REMOVE NUBBINS FROM THE DEFAULT TRUST LIST FOR REPEATED TRUST ABUSE

[Quickseller]

I would speculate that he knows at least partially because the "tor tax" was paid from addresses and/or inputs were connected. WC had said that he connects via tor so it would make sense that his alts would sign up via tor as well

[TECSHARE]

I would speculate that he knows at least partially because the "tor tax" was paid from addresses and/or inputs were connected. WC had said that he connects via tor so it would make sense that his alts would sign up via tor as well

YAY - MORE SPECULATION! Just what we need.

[Quickseller]

I would speculate that he knows at least partially because the "tor tax" was paid from addresses and/or inputs were connected. WC had said that he connects via tor so it would make sense that his alts would sign up via tor as well

YAY - MORE SPECULATION! Just what we need.

if this was the case then would you agree that they would reasonably be the same person?

[BG4]

I would speculate that he knows at least partially because the "tor tax" was paid from addresses and/or inputs were connected. WC had said that he connects via tor so it would make sense that his alts would sign up via tor as well

YAY - MORE SPECULATION! Just what we need.

I SPECULATED..... look at the size of the catfish I cought....

[alani123]

To me, nubbins did an actual PSA, converting his free time to a public warning. Nubbins did the right thing. I think we need more people like him in this community. We all have some special knowledge on different topics. Sharing it will help the community in its entirety.

Now on this specific case, I think the evidence presented was quite convincing. You can't really say that it was a baseless accusation. Bitcointalk seems to have pretty decent understanding of who is a bad guy and who is not. This community usually comes to the right conclusion when appropriate evidence is presented.

[hilariousandco]

To be fair if  they are all using Windows then it doesn't really help the case, or even ubuntu. If they are using another operating system then it could be more obvious. Same goes for the browser. Most users probably vary with both operating system and browser, I know I've logged in on about 5 different operating systems and browsers because some browsers aren't easy to setup in some distributions. But, you are right if they all match then it does raise suspicious that much more.

Everybody doesn't use the same versions of operating systems or browsers though. It's not just a case of oh he uses windows and firefox therefore we've caught him. The admins can see the IPs and detailed info and users are vastly different and if two people are using the same proxies/tor and logging in and out from one account to the next it is blatant.

If the two alt accounts go from using:

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_10_2) AppleWebKit/600.3.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/8.0.3 Safari/600.3.18  
      
&

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.91 Safari/537.36

Both to

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:16.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/16.0

Which is the same as WoodCollectors then that's pretty damning evidence.

I suspect - oh noez suspicionz - that WoodCollector took over one or both of the accounts at some point and the switch would be obvious to the admins especially if they went from using their own IPs/computer(s) to the same connection / computer WC does. If that's the case the evidence builds up pretty fast, but of course only BadBear knows what dirt he has but I trust his judgement and like you said he has no reason to lie.

I can guarantee you BadBear didn't base his feedback just off another member's, and it doesn't have to be just down to the same IP. If they both use exactly the same browser and operating system then that's good enough evidence in this case (and he may have other evidence I'm not aware of). Also, you're right that people sticking up for another isn't conclusive evidence alone but it certainly arouses suspicion, especially when they type the same way and use the same insults etc. More than a coincidence is it not?

Now you are back peddling from your IP "proof" to say that because they both used an operating system and browser that billions of other people use that this is now proof.   Suspicions....
That is ALL anyone lodging these accusations have, 100% SUSPENSIONS.

I'm not back peddling, you'll just find excuses and invent conspiracy for everything based on nothing but speculation yourself. Notice I said such as ie that was just one example. People can think they're smart and anonymous using proxies and tor but if you use the same computer/browser it's not hard to tell especially when there's other evidence against you. It's called putting two and two together and it is very hard to hide this stuff from the admins unless you're really smart about it. Whether you want to admit it or not - which of course you don't because it doesn't suit your agenda - BadBear knows more than you and I and if he's left feedback it's for a good reason.

To me, nubbins did an actual PSA, converting his free time to a public warning. Nubbins did the right thing. I think we need more people like him in this community. We all have some special knowledge on different topics. Sharing it will help the community in its entirety.

Now on this specific case, I think the evidence presented was quite convincing. You can't really say that it was a baseless accusation. Bitcointalk seems to have pretty decent understanding of who is a bad guy and who is not. This community usually comes to the right conclusion when appropriate evidence is presented.

