore.
Nobody knows if they are real or not (tampered with to frame Ross) therefor should be disgarded.

If what I found is real evidence/exhibits shown in the trial then it has been tampered with...

That means - IF ROSS'S ATTORNEY IS WATCHING THIS [1] - he should demand a re-trial in light of new evidence that Ross is innocent and was framed by the FBI, and also demand disgarding all and any data coming from his laptop as evidence as they have been tampered with by the Feds in order to assure his sentence (if that is the right way to put it). - I would call it framing to be honest.

[1] and if Ross's attorney is watching this I demand 90% of your payment coz you failed*  Wink
And I didn't even start reading all the info yet.

*that is of course if my findings are actual trial evidence/exhibits.





I am pretty sure that Dratel will read this topic. Not so sure if he will share his fee with you, though Cheesy



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April 26, 2015, 09:09:34 PM
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Nice finding. Could lead to the manipulation of the chatlogs then. Only Ross knows if these chats have been taking place or not.
Does anybody know, if the defense can order a forensic image from Ross' computer (incl memory from the arrest time) or even can get an independent institute to open an investigation on the hardisks?

Thanks  Wink

If ANYTHING has been tampered with then ALL evidence coming from Ross's laptop should be disgarded as they are not genuine data anymore.
Nobody knows if they are real or not (tampered with to frame Ross) therefor should be disgarded.

If what I found is real evidence/exhibits shown in the trial then it has been tampered with...

That means - IF ROSS'S ATTORNEY IS WATCHING THIS [1] - he should demand a re-trial in light of new evidence that Ross is innocent and was framed by the FBI, and also demand disgarding all and any data coming from his laptop as evidence as they have been tampered with by the Feds in order to assure his sentence (if that is the right way to put it). - I would call it framing to be honest.

[1] and if Ross's attorney is watching this I demand 90% of your payment coz you failed*  Wink
And I didn't even start reading all the info yet.

*that is of course if my findings are actual trial evidence/exhibits.





I am pretty sure that Dratel will read this topic. Not so sure if he will share his fee with you, though Cheesy


LOL!

I didn't say share, I said I want 90% of it coz I am about to get Ross out of jail  Wink
(I am only giving him a 10% coz he appeared at the court - nothing else)  Wink

He got him in jail and got him to admit that he created Silk Road -
Rule Number One: Never admit to anything - that means that Dratel is a horrible attorney at law (or in a deal with the "prosecutor' (FBI in this case))

That being said, before I retired, law was, well.... my profession.
So when I say Ross can come out clean [1], then Ross can come out clean and be back home in no time.
It is as simple as that.

[1] If the evidence I have presented are actual trial evidence/exhibitions against Ross.

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