Who is "Variety Jones"?

[AGD]

Now with Ross facing to spend the rest of his life in prison, VJ should get that helicopter started as he promised.
If he wasn't working with the feds, he is facing about the same sentence as Ross got, so I doubt, that he has the balls to risk his life with his super duper escape plan. He is, just like Ross, only strong behind his computer, but when it comes to "real life" he fails.

[BayAreaCoins]

He is, just like Ross, only strong behind his computer, but when it comes to "real life" he fails.

Your crystal ball tell you this?    

I think they have enough time to get people employed where Ross is going to end up if they wanted/have the resources.

And

How did Ross fail in real life?  The only person I saw him rat on was Mark K and Mark fucked everyone six ways from Sunday anyways.

[AGD]

He is, just like Ross, only strong behind his computer, but when it comes to "real life" he fails.

Your crystal ball tell you this?    

I think they have enough time to get people employed where Ross is going to end up if they wanted/have the resources.

And

How did Ross fail in real life?  The only person I saw him rat on was Mark K and Mark fucked everyone six ways from Sunday anyways.

You really think, that VJ will risk his ass, just because he once promised it to an anonymous guy on the darknet? I bet, he won't.
Especially knowing, that Ross has saved every evidence, to bring VJ behind bars forever? LOL! Never!

I agree, that Ross once was a nice and intelligent guy, but anonymity, power and money has turned him into this merciless drug lord, he was sentenced for. Would he be doing the same without a computer? I think not.
 

[BayAreaCoins]

You really think, that VJ will risk his ass, just because he once promised it to an anonymous guy on the darknet?...

It'd make for a better movie than if he didn't lol!

[Sutters Mill]

Now with Ross facing to spend the rest of his life in prison, VJ should get that helicopter started as he promised.
If he wasn't working with the feds, he is facing about the same sentence as Ross got, so I doubt, that he has the balls to risk his life with his super duper escape plan. He is, just like Ross, only strong behind his computer, but when it comes to "real life" he fails.

I doubt he'd get the same sentence as Ross - he didn't create the site and was only really a helper/adviser, but nobody will hear from Vanity Jones ever again. I think he was probably much smarter than Ross and new how to protect himself better whilst not having as much heat on him. I'm not sure what he could be charged with either.

[Kyraishi]

Now with Ross facing to spend the rest of his life in prison, VJ should get that helicopter started as he promised.
If he wasn't working with the feds, he is facing about the same sentence as Ross got, so I doubt, that he has the balls to risk his life with his super duper escape plan. He is, just like Ross, only strong behind his computer, but when it comes to "real life" he fails.

I doubt he'd get the same sentence as Ross - he didn't create the site and was only really a helper/adviser, but nobody will hear from Vanity Jones ever again. I think he was probably much smarter than Ross and new how to protect himself better whilst not having as much heat on him. I'm not sure what he could be charged with either.

I highly doubt that you are talking about this VJ: Vanity Jones

The person in discussion here is Variety Jones, not that smoking hot babe Vanity Jones.
But thanks, I didn't know her and that she is so hot 

[Blackbird0]

http://allthingsvice.com/2015/05/27/silk-road-from-the-inside-moderator-ssbd-tells-his-story/

That's a very interesting read. I'm not even sure how they can justify arresting someone for merely being a moderator of a message board, especially one that was as far as I'm aware separate from the actual site. He didn't commit any crimes or was involved in the drug dealing aspect of it. What was he actually arrested for? The article doesn't seem to say.

Yeah, I find it bizarre in general, how some computer related crimes are treated by the US judiciary system. DDos attack=10 years???

Why?

A lot of people seem to have this bizarre idea that computers aren't "real" or that programs aren't "real." Why shouldn't we write laws that deal with the use and misuse of computer systems?

[hilariousandco]

I doubt he'd get the same sentence as Ross - he didn't create the site and was only really a helper/adviser, but nobody will hear from Vanity Jones ever again. I think he was probably much smarter than Ross and new how to protect himself better whilst not having as much heat on him. I'm not sure what he could be charged with either.

I highly doubt that you are talking about this VJ: Vanity Jones

The person in discussion here is Variety Jones, not that smoking hot babe Vanity Jones.
But thanks, I didn't know her and that she is so hot 

Which picture? Those are mostly images of actresses Felicity Jones and Rashida Jones at a Vanity Fair party.