I agree, but it seems the only person who doesn't is tecshare and WoodCollector's alts. Surprise surprise.

[Welsh]

Everybody doesn't use the same versions of operating systems or browsers though. It's not just a case of oh he uses windows and firefox therefore we've caught him. The admins can see the IPs and detailed info and users are vastly different and if two people are using the same proxies/tor and logging in and out from one account to the next it is blatant.

If the two alt accounts go from using:

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_10_2) AppleWebKit/600.3.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/8.0.3 Safari/600.3.18  
      
&

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.91 Safari/537.36

Both to

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:16.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/16.0

Which is the same as WoodCollectors then that's pretty damning evidence.

I suspect - oh noez suspicionz - that WoodCollector took over one or both of the accounts at some point and the switch would be obvious to the admins especially if they went from using their own IPs/computer(s) to the same connection / computer WC does. If that's the case the evidence builds up pretty fast, but of course only BadBear knows what dirt he has but I trust his judgement and like you said he has no reason to lie.

That's exactly what I meant with the pattern recognising. Although, for some reason I just assumed most people would be up to date on their web browsers, because of the auto updating software which normally comes with the browser, unless you choose not to update. Although, with Tor browser none of this applies as it appears that every user is using the same operating system and browser version. I would put money on Badbear having enough suspicion/evidence.

Besides, Badbear has gained enough experience over time and probably can identify them before gaining as much information as that.

[hilariousandco]

Everybody doesn't use the same versions of operating systems or browsers though. It's not just a case of oh he uses windows and firefox therefore we've caught him. The admins can see the IPs and detailed info and users are vastly different and if two people are using the same proxies/tor and logging in and out from one account to the next it is blatant.

What you are referring to is browser fingerprinting. Tor Browser is designed to prevent against that and it does a pretty good job at it.

All users have the same fingerprint, they appear to be using Firefox on Windows regardless of their actual OS, plus Tor Browser also prevents against more advanced fingerprinting methods such as by using HTML5 canvas, HSTS database, Flash cookies or various javascript-based methods.

I guess you could be tracking people using cookies if they logged out of one account and into another during the same Tor Browser session.

I don't know how he did it but BadBear previously figured out someone's alts a while ago and they all exclusively used tor (I figured out a few of them from various other evidence but he found a load more). I even made a joke he should join the NSA  but maybe it was through cookies or something else only the admins know about.

[Welsh]

There is more to it than that, check out this website:

https://panopticlick.eff.org

Yeah I was aware of most of the things which can be recognised. Although, I did based my replies on Tor rather than a VPN. Thanks for the link though, I wasn't certain on a few things.

I don't know how he did it but BadBear previously figured out someone's alts a while ago and they all exclusively used tor (I figured out a few of them from various other evidence but he found a load more). I even made a joke he should join the NSA   but maybe it was through cookies or something else only the admins know about.

Experience I suppose. He probably can identify a lot of people without even knowing the technical process of it all.

[TECSHARE]

To me, nubbins did an actual PSA, converting his free time to a public warning. Nubbins did the right thing. I think we need more people like him in this community. We all have some special knowledge on different topics. Sharing it will help the community in its entirety.

Now on this specific case, I think the evidence presented was quite convincing. You can't really say that it was a baseless accusation. Bitcointalk seems to have pretty decent understanding of who is a bad guy and who is not. This community usually comes to the right conclusion when appropriate evidence is presented.

If Nubbins had simply presented his suspicions and left it at that I might be willing to agree he is providing a service. Instead he decided it was appropriate to turn it into a personal matter by going around negging WC before he even had an opportunity to respond, and also attempted to intimidate others into not speaking out about it by leaving negative trust ratings for anyone who disagreed with his accusations. This is destructive, not productive, and completely relies on the fact that Nubbin's suspicions are correct, something that an impartial person doesn't do before all the evidence is presented. .

It is clear that for whatever reason, be it to harm the reputation of competition, or just to entertain himself, Nubbins has clear intent to damage the reputation of WC and anyone else who agrees with him.

