Philipma1957's attempt to rate current Manufacturers of Asic . Results in.

[Blazed]

I can't believe AM did so bad in the caring for customers departments. They may have shitty customer service but they clearly care about their customers as evidenced by the Prisma buy back program. In my book that puts them straight to the top of that list. If there was a profitability question, it would probably also put the Prisma straight to the top of that list too.

I know you are a fan of AM, but lets be serious.  They did eventually buy them back after months of us bitching and dealing with some fires. During the months we waited we got 0 responses from them...plus they were late in shipping with no updates. Many people like myself were shipped non working controllers or controllers that could only do 1 pool? The lack of quality and support was pathetic.

Edit: I will agree they did the right thing and all, but the experience left me with a bad taste in my dealing with AM. I even gave them the benefit of the doubt when I was shipped a dead Tube and tried a Prisma a couple months later. With companies like Bitmain and SP-Tech shipping higher quality gear and being responsive...who would want AM gear again?

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[philipma1957]

https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give

Philip, thank you for running the poll.
2 BTCs were donated to Wilkimedia foundation, I've PM you the transaction details.

Guy

To confirm  guy did donate 2btc to wiki today.





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[Guy Corem]

I will list the pdf shots of it later today. I took at least 7 of them over the course of the poll
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It will be interesting to know when Avalon got the spike. My guess looking at the participants graph, is 2 days ago.
It seems like the only deliberate skewing attempt.

[dogie]

I will list the pdf shots of it later today. I took at least 7 of them over the course of the poll
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It will be interesting to know when Avalon got the spike. My guess looking at the participants graph, is 2 days ago.
It seems like the only deliberate skewing attempt.

That's a bit tin foil. Maybe all those spondoolies votes were fake or spondoolies employees eh? It is an inherent problem with surveys though, people only want to believe in results that validate their own opinions.

[philipma1957]

I will list the pdf shots of it later today. I took at least 7 of them over the course of the poll
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It will be interesting to know when Avalon got the spike. My guess looking at the participants graph, is 2 days ago.
It seems like the only deliberate skewing attempt.

I am going over the tracking now.  first set was at 6 votes.






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[Guy Corem]

I will list the pdf shots of it later today. I took at least 7 of them over the course of the poll
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It will be interesting to know when Avalon got the spike. My guess looking at the participants graph, is 2 days ago.
It seems like the only deliberate skewing attempt.

That's a bit tin foil. Maybe all those spondoolies votes were fake or spondoolies employees eh? It is an inherent problem with surveys though, people only want to believe in results that validate their own opinions.

No, we didn't skew as was demonstrated from the first poll you killed.
Let's wait for Philip posts and see the development.

[philipma1957]

I have shots on every day but sunday. As it  was superbowl sunday.

here is the last set of shots on  Saturday 43  then monday was 58 so those last 15 votes were heavy on avalon

 43 votes were in only 1 vote on Saturday  1 vote on Friday. Most likely many in the sp-tech bitmaintech camps voted by then.    first days got a lot of votes. 28 then 7

 I got busy on Sunday and a lot of votes were cast for  avalon on sunday during the superbowl to be fair. someone noticed  the thread and answered avalon a lot more in the end.  but if you notice the first day had 28 votes the second day had 7 my guess is no one from avalon noticed this poll we only have two  threads with current avalon info.  once people saw it avalon got some votes.  they have a very quiet piece of gear in the avalon 4 and it can run at very efficient power rates . if it runs on lowest setting.









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[Guy Corem]

I have shots on every day but sunday. As it  was superbowl sunday.

here is the last set of shots on  Saturday 43  then monday was 58 so those last 15 votes were heavy on avalon

 43 votes were in only 1 vote on Saturday  1 vote on Friday. Most likely many in the sp-tech bitmaintech camps voted by then.    first days got a lot of votes. 28 then 7

 I got busy on Sunday and a lot of votes were cast for  avalon on sunday during the superbowl to be fair. someone noticed  the thread and answered avalon a lot more in the end.  but if you notice the first day had 28 votes the second day had 7 my guess is no one from avalon noticed this poll we only have two  threads with current avalon info.  once people saw it avalon got some votes.  they have a very quiet piece of gear in the avalon 4 and it can run at very efficient power rates . if it runs on lowest setting.