[Krang]

http://allthingsvice.com/2015/05/27/silk-road-from-the-inside-moderator-ssbd-tells-his-story/

That's a very interesting read. I'm not even sure how they can justify arresting someone for merely being a moderator of a message board, especially one that was as far as I'm aware separate from the actual site. He didn't commit any crimes or was involved in the drug dealing aspect of it. What was he actually arrested for? The article doesn't seem to say.

Yeah, I find it bizarre in general, how some computer related crimes are treated by the US judiciary system. DDos attack=10 years???

Why?

A lot of people seem to have this bizarre idea that computers aren't "real" or that programs aren't "real." Why shouldn't we write laws that deal with the use and misuse of computer systems?

10 years is harsh for a ddos attack but some punishments fit the crime. There's not much difference between robbing a bank in the real world or doing it from behind a computer in my opinion. Both are thefts and involve stealing money. Life in prison for running a 'website' may seem very harsh but its the nature of it. He facilitated the sale of hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars worth of drugs and illegal items thus making him a drug kingpin. He also laundered and evaded taxes. There's then the murder charges as well don't forget though they wernt relevant to this trial though the judge may have taken them into consideration.

[AGD]

http://allthingsvice.com/2015/05/27/silk-road-from-the-inside-moderator-ssbd-tells-his-story/

That's a very interesting read. I'm not even sure how they can justify arresting someone for merely being a moderator of a message board, especially one that was as far as I'm aware separate from the actual site. He didn't commit any crimes or was involved in the drug dealing aspect of it. What was he actually arrested for? The article doesn't seem to say.

Yeah, I find it bizarre in general, how some computer related crimes are treated by the US judiciary system. DDos attack=10 years???

Why?

A lot of people seem to have this bizarre idea that computers aren't "real" or that programs aren't "real." Why shouldn't we write laws that deal with the use and misuse of computer systems?

10 years is harsh for a ddos attack but some punishments fit the crime. There's not much difference between robbing a bank in the real world or doing it from behind a computer in my opinion. Both are thefts and involve stealing money. Life in prison for running a 'website' may seem very harsh but its the nature of it. He facilitated the sale of hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars worth of drugs and illegal items thus making him a drug kingpin. He also laundered and evaded taxes. There's then the murder charges as well don't forget though they wernt relevant to this trial though the judge may have taken them into consideration.

I think the punishment should always fit to the damage, that is beeing done. When someone takes down a website, I don't think he should go to jail for that. If someone pays for a killer, he should at least be punished with "attempted murder".

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Here's a link to the journal in case anyone wants to read it.

http://darknetmarkets.org/dread-pirate-roberts-journal/

Quote: "Chatted with VJ again today. Him coming onto the scene has reinspired me and given me direction on the SR project. He has helped me see a larger vision. A brand that people can come to trust and rally behind."


PS. Who is Amelia from OkCoin?

Quote: "09/11 – 09/18/2013
could not confirm ST bust.
Got covered in poison oak trying to get a piece of trash out of a tree in a park nearby and have been moping.
went on a first date with amelia from okc."

[hilariousandco]

PS. Who is Amelia from OkCoin?

Quote: "09/11 – 09/18/2013
could not confirm ST bust.
Got covered in poison oak trying to get a piece of trash out of a tree in a park nearby and have been moping.
went on a first date with amelia from okc."

Probably means okcupid, or maybe even Oklahoma City?

[BayAreaCoins]

PS. Who is Amelia from OkCoin?

I would venture to guess some asian girl

Lol jk I agree with hilariousandco.

[AGD]

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/on-okcupid-ross-ulbricht-was-a-scientist-turned-entrepreneur/

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/on-okcupid-ross-ulbricht-was-a-scientist-turned-entrepreneur/

Hehe. Um. Well I'm no Columbo am I.

[AGD]

For the ladies: http://www.okcupid.com/profile/ross-0

[BayAreaCoins]

For the ladies: http://www.okcupid.com/profile/ross-0

"maintaining an infectious happiness despite my circumstances"

He's going to be fine.  There isn't anything else the state can do to him.  I think it maybe a blessing in disguise that he is locked up.

Someone should send him a weekly print out of the Bitcointalk post regarding him, so he can pen back his reply.  This conversation is lopsided as hell.  The one Ladyboy traitor has a fucking twitter... Ross penning back shouldn't be an issue unless he wants to keep his mouth shut until the appeal.  I think at this point any publicity is good publicity that doesn't label him as the monster the media attempted to make out.

I could probably send all the prints once a week for shits n giggles... thoughts?

