TheCoins.net - Provably fair Minesweeper, Dice, Spin to Win! Unlimited faucet

[diegocosta]

"Unlimited 500 satoshi free Bitcoin faucet!" - What does that mean? Faucet will give you 500 satoshis max and then shut down and recharge? It is 500 satoshis per 10 minutes, hour?

once your balance is empty you can claim, there are no time limits

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[CryForMeSky]

betting on certain numbers actually gives the player a positive edge. Assuming that Danila's method involves this, then I'd say it's not right to accuse him of hacking, but I'd also say the owner is justified in not paying out under these circumstances.

Disagree.  If the situation is one where the player notices a way to play the game...in a way that was put out by the site...that is +ev, the site has the obligation to pay that player if/when he wins.  Obviously if the player does something to manipulate the site/odds/game, hack into the backend, or cheat in any way, then he shouldn't be paid anything.  But if the site makes a mistake, and a player observes it and exploits it simply by playing the game as the site intends, that can't be on the player.  He's just playing the game!

I actually somewhat agree with you, but by 'under these circumstances' I was also including Danila's pretty terrible behaviour here. He's already won 8btc for practically no effort or risk, and yet boasts about his 'method' and demands to be paid further for continuing to exploit this mistake in the site, with absolutely no regard for the wellbeing of the site and the other players using it.

I understand what you are saying, but it's a pretty bad precedent to set saying that someone shouldn't get money they won fairly just because they are bragging, or just because they won a lot.

I have no clue what happened in this particular incident, mind you, I'm just saying in general.  Money won fairly shouldn't be confiscated due to a site error.

[flippy]

Bragging about a genuine win is fine, but here he's bragging about something that any of us could do and just have the decency not to. The mistake is still there and any of us could easily rack up a balance of hundreds of bitcoins, and we would be as equally deserving of a payout. Technically, the right thing to do in this situation is for the owner to give infinite money to everyone who signs up for his site - that's obviously not realistically possible. What's done now is done, but the most reasonable thing to do from here - after fixing the site - would be not to pay out any (further) profits won through this method, and to refund any losses caused by it.

[CryForMeSky]

The mistake is still there and any of us could easily rack up a balance of hundreds of bitcoins, and we would be as equally deserving of a payout.

Exactly.  So you can take a moral high ground and say "well I wouldn't do that", but you admit that it would be unfair for a site to withhold payment.

[stripes89]

The mistake is still there and any of us could easily rack up a balance of hundreds of bitcoins, and we would be as equally deserving of a payout.

Exactly.  So you can take a moral high ground and say "well I wouldn't do that", but you admit that it would be unfair for a site to withhold payment.

wait so they actually pay even though everyone can cheat their balance?

[flippy]

Of course it's going to be unfair in some way, and where fairness is reasonable, I would be in your shoes. However, to uphold that kind of fairness here, we'd be calling for someone to bankrupt himself for the sake of people abusing a silly mistake he's made in buying a broken gambling site that he doesn't know how to run. He's obviously in over his head here. As long as nobody besides him has suffered from his mistakes, I think it's more reasonable to sacrifice that kind of fairness for the sake of not letting someone be punished so massively for a stupid mistake that's caused little harm to anyone.

[CryForMeSky]

Of course it's going to be unfair in some way, and where fairness is reasonable, I would be in your shoes. However, to uphold that kind of fairness here, we'd be calling for someone to bankrupt himself for the sake of people abusing a silly mistake he's made in buying a broken gambling site that he doesn't know how to run. He's obviously in over his head here. As long as nobody besides him has suffered from his mistakes, I think it's more reasonable to sacrifice that kind of fairness for the sake of not letting someone be punished so massively for a stupid mistake that's caused little harm to anyone.

As someone who strives to play in a +ev, but fair, way, that thinking makes me uncomfortable.  If someone improperly codes a site and then puts it out for people to play on, why should his mistake fall onto the players?  If someone buys a site and fails to properly verify that it is up to his standards, why should his mistake fall onto the players?  This is gambling.  If people make "stupid mistakes"...that's on them.  If you make a stupid mistake and bet 100 when you meant to bet 1, do you get refunded?  What if it went the other way?  What if the "stupid mistake" caused the game to have a higher-than-advertised house edge?  Do you think your bets would get refunded?

Listen, I am right there with you when it comes to underhanded activities.  Hacking, cheating, ect are all terrible and people who attempt to get over on sites using those methods should have their funds confiscated.  But if a site puts out a game and says "here is the game please play" and people play in a fair way that is +ev...that's their money.  We're already giving so much to sites by playing with a verified house edge, if we also say "oh and if you make a mistake that is in the player's favor, you can take our money back", not only is that unfair to the players, but that encourages sites to rush buggy, unfinished products to market which hurts the gambling economy as a whole.

Anyway, I'd just like to point out that I have no idea if this scenario actually applies to this site.  This is more of a hypothetical for me.

[BitBerau]

BOOM someone kill this site...