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[Mabsark]

I know you are a fan of AM, but lets be serious.  They did eventually buy them back after months of us bitching and dealing with some fires. During the months we waited we got 0 responses from them...plus they were late in shipping with no updates. Many people like myself were shipped non working controllers or controllers that could only do 1 pool? The lack of quality and support was pathetic.

Edit: I will agree they did the right thing and all, but the experience left me with a bad taste in my dealing with AM. I even gave them the benefit of the doubt when I was shipped a dead Tube and tried a Prisma a couple months later. With companies like Bitmain and SP-Tech shipping higher quality gear and being responsive...who would want AM gear again?

Like I said, they have crappy customer service but the question wasn't about customer service or any of the other issues you mentioned. The question I'm talking about was who "cares most about its customers". AM fucked up big time with the Prismas but they cared that much about accidentally screwing over their customers that they bought them back for the original price paid for them, despite months of mining on them. Would Spondoolies or Bitmain do that? Spondoolies wouldn't even give their customers fair compensation when their pre-orders didn't live up to expectations and the initial price of the SP20 was a total ripoff. Like I said, AM is clearly at the top of the list when it comes to "caring for their customers".

As for who would want AM gear again, the answer to that is pretty much everybody interested in making a profit. If AM put out a non-problematic 0.2-0.4 J/Gh miner next month at a good price, you'd have to be a major fanboy to chose an SP20 or S5 instead.

As proven by your comment, the answers to this poll are not based on facts or logic but emotions. This whole ordeal was flawed to begin with and damn shady from Guy, especially coming not long after that review spam. And then there was the spreading of lies in other manufacturers threads a few months back. For example, in the AM thread, he posted that he "knew" that FC was selling chips at cost which FC denied. Guy is good at providing customer service for Spondoolies but I reckon his actions on this forum have been a bit shady so far.

[philipma1957]

I know you are a fan of AM, but lets be serious.  They did eventually buy them back after months of us bitching and dealing with some fires. During the months we waited we got 0 responses from them...plus they were late in shipping with no updates. Many people like myself were shipped non working controllers or controllers that could only do 1 pool? The lack of quality and support was pathetic.

Edit: I will agree they did the right thing and all, but the experience left me with a bad taste in my dealing with AM. I even gave them the benefit of the doubt when I was shipped a dead Tube and tried a Prisma a couple months later. With companies like Bitmain and SP-Tech shipping higher quality gear and being responsive...who would want AM gear again?

Like I said, they have crappy customer service but the question wasn't about customer service or any of the other issues you mentioned. The question I'm talking about was who "cares most about its customers". AM fucked up big time with the Prismas but they cared that much about accidentally screwing over their customers that they bought them back for the original price paid for them, despite months of mining on them. Would Spondoolies or Bitmain do that? Spondoolies wouldn't even give their customers fair compensation when their pre-orders didn't live up to expectations and the initial price of the SP20 was a total ripoff. Like I said, AM is clearly at the top of the list when it comes to "caring for their customers".

As for who would want AM gear again, the answer to that is pretty much everybody interested in making a profit. If AM put out a non-problematic 0.2-0.4 J/Gh miner next month at a good price, you'd have to be a major fanboy to chose an SP20 of S5 instead.

As proven by your comment, the answers to this poll are not based on facts or logic but emotions. This whole ordeal was flawed to begin with and damn shady from Guy, especially coming not long after that review spam. And then there was the spreading of lies in other manufacturers threads a few months back. For example, in the AM thread, he posted that he "knew" that FC was selling chips at cost which FC denied. Guy is good at providing customer service for Spondoolies but I reckon his actions on this forum have been a bit shady so far.