[AGD]

"maintaining an infectious happiness despite my circumstances"

So he must look something like this now:


and it is indeed infectous:

[AGD]

Back to topic: http://cryptome.org/2015/05/ulbricht-266.pdf

Excerpts from Torchat Log tv32wkhirljvcb4f.log [Variety Jones]
Cited as 785 – 790 in Dratel May 28, 2015 Letter
(2012‐05‐16 14:14) vj: [delayed] I know where I want to put my 2.5, and yours if
you agree, if we make this deal.
[delayed] And considering my background, this is funny as hell
[delayed] Seeds.
(2012‐05‐16 14:14) vj: Over 1/4 million 3rd world farmers went broke last year,
and over 2,000 killed themselves, because they'd bought into Dow's and Monsanto's
promise of better crops, but the crops are sterile and they need to buy more seed
stock the next year, and they only grow if fertilized by patent encumbered agents
and fertilizers.
(2012‐05‐16 14:15) vj: and as a result, over 2 million people died of starvation last
year
(2012‐05‐16 14:15) vj: at a minimum
(2012‐05‐16 14:15) myself: I've heard of this
(2012‐05‐16 14:15) myself: breifly
(2012‐05‐16 14:15) vj: I want to break their backs
(2012‐05‐16 14:16) myself: seeds are magical things
(2012‐05‐16 14:16) myself: so tiny, but so much comes from them
(2012‐05‐16 14:16) myself: well water and seeds
(2012‐05‐16 14:16) vj: Read up on it. GMO *could* be the worlds salvation...
(2012‐05‐16 14:17) vj: Borlaug won a noble peace prize for seeds
(2012‐05‐16 14:17) vj: Dwarf wheat
(2012‐05‐16 14:17) vj: Africa couldn't feed itself, Russia was close, as too dense of
wheat fell over from the weight of the tops
(2012‐05‐16 14:18) vj: and borlaug came up with Dwarf Wheat, literally saved a
billion lives
(2012‐05‐16 14:18) myself: what a badass
(2012‐05‐16 14:18) vj: it was a special strain that was short, so the stalk could hold
the weight, and improve yields
(2012‐05‐16 14:19) vj: and then Dow and Monsanto came out with GMO versions,
designed to be sterile, and priced high, so new seed stock had to be bought every
year, and their chmeicals are needed to grow it
(2012‐05‐16 14:19) vj: and patented them
(2012‐05‐16 14:19) vj: and are reversing his work, starving folks for profit
(2012‐05‐16 14:19) vj: them, oh them, I could run over with a train, or put out of
business
(2012‐05‐16 14:20) vj: fuck drugs, I want to smuggle non ‐sterile seeds to the breadbaskets
of the world, and give it away.
(2012‐05‐16 14:20) vj: and trust me, the DEA are pansies compared to the armies
these guys have hired to hold their exclusive rights.
(2012‐05‐16 14:21) vj: I was almost asleep, thinking of who had done the most in
history for mankind, and there are two folks.
(2012‐05‐16 14:21) vj: Borlaug, he kept the world from starving
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(2012‐05‐16 14:21) vj: and several thousand years ago, the guy that invented the
solid yoke
(2012‐05‐16 14:22) vj: you see, with a leather strap, a slave, a horse or an oxen
could all pull about the same weight of a plow
(2012‐05‐16 14:26) vj: but the solid yoke, well
(2012‐05‐16 14:27) vj: then an oxen could pull from it's shoulders, as could a horse
(2012‐05‐16 14:27) vj: one horsepower was originally deigned as: the work that
could be done by 22 1/2 men
(2012‐05‐16 14:27) vj: so one horse replaced 22.5 men
(2012‐05‐16 14:27) vj: oxen, 55 men
(2012‐05‐16 14:27) vj: the solid yoke ended slaverly
(2012‐05‐16 14:28) vj: GMO seeds has re‐started it, economic slaverly, and over a
billion farmers in the third world are Monsanto's slaves
(2012‐05‐16 14:28) vj: Tired, I am.
(2012‐05‐16 14:28) myself: hows that work? monsanto is in bed with the dictators
in africa so they don't let other seed in?
(2012‐05‐16 14:29) vj: they give them seeds to plant, and discount the fertilizers
(2012‐05‐16 14:29) vj: Normally, farmers hold back seeds for next year
(2012‐05‐16 14:29) vj: these are sterile, they can't
(2012‐05‐16 14:30) vj: next year, it's $45 an acre for seeds, for a farmer that makes
$500 a year on 200 acres
(2012‐05‐16 14:30) vj: plus the chemicals the plants don't need, but are genetically
engineered to require to mature
(2012‐05‐16 14:30) vj: and now it's full price
(2012‐05‐16 14:30) myself: why can't the better seeds get in?
(2012‐05‐16 14:31) vj: cause Dow and Monsanto control the mechanisms of