[Joca97]

BOOM someone kill this site...

i think this guy cheated 100% its not possible that someone bets 1btc on such a big odd
such hools in thecoins site!!

[rockBTC]

https://i.imgur.com/IW7eiYF.png

BOOM someone kill this site...

i think this guy cheated 100% its not possible that someone bets 1btc on such a big odd
such hools in thecoins site!!

i think this website is officially dead, they need to pay more than 1.5k bitcoins which i dont expect them to have

[paradoxal420]

BOOM someone kill this site...

i think this guy cheated 100% its not possible that someone bets 1btc on such a big odd
such hools in thecoins site!!

i think this website is officially dead, they need to pay more than 1.5k bitcoins which i dont expect them to have

He was blatantly cheating. The site still pays out, just not to people that take advantage of issues without reporting them.

Keep in mind, the site was recently bought and taken over by someone new. So please give some time for all of the site issues to be sorted out.
I'm taking over as the developer and there's a ton of security issues that need to be fixed and features to be added.

I'll be pushing a bunch of updates within the next week.
Soon there will be a max profit, a new provably fair system with more variance, smoother UI and much more.

If you have any suggestions feel free to leave them here and I'll take note of them.

Also, just paid out pending withdrawals.

[rockBTC]

https://i.imgur.com/IW7eiYF.png

BOOM someone kill this site...

i think this guy cheated 100% its not possible that someone bets 1btc on such a big odd
such hools in thecoins site!!

i think this website is officially dead, they need to pay more than 1.5k bitcoins which i dont expect them to have

He was blatantly cheating. The site still pays out, just not to people that take advantage of issues without reporting them.

Keep in mind, the site was recently bought and taken over by someone new. So please give some time for all of the site issues to be sorted out.
I'm taking over as the developer and there's a ton of security issues that need to be fixed and features to be added.

I'll be pushing a bunch of updates within the next week.
Soon there will be a max profit, a new provably fair system with more variance, smoother UI and much more.

If you have any suggestions feel free to leave them here and I'll take note of them.

Also, just paid out pending withdrawals.

update the error messages UI when they come up, make them look as if they are a part of the site

[Madafaka]

hey i think your site is not attractive enough, the colour is blank dark.

[diegocosta]

the site needs a chat and a faucet rankup system that doesnt depend solely on the amount you gamble but equally the amount you chat and tip function and tip bot and an x factor to get ppl looking

[Droganson]

the site needs a chat and a faucet rankup system that doesnt depend solely on the amount you gamble but equally the amount you chat and tip function and tip bot and an x factor to get ppl looking

Site does not NEED a chat or a faucet. It NEEDS to be fixed. I think it's fine as is. I think it also NEEDS to have instant withdrawals but I can understand why they are not currently instant.

[DanilaKor]

ok, secret is not a secret no more.

Just try to do:

1. Make a deposit

2. Bet = 1/1000 of you balance

3. Under 180

4. Push many times.

5. May try to win big amount, just make bet bigger when you think that soon will be win.

If you will make sometimes bet minimal and after - up, will be more interesting.
If you see "744" - be sure that soon will your number.

And who is hacker?

[arallmuus]

ok, secret is not a secret no more.

Just try to do:

1. Make a deposit

2. Bet = 1/1000 of you balance

3. Under 180

4. Push many times.

5. May try to win big amount, just make bet bigger when you think that soon will be win.

If you will make sometimes bet minimal and after - up, will be more interesting.
If you see "744" - be sure that soon will your number.

And who is hacker?

No hacker indeed this is an issue about exploiting a bug on the site, if you knew this sooner, you should PM them with this issue and perhaps they will reward you with bounty rather than exploited it and they locked your withdrawal

[paradoxal420]

BOOM someone kill this site...

i think this guy cheated 100% its not possible that someone bets 1btc on such a big odd
such hools in thecoins site!!

i think this website is officially dead, they need to pay more than 1.5k bitcoins which i dont expect them to have

He was blatantly cheating. The site still pays out, just not to people that take advantage of issues without reporting them.

Keep in mind, the site was recently bought and taken over by someone new. So please give some time for all of the site issues to be sorted out.
I'm taking over as the developer and there's a ton of security issues that need to be fixed and features to be added.

I'll be pushing a bunch of updates within the next week.
Soon there will be a max profit, a new provably fair system with more variance, smoother UI and much more.

If you have any suggestions feel free to leave them here and I'll take note of them.

Also, just paid out pending withdrawals.

update the error messages UI when they come up, make them look as if they are a part of the site

The Javascript alerts? Already plan on it. I thought that was very annoying IMO.

Right now I'm implementing token based authentication on the whole site.
Currently everything is plain text and uses a username/password cookie to authenticate.
Also, if anyone is curious: funds are safe & sound but the site itself is a nightmare ATM.

It seems as if this script was developed by a 2 year old so just please bare with us.... lol.

Cashouts will be instant soon but right now it's not feasible with the current state of the website.

[diegocosta]

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[playingq]

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