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January 28, 2015, 05:02:57 AM
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The poll thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938256.0

Snapshot of the manufacturers poll Philipma1957 ran before the mods killed it off



I find the mods action unbelievable.

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Simple question: Why ?
Second question: Was Dogie behind it ?

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Simple question: Why ?
Second question: Was Dogie behind it ?
I think the issue was that there were 5 threads when there really should have been just one.

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January 28, 2015, 05:25:53 AM
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Simple question: Why ?
Second question: Was Dogie behind it ?
I think the issue was that there were 5 threads when there really should have been just one.
philipma1