delivery
(2012‐05‐16 14:31) vj: GMO can be good, better yields, more pest resisitance
(2012‐05‐16 14:31) vj: but they took it too far, and built in sterile seeds, so they'd
have to re‐buy every year
(2012‐05‐16 14:31) vj: and a false requirement for rare chemicals they produce, in
order to mature properly
(2012‐05‐16 14:32) myself: so what's the plan, make our own strains that aren't
sterile and don't need bs chems?
(2012‐05‐16 14:32) myself: or do they exists but can't get in
(2012‐05‐16 14:32) vj: I know a lot about this ‐ my first 'angel' investor in a
software company called ARS inc at the time, owned CIC Canola, a seed cleaning and
coating biz that sold several patents, and eventually the whole company, to
Monsanto
(2012‐05‐16 14:33) vj: Simple, buy non GMO regulated seeds anywhere, Alberta,
Russia, don't matter ‐ and smuggle them where they're needed.
(2012‐05‐16 14:34) vj: It's illegal in dozens of countries to import non approved
seeds, and guess who sells the sterile 'approved' seeds...
(2012‐05‐16 14:34) myself: ok, i get it now
(2012‐05‐16 14:35) vj: Monsanto seed stock cost 150X what plain seed stock costs
(2012‐05‐16 14:35) vj: and use it once, yer locked in.
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(2012‐05‐16 14:35) vj: plus the chems the plants are designed to require not for
growth, but for survival solely to protect Monsanto's IP in the product
(2012‐05‐16 14:36) myself: if these locals start using good seed, won't their govts
figure it out and shut em down?
(2012‐05‐16 14:36) vj: they can't get good seed
(2012‐05‐16 14:36) myself: if we get it to them
(2012‐05‐16 14:36) vj: they can't afford to buy it#
(2012‐05‐16 14:36) vj: see ‐ lemme back up
(2012‐05‐16 14:36) myself: once you have one good crop, you can make your own
seed, no?
(2012‐05‐16 14:36) vj: for centuries, farmers grow wheat, sell most, save some to
plant next year
(2012‐05‐16 14:37) myself: ok
(2012‐05‐16 14:37) vj: then these guys came in ‐ our shit yields way more ‐ here,
take some
(2012‐05‐16 14:37) vj: and take this fertilizer, it makes it grow better
(2012‐05‐16 14:37) vj: and they have their best crops ever!
(2012‐05‐16 14:37) vj: But, the offspring are sterile, you can't save it for next year
(2012‐05‐16 14:37) vj: and next year, the seeds aren't free
(2012‐05‐16 14:37) vj: nor are the fertilizers required
(2012‐05‐16 14:37) vj: and they have no money, at all
(2012‐05‐16 14:38) vj: and so they go bankrupt, and kill themselves in shame, and
Monsanot racks up billions
(2012‐05‐16 14:38) vj: and millions starve, even today ‐ fuck, especially today.
(2012‐05‐16 14:38) vj: There is no excuse, and who else can take 'em on. sure, I can
drill wells, but any asshole can drill a well.
(2012‐05‐16 14:39) vj: But not anyone can take on Monsanto and Dow, and the US
hegemony that fosters it.
(2012‐05‐16 14:39) myself: so the issue is not so much that the govts outlaw fertile
seed, it's that these farms have no money to buy it since monsanto tricked them into
buying a bunch of sterile seed
(2012‐05‐16 14:40) vj: no, they also get the governments to outlaw importing
unapproved 'foreign' seeds
(2012‐05‐16 14:40) vj: so even if you wanted to sell it at 10% of Dow and Monsanto
on the open market, it's not allowed
(2012‐05‐16 14:40) myself: and what about using unapproved seed once it's in
(2012‐05‐16 14:41) myself: I just wonder if suggling it in and giving it away will be
enough, or if there needs to be structural changes in the politics
(2012‐05‐16 14:41) vj: Google 'farmer sued by monsanto seeds'
(2012‐05‐16 14:41) vj: I'll wait
(2012‐05‐16 14:41) myself: locals might not even accept the seed for fear of reprisal
(2012‐05‐16 14:43) vj: Dude, they are actually killing themselves because they can't
feed their families. Reprisal ain't on their list of worries
(2012‐05‐16 14:43) myself: ok
(2012‐05‐16 14:43) myself: schmeiser
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(2012‐05‐16 14:43) vj: OK. not all of my funds, but i'm gonna put it on my to do list
for the next 2 years. At least I'll make a dent, and save some lives.
(2012‐05‐16 14:44) vj: Also, this idea is (scrolls back) all of 31 minutes old, came to
me in a flash, hell, I hadn't thought about Dwarf Wheat in decades, so it may need
some polish
(2012‐05‐16 14:45) vj: But it's the type of thing I need to do ‐ it's the type of thing
we need to do if we're gonna work together
(2012‐05‐16 14:45) vj: Cause if it's just about the money, well, money I have.
(2012‐05‐16 14:46) myself: you know why I am in this
(2012‐05‐16 14:46) vj: And this type of shit, is like inventing the solid yoke ‐ it can
remove literally billions of people from economic slavery
(2012‐05‐16 14:46) myself: it's the structural changes that have the biggest impact.
there is no uninventing dwarf wheat
(2012‐05‐16 14:46) myself: exactly
(2012‐05‐16 14:47) myself: we need to be really careful with how we invest
(2012‐05‐16 14:47) myself: too easy to throw money at problems and do more
damage than good
(2012‐05‐16 14:47) vj: I was talking about kiva before, I withdraw that
(2012‐05‐16 14:48) vj: we won't give money to folks to drill wells, if we think a
place needs a well, we'll buy the rig truck, hire a crew, and send it where it's needed.
We don't need zillions of layers of bureauacracy, we need action at the point of most
impact.
(2012‐05‐16 14:49) vj: And less investigation too ‐ we need to invest in
infrastructure and agraian ;methods of production
(2012‐05‐16 14:49) vj: not charities and feel‐good programs
(2012‐05‐16 14:49) vj: and you're right, charity can make things worse
(2012‐05‐16 14:50) vj: but non ‐ sterile high yield seeds... can't put that cat back in
the bag, or seize or encumbrance it
(2012‐05‐16 14:50) myself: trouble is, the places that need us the most are in need
for a reason. investors won't touch them because the governments there will just
confiscate any wealth that's created
(2012‐05‐16 14:51) vj: Not from me, they won't.
(2012‐05‐16 14:51) vj: I have teeth.
(2012‐05‐16 14:51) myself: maybe a place like somalia, where we wouldn't be up
against a well organized state. could be good pirates there
(2012‐05‐16 14:51) vj: See, we're not gonna invest expecting a return, and hence
have a track to follow back
(2012‐05‐16 14:52) vj: we'll just drop the shit off
(2012‐05‐16 14:52) myself: i have a podcast you need to listen to
(2012‐05‐16 14:52) myself: might've already recommneded it
(2012‐05‐16 14:52) myself: the one with bruce bueno de mesquita?
(2012‐05‐16 14:52) vj: and we can buy a million tons of seed grain
(2012‐05‐16 14:53) vj: nope, not familiar
(2012‐05‐16 14:53) vj: could you PM me on SR with the details, my travel computer
only has torchat on tor, I save nada to it. I'll check it out in the AM
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(2012‐05‐16 14:54) myself: he has this political model based on game theory. great
analysis of foreign aid and how it hurts the common man in these countries by
propping up the dictators that supress them
(2012‐05‐16 14:54) myself: we could be the real foreign aid
(2012‐05‐16 14:54) vj: Here's the good part ‐ stop a ship with 120 thousand metric
tons of wheat on it, ain't illegal anywhere
(2012‐05‐16 14:54) myself: that gives the common man the energy they need to
throw off their oppressors
(2012‐05‐16 14:54) vj: We need to buy a ship.
(2012‐05‐16 14:55) vj: No one will see us coming at all
(2012‐05‐16 14:55) myself: nope
(2012‐05‐16 14:55) myself: fuck im excited
(2012‐05‐16 14:55) vj: See, this here ‐ this is change
(2012‐05‐16 14:55) vj: and why I like staying awake for 60 hours on ocassion. Hard
on the system, but damn, my brain works hard then.
(2012‐05‐16 14:56) myself: if we can figure out how to get these govts off people's
backs. empowering the population is a huge part of that
(2012‐05‐16 14:56) vj: And in the back of my mind, it's why I went 180 on nob. Let's
take his money.
(2012‐05‐16 14:56) myself: that starts with enough to eat
(2012‐05‐16 14:56) vj: Food, water, shelter. That's our holy trinity.
(2012‐05‐16 14:56) myself: security
(2012‐05‐16 14:57) vj: No one should do without 'em
(2012‐05‐16 14:57) myself: that's the beginning of property, and then wealth
(2012‐05‐16 14:57) vj: So, take a step back, and tell me what you think
(2012‐05‐16 14:58) myself: about?
(2012‐05‐16 14:58) vj: Everything I've said in the last 40 minutes
(2012‐05‐16 15:00) vj: Borlaug's new semi‐dwarf, disease‐resistant varieties, called
Pitic 62 and Penjamo 62, changed the potential yield of spring wheat dramatically.