 I agree with you on the bolded quote,but Asic miner gear has had problems more then 1 time..

the cubes burned look at the last batch sold by crazy guy and canary in the mine
the 49 port hub burned I know I had one melt its fuse on me.
the prismas burned.

By burned I mean more then a few. 

[Blazed]

I know you are a fan of AM, but lets be serious.  They did eventually buy them back after months of us bitching and dealing with some fires. During the months we waited we got 0 responses from them...plus they were late in shipping with no updates. Many people like myself were shipped non working controllers or controllers that could only do 1 pool? The lack of quality and support was pathetic.

Edit: I will agree they did the right thing and all, but the experience left me with a bad taste in my dealing with AM. I even gave them the benefit of the doubt when I was shipped a dead Tube and tried a Prisma a couple months later. With companies like Bitmain and SP-Tech shipping higher quality gear and being responsive...who would want AM gear again?

Like I said, they have crappy customer service but the question wasn't about customer service or any of the other issues you mentioned. The question I'm talking about was who "cares most about its customers". AM fucked up big time with the Prismas but they cared that much about accidentally screwing over their customers that they bought them back for the original price paid for them, despite months of mining on them. Would Spondoolies or Bitmain do that? Spondoolies wouldn't even give their customers fair compensation when their pre-orders didn't live up to expectations and the initial price of the SP20 was a total ripoff. Like I said, AM is clearly at the top of the list when it comes to "caring for their customers".

As for who would want AM gear again, the answer to that is pretty much everybody interested in making a profit. If AM put out a non-problematic 0.2-0.4 J/Gh miner next month at a good price, you'd have to be a major fanboy to chose an SP20 of S5 instead.

As proven by your comment, the answers to this poll are not based on facts or logic but emotions. This whole ordeal was flawed to begin with and damn shady from Guy, especially coming not long after that review spam. And then there was the spreading of lies in other manufacturers threads a few months back. For example, in the AM thread, he posted that he "knew" that FC was selling chips at cost which FC denied. Guy is good at providing customer service for Spondoolies but I reckon his actions on this forum have been a bit shady so far.

Bitmain and SP care more as they wouldn't have been in that situation. Those 2 companies would have fixed the issues in days not months. Also we will see if AM can release decent gear next time around...I have my doubts. If they can actually make a decent miner I would be willing to buy one used and known good.

[Mabsark]

Those 2 companies would have fixed the issues in days not months.

I doubt it. Each miner needed thorough testing which would mean letting it run for a good amount of time. When you've got thousands of miners to test, it's obviously going to take a while.

[RoadStress]

Those 2 companies would have fixed the issues in days not months.

I doubt it. Each miner needed thorough testing which would mean letting it run for a good amount of time. When you've got thousands of miners to test, it's obviously going to take a while.

Each individual miner? Sounds a bit rough. Maybe the design is the one that should be tested and not the individual miner.

[Blazed]

Those 2 companies would have fixed the issues in days not months.

I doubt it. Each miner needed thorough testing which would mean letting it run for a good amount of time. When you've got thousands of miners to test, it's obviously going to take a while.

I am not out to get AM or anything, but I am always buying gear and hashing it (have for years). I have seen first hand that they lack any real quality control and their gear is much lower quality than that of Bitmain and SP-Tech. I would love to see them make a good miner to help drive prices of all gear down some more, but they need to fix a few issues. AM needs to make a decent controller and check the stuff before it ships. So many people had DOA boards...a few is understandable, but from what others were posting it was lots.

[RoadStress]

I am not out to get AM or anything, but I am always buying gear and hashing it (have for years). I have seen first hand that they lack any real quality control and their gear is much lower quality than that of Bitmain and SP-Tech. I would love to see them make a good miner to help drive prices of all gear down some more, but they need to fix a few issues. AM needs to make a decent controller and check the stuff before it ships. So many people had DOA boards...a few is understandable, but from what others were posting it was lots.