What evidence EXACTLY was quite convincing? Because I don't see any evidence, just a bunch of people speculating about what COULD have happened and ignoring perfectly logical explanations with contrary evidence. The fact that he didn't make a video that satisfied the peanut gallery is just evidence of poor video making skills, not evidence of his guilt. This again is just another suspicion.

[BG4]

To me, nubbins did an actual PSA, converting his free time to a public warning. Nubbins did the right thing. I think we need more people like him in this community. We all have some special knowledge on different topics. Sharing it will help the community in its entirety.

Now on this specific case, I think the evidence presented was quite convincing. You can't really say that it was a baseless accusation. Bitcointalk seems to have pretty decent understanding of who is a bad guy and who is not. This community usually comes to the right conclusion when appropriate evidence is presented.

If Nubbins had simply presented his suspicions and left it at that I might be willing to agree he is providing a service. Instead he decided it was appropriate to turn it into a personal matter by going around negging WC before he even had an opportunity to respond, and also attempted to intimidate others into not speaking out about it by leaving negative trust ratings for anyone who disagreed with his accusations. This is destructive, not productive, and completely relies on the fact that Nubbin's suspicions are correct, something that an impartial person doesn't do before all the evidence is presented. .

It is clear that for whatever reason, be it to harm the reputation of competition, or just to entertain himself, Nubbins has clear intent to damage the reputation of WC and anyone else who agrees with him.

What evidence EXACTLY was quite convincing? Because I don't see any evidence, just a bunch of people speculating about what COULD have happened and ignoring perfectly logical explanations with contrary evidence. The fact that he didn't make a video that satisfied the peanut gallery is just evidence of poor video making skills, not evidence of his guilt. This again is just another suspicion.

You called nibblins competition...... where have we heard that before

[hilariousandco]

What evidence EXACTLY was quite convincing? Because I don't see any evidence, just a bunch of people speculating about what COULD have happened and ignoring perfectly logical explanations with contrary evidence. The fact that he didn't make a video that satisfied the peanut gallery is just evidence of poor video making skills, not evidence of his guilt. This again is just another suspicion.

I dunno, maybe that he hasn't provided anything that can show he can carve? Sanding with a dremmel doesn't prove anything other than he hasn't adequately demonstrated what he's claiming he can do which is pretty good evidence in itself. The video he posted was like asking someone who is claiming be a master painter to prove they can paint replicas of the Mona Lisa and as proof they show you a video of them crudely drawing a stick figure with a marker pen (one where the outline is just being traced as well). WC could have closed this case very quickly if he wanted to but surprise surprise he just has a whole lot of excuses and tried his best to try weasel out of it hoping people would buy his bullshit with the weak evidence he presented and guess what? It didn't work.

[nubbins]

To me, nubbins did an actual PSA, converting his free time to a public warning. Nubbins did the right thing. I think we need more people like him in this community.

I agree, but it seems the only person who doesn't is tecshare and WoodCollector's alts. Surprise surprise.

Aw, thanks, guys!

Rotten apples like WC ruin it for everyone. TECSHARE's chin-wagging doesn't affect me, because I know I did the right thing.

[alani123]

To me, nubbins did an actual PSA, converting his free time to a public warning. Nubbins did the right thing. I think we need more people like him in this community.

I agree, but it seems the only person who doesn't is tecshare and WoodCollector's alts. Surprise surprise.

Aw, thanks, guys!

Rotten apples like WC ruin it for everyone. TECSHARE's chin-wagging doesn't affect me, because I know I did the right thing.

Don't mention it. Harassment is the last thing you'd need you receive for doing something good.

[TECSHARE]

What evidence EXACTLY was quite convincing? Because I don't see any evidence, just a bunch of people speculating about what COULD have happened and ignoring perfectly logical explanations with contrary evidence. The fact that he didn't make a video that satisfied the peanut gallery is just evidence of poor video making skills, not evidence of his guilt. This again is just another suspicion.

I dunno, maybe that he hasn't provided anything that can show he can carve? Sanding with a dremmel doesn't prove anything other than he hasn't adequately demonstrated what he's claiming he can do which is pretty good evidence in itself. The video he posted was like asking someone who is claiming be a master painter to prove they can paint replicas of the Mona Lisa and as proof they show you a video of them crudely drawing a stick figure with a marker pen (one where the outline is just being traced as well). WC could have closed this case very quickly if he wanted to but surprise surprise he just has a whole lot of excuses and tried his best to try weasel out of it hoping people would buy his bullshit with the weak evidence he presented and guess what? It didn't work.