By 1963, 95% of Mexico's wheat crops used the semi‐dwarf varieties developed by
Borlaug. That year, the harvest was six times larger than in 1944
(2012‐05‐16 15:00) vj: SIX fucking times!
(2012‐05‐16 15:00) vj: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug#Dwarfing
(2012‐05‐16 15:00) myself: yea, africa is growth waiting to happen
(2012‐05‐16 15:01) vj: The world doesn't have starving people today because it's
not capable of growing enough food, it's starving because they're patent
encumbering it for profit.
(2012‐05‐16 15:01) myself: I think we need to find the perfect experiment
(2012‐05‐16 15:01) vj: Dude, my petri dish is called 'Earth'
(2012‐05‐16 15:01) myself: a cheap experiment that gives us information on how to
take it to the next level
(2012‐05‐16 15:01) vj: yeah, we need smarter folks than us in this field.
(2012‐05‐16 15:02) vj: As a rule of thumb, I never hire anyone that isn't at least
50% smarter than me. Dumb folks like me, I can get lots of for free.
(2012‐05‐16 15:02) myself: like a particular farm or farming area in a particular
country where we think we'll have the most impact. spend the money we need to do
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it right on that small scale and see if it works. how does the govt react, how does
monsanto react. does anyone even notice
(2012‐05‐16 15:03) vj: Ghana
(2012‐05‐16 15:03) myself: plant the seed, no pun
(2012‐05‐16 15:03) vj: 'Cause that's where I'm buying a gold mine I'm gonna use to
launder money, so i'll be there once in a while anyways
(2012‐05‐16 15:04) myself: yea, a place that needs the seed, but has reasonably
solid property rights for the farmers
(2012‐05‐16 15:04) vj: Or iffy property rights, and where we can effect change
(2012‐05‐16 15:04) vj: synergy
(2012‐05‐16 15:04) vj: do two things at once
(2012‐05‐16 15:05) myself: we need to do alot of research, like will these farmers
need to educated on what they are being given, or are they so desperate for seeds
they'll plant anything.
(2012‐05‐16 15:05) myself: and we need to be sure of the quality of our seed source
(2012‐05‐16 15:05) vj: Solid property rights means a tired farmer can retire. Iffy
property rights means if he can't make his lease payment, his family starves to death
(2012‐05‐16 15:06) vj: Dude, CIC Canola, CCF Wheat co‐operative... I know these
guys
(2012‐05‐16 15:06) myself: let's come back to this. there are alot of steps between
here and there. I wanna get this new skin knocked out
(2012‐05‐16 15:07) vj: sure, I just hadda share while it was hot, and get yer mind
thinking
(2012‐05‐16 15:07) vj: But I like it for one of our prongs ‐ and we're gonna have lots
of prongs
(2012‐05‐16 15:07) myself: let's feed africa
(2012‐05‐16 15:07) vj: Let's feed everywhere but Washington
(2012‐05‐16 15:07) myself: ok
(2012‐05‐16 15:08) vj: Well, that's decided. We'll feed the world. What do you want
to do for an encore tomorrow?
(2012‐05‐16 15:08) vj: Also, we need nice office chairs. Put that at #2 on the list.
(2012‐05‐16 15:08) myself: the same thing we do every night pinky
(2012‐05‐16 15:08) vj: heh
(2012‐05‐16 15:08) vj: damn right!
(2012‐05‐16 15:09) vj: K‐ this has been damn near an hour, get the fuck back to
work on that layout, you layabout.
(2012‐05‐16 15:09) vj: Else yer fired.
(2012‐05‐16 15:09) myself: yes sir!
(2012‐05‐16 15:09) vj: GAtor
(2012‐05‐16 15:10) vj: ...Dwarf fucking wheat, who'da thunk it would grab our
attention...
Kiva Material
2012‐03‐14 14:42) myself: had another idea, completely unrelated.
(2012‐03‐14 14:42) vj: shoot
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(2012‐03‐14 14:43) myself: have a donate link. shows a page of users who've
donated and how much. The fund is used to help out people who get scammed on
the site, or if there is a surplus, it can go to torservers or a freedom/drug legalization
cause.
(2012‐03‐14 14:44) myself: anon donations are ok of course
(2012‐03‐14 14:44) vj: good idea, but I don't think acknowledging scammers is a
good idea.
(2012‐03‐14 14:44) vj: hmm...
(2012‐03‐14 14:44) vj: gimme a sec to google something...
(2012‐03‐14 14:44) myself: ok
(2012‐03‐14 14:45) vj: how about http://www.kiva.org/
make micro‐loans with the funds, when they're paid back, re‐invest them in more