It's very hard to drive down the prices by a lot at this point. I think that we have approached the fixed costs limit and that in order to drive the price down you need to increase the hashing density.

[philipma1957]

actually we don't need any more gear at the moment.  we need btc price to rise.

[Finksy]

I like that AM always puts their miners out at the right price the first time. If only their gear met the stated performance consistently, and they didn't have such a high % of failures compared to SP or BMT.  Spondoolies has impressed the hell out of me with the SP20, if  they can keep their price competitive on initial releases of next gen equipment, they will be the big kid on the block. Their product, communication and service is second to none. I don't even recognize Bitmain anymore these days, I remember when their gear could be bought blindfolded on every release because their value couldn't be beat.  But raising their prices on the S5 recently is just another bad move in what seems to be becoming a trend.

[huffdaddy5]

Alot of whiners on here. How about we add another question. Which bitcoin miner manufacturer is named Bitmain? You know because we don't want to be biased. SMH. I could care less about the past. Spondoolies is currently the best all around manufacturer. No need for questionnaires. I own both Bitmain and Spondoolies equipment, and from hardware to software, Spondoolies has a better product.

[Bicknellski]

actually we don't need any more gear at the moment.  we need btc price to rise.

1. Price rises to make mining profitable... larger farms stay online and ramp up with more efficient units.
2. Prices of miners will never be low enough for a home miner to compete.
3. Race to ZERO $$$ electrical cost is where you will make headway in this commercial mining race now.

@huff... you are so correct sir!

SPTech has been cleaning the floor with the competition on a number of areas I would really love to see their commercial customer list with how many units have been sold. I am pretty sure that be impressive.

[philipma1957]

actually we don't need any more gear at the moment.  we need btc price to rise.

1. Price rises to make mining profitable... larger farms stay online and ramp up with more efficient units.
2. Prices of miners will never be low enough for a home miner to compete.
3. Race to ZERO $$$ electrical cost is where you will make headway in this commercial mining race now.

@huff... you are so correct sir!

SPTech has been cleaning the floor with the competition on a number of areas I would really love to see their commercial customer list with how many units have been sold. I am pretty sure that be impressive.

 A bold statement deserves bolding. I am still turning a small profit,but I think this will end in May or June this year.  Many people feel exactly like you do and it continues to trend in this direction.


Now I have been talking in PM's with avalon 4 builders and I will be getting 1 to test and review.  So some personal benefit to me has occurred due to this thread.

I will make a thread on their  gear  early next week. Shout out to Xiangfu  of canaan-creative thank you.  And I want to show that the  Avalon 4 has a spot for the home miner.

 I have been told it is very quiet and that on low mode it can get 800 gh with 400 watts or possibly  500 gh with 250 watts.  

Many 'home' miners have free power  and not the " I am robbing my boss free power".  They have a noise + watts limit/restriction ie the boss lets them use an electrical space heater. So why not use a quiet miner instead.  I see the day where almost no one has this type of heater to help heat the home



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       I run 2 s-3's at my friends office he has discounted power of 2.4 cents.  His office is cold in the winter lack of heat  and cold in the summer too much AC.
   The 2 s-3's are clocked to freq 312 and are being used as space heaters. He used to have a space heater now he has s-3's .  I promised his secretary I would put one in her place by her desk.  The avalon 4 should be perfect.

   I live in New Jersey we have 2 senior citizen housing spots built in the 70's both are about 10 miles from me.  There are 1000 homes in those two spots every one uses baseboard electrical heat. Simple radiators very costly I believe the avalon 4 is perfect for them.  Now we know a lot of seniors don't have any pc skills but quite a few do. I am really going to try to see if the avalon 4 can be promoted as a space heater for those with baseboard electrical radiator heating.
  Both the s-5 and the sp20 are not quite right for this application I think the avalon 4 is the exact item needed to do this.  I see this as a real growth spot for home mining. Stay tuned for the new thread on this miner.