How long has it been since this whole shitfest started, what like 8 days? So he produced a video that did not meet the stringent and constantly shifting standards of the mob right away rushing to try to get something out. It is a fair amount of work to stop his lifes normal activities, set up a proper camera setup, carve the piece from start to finish, then a very long time to upload the high resolution video. Meanwhile the whole time everyone is already making their conclusions even before the first video was posted. That is not "weasling", that is just everyone jumping to even more conclusions. More video is on the way. I suggest people suspend their judgement until then.

[BG4]

What evidence EXACTLY was quite convincing? Because I don't see any evidence, just a bunch of people speculating about what COULD have happened and ignoring perfectly logical explanations with contrary evidence. The fact that he didn't make a video that satisfied the peanut gallery is just evidence of poor video making skills, not evidence of his guilt. This again is just another suspicion.

I dunno, maybe that he hasn't provided anything that can show he can carve? Sanding with a dremmel doesn't prove anything other than he hasn't adequately demonstrated what he's claiming he can do which is pretty good evidence in itself. The video he posted was like asking someone who is claiming be a master painter to prove they can paint replicas of the Mona Lisa and as proof they show you a video of them crudely drawing a stick figure with a marker pen (one where the outline is just being traced as well). WC could have closed this case very quickly if he wanted to but surprise surprise he just has a whole lot of excuses and tried his best to try weasel out of it hoping people would buy his bullshit with the weak evidence he presented and guess what? It didn't work.

How long has it been since this whole shitfest started, what like 8 days? So he produced a video that did not meet the stringent and constantly shifting standards of the mob right away rushing to try to get something out. It is a fair amount of work to stop his lifes normal activities, set up a proper camera setup, carve the piece from start to finish, then a very long time to upload the high resolution video. Meanwhile the whole time everyone is already making their conclusions even before the first video was posted. That is not "weasling", that is just everyone jumping to even more conclusions. More video is on the way. I suggest people suspend their judgement until then.

So you are now the spokes person for Woodcollector.....   Woodcollector is a sham , that would make you a sham.   You have been cought with your hand up woodcollectors ass with woodcollectors video on your domain. I understand why you dont want to pull your hand out now... All you are is SMOKE AND MIRRORS as you  try to save your woodcollector puppet.... I have read your entire 3 years worth of BullShit....  Something just doesnt Smell right..... So just leave your hand right where its at.....

I do believe WoodCollector is an honest and skilled craftsman, and I make this conclusion as a craftsman myself. I do not think WoodCollector used lazers or a CNC mill or any other automated system to produce his work. I find it asinine that people are willing to ignore a much simpler explanation for it but rather defaulting to endless theories and constantly shifting speculation and regarding it as proof. Why again is the burden of proof not upon Nubbins? Making accusations is not hard... anyone can do it without any fraudulent activity needing being involved at all by the accused party.

This Paragraph makes you a sham.....  after reading all you Bullshit.... I think Im going to nickname you ...Jim Henson because you have been running one hell of a muppet show......

YOU ARE A SHAM..... plain and simple....

[smoothie]

I see Nubbins has modified his attempt at intimidating me into silence to a neutral rating now ... This demonstrates without a doubt he is willing to abuse the trust system to win petty flame wars he started. He does not belong on the default trust list.

So now I'm to be removed from Default Trust because I changed my rating of you to a more accurate one?

Haha. Fuck you. Lock this thread, you embarass yourself. 

The hilarious thing is that Techshare still cannot figure out why he was removed from the Default Trust List.



~BCX~

I haven't kept up with it.

Why was he removed from the Default Trust List?

Link?

[TECSHARE]

MY LETTERS ARE BIG AND RED

Your argument is irrelevant.

[hilariousandco]

Techshare was removed by three staff members, (Badbear, SaltySpitoon, and I think Hilariousandco) from their Trust list after Theymos supposedly ordered them to do. (<--not exactly true)
Over the past month Techshare has accused Theymos, Badbear, Saltyspitoon, Hilariousandco, Vod, and many others of all plotting to ruin his online life.

I didn't remove him but a couple of the others did.

[nubbins]

TECSHARE losing all the e-battles... Should level up with some more personality points first, and try again