loans. Track on the site how many people we've helped. Warm fuzzies all over.
(2012‐03‐14 14:46) vj: match funds too! Donate $20, throw in another $10
(2012‐03‐14 14:46) vj: and guaranteed to get press!
(2012‐03‐14 14:47) myself: who would the recipients be do you think?
(2012‐03‐14 14:47) vj: hire a lawyer to hire a lawyer to hire a lawyer to admin it
from a safe jurisdiction,
(2012‐03‐14 14:47) vj: with kiva, you PICK who you want to give the money to. (not
quite, they had some hassles over that, but that's the idea.)
(2012‐03‐14 14:47) vj: You read a story, say I want to help them, and give them $25.
(2012‐03‐14 14:47) myself: oh, I thought you meant it would be like kiva, not
through them
(2012‐03‐14 14:48) vj: X lots of people to help.
(2012‐03‐14 14:48) vj: it would be a great cause to get behind.
(2012‐03‐14 14:48) myself: I'll check it out
(2012‐03‐14 14:48) vj: and folks could get 'kiva badges' for every $25 they donate!
Collect all 1200!
. . .
(2012‐03‐14 14:54) vj: Kiva. I really like that idea.
(2012‐03‐14 14:59) vj: http://www.kiva.org/lend/402229
Fuck, can't be a tough guy and read some of these...
(2012‐03‐14 15:00) vj: her previous loan for $125, 1/2 paid off now
http://www.kiva.org/lend/354220
. . .
We could give away an ultimate home theatre package, a shitload of electronics from
computers to ipads and roombas stereos and satellites and hd tv's, etc. All easier to
order and pay for discretely, discreetly. <‐‐ loves that, will use again.
[delayed] There is a brewing mutiny by a few vendors that our sale will head off. Ask
DA or me for details, whoever you chat with first. Don't panic, it's a few weeks away,
and their currently stymied as Pharmville is on vacation and they want him on
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board. Huge trip prize for winner, 5/6 numbers wins big prizes, 4/6 wins great
ones, and we'll give 1000 3/6 folks something unique, a conversation piece, or
something. Announce that SR was never about making money, and we've had some
huge infrastructure costs, but we are blessed to be currently running a surplus. So
we're having this contest, as well as announcing that we're going to be supporting
kiva, matching donations in $5 increments, giving badges in 1/5th increments for
donations they make, and we'll match them. We're kicking it off with $7, 385 from
our current surplus, and will strive to continue matching donations as long as we
can.
. . .
(2012‐03‐23 22:11) myself: I'm thinking I'll find someone with an austrian econ
background to dig up stories loosely related to our kiva people and use some
praxeological logic to connect them.
. . .
(2012‐03‐23 22:13) vj: I'm also hunting about for someone to manage kiva stuff,
including picking loan recipients, doing summaries and follow‐ups, etc.
. . .
(2012‐03‐23 22:29) vj: Tying the kiva stuff to the blog also is a constant source of
feel‐good posting, and I'm working on a format for that now. I think I'll get someone
to write us a scraper/API for kiva, so we can massage the data they offer into an
easy format for us, especially when it comes to followups, which we'd otherwise
have to search out manually.
. . .
2012‐03‐24 08:37) vj: [delayed] Heh, check out this kiva page
http://www.kiva.org/lend/395901
[delayed] "About IMON International
Tajikistan, a country with a captivating Silk Road history and a rich cultural
heritage..."
. . .
(2012‐04‐07 09:09) vj: and while we were talking about doing philanthropical
works, supporting kiva, or something similar, etc.,
. . .
2012‐04‐07 09:11) vj: yeah, I don't want to support something with donations. I
want to buy the trucks that tow the rigs that drill the wells.
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(2012‐04‐07 09:11) vj: not send $25 to someone to help them get a well.
(2012‐04‐07 09:12) vj: I don't want to support organizations, I want to create them.
(2012‐04‐07 09:12) myself: well, kiva works with "boots on the ground" orgs
(2012‐04‐07 09:12) myself: you could get involved more closely with one of them
and then look for opportunities from there
(2012‐04‐07 09:13) vj: yeah, no lack of opportunities, no doubt. Just hard to find an
area to focus on.
(2012‐04‐07 09:14) myself: what about r&d
(2012‐04‐07 09:14) vj: The realization that I never again in my life have to do
anything for money has made me question how I'm going to responsibly deal with
the money I do get.
(2012‐04‐07 09:14) myself: space exploration and such
(2012‐04‐07 09:15) vj: ahh ‐ r&d ‐ please let me wait until tomorrow to tell you the
current fucked up state of the frigid boot s/w. Much joy and pain there.
Space, fuck. Sold, let's go!
. . .
(2012‐05‐01 13:17) myself: we def should get into that kiva stuff
(2012‐05‐01 13:17) vj: It does. It's been waaaaaaay more fucking work setting it up
than I expected, I tell ya though. I'd think doing another trip long and hard.
(2012‐05‐01 13:18) myself: yea, kudos for taking it on though.
(2012‐05‐01 13:19) vj: I learned a bit about moving money around the world this
weekend, bitcoins didn't come up, just as well, but I did find out how to get in touch
with people that move $ from country to country for a small (3%) fee.
(2012‐05‐01 13:19) vj: There's a whole 'nother world of banking out there
(2012‐05‐01 13:20) vj: I wonder if we could convince Kiva to take BTC
(2012‐05‐01 13:20) vj: would make it a whole bunch easier.
(2012‐05‐01 13:20) myself: putting it on the to do list!
(2012‐05‐01 13:20) vj: Perhaps donate the funds to make the changes that will
allow them to take BTC.
. . .
eprisal
(2012‐05‐16 14:43) vj: Dude, they are actually killing themselves because they can't
feed their families. Reprisal ain't on their list of worries
(2012‐05‐16 14:43) myself: ok
(2012‐05‐16 14:43) myself: schmeiser
(2012‐05‐16 14:43) vj: OK. not all of my funds, but i'm gonna put it on my to do list
for the next 2 years. At least I'll make a dent, and save some lives.
(2012‐05‐16 14:44) vj: Also, this idea is (scrolls back) all of 31 minutes old, came to
me in a flash, hell, I hadn't thought about Dwarf Wheat in decades, so it may need
some polish
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(2012‐05‐16 14:45) vj: But it's the type of thing I need to do ‐ it's the type of thing
we need to do if we're gonna work together
(2012‐05‐16 14:45) vj: Cause if it's just about the money, well, money I have.
(2012‐05‐16 14:46) myself: you know why I am in this
(2012‐05‐16 14:46) vj: And this type of shit, is like inventing the solid yoke ‐ it can
remove literally billions of people from economic slavery
(2012‐05‐16 14:46) myself: it's the structural changes that have the biggest impact.
there is no uninventing dwarf wheat
(2012‐05‐16 14:46) myself: exactly
(2012‐05‐16 14:47) myself: we need to be really careful with how we invest
(2012‐05‐16 14:47) myself: too easy to throw money at problems and do more
damage than good
(2012‐05‐16 14:47) vj: I was talking about kiva before, I withdraw that
(2012‐05‐16 14:48) vj: we won't give money to folks to drill wells, if we think a
place needs a well, we'll buy the rig truck, hire a crew, and send it where it's needed.
We don't need zillions of layers of bureauacracy, we need action at the point of most
impact.
(2012‐05‐16 14:49) vj: And less investigation too ‐ we need to invest in
infrastructure and agraian ;methods of production
(2012‐05‐16 14:49) vj: not charities and feel‐good programs
(2012‐05‐16 14:49) vj: and you're right, charity can make things worse
(2012‐05‐16 14:50) vj: but non ‐ sterile high yield seeds... can't put that cat back in
the bag, or seize or encumbrance it
(2012‐05‐16 14:50) myself: trouble is, the places that need us the most are in need
for a reason. investors won't touch them because the governments there will just
confiscate any wealth that's created
(2012‐05‐16 14:51) vj: Not from me, they won't.
(2012‐05‐16 14:51) vj: I have teeth.
(2012‐05‐16 14:51) myself: maybe a place like somalia, where we wouldn't be up
against a well organized state. could be good pirates there
(2012‐05‐16 14:51) vj: See, we're not gonna invest expecting a return, and hence

[Finchy]

What the hell is that conversation about? The fact that he even kept logs of this stuff shows you how niave he was. Ross is deluded and to me it looks like VJ was just trying to set up him up to con him out of massive amounts of money no doubt. Ross probably would have sent it to him as well. It wouldn't surprise me if VJ wasn't actually just another undercover cop (corrupt or otherwise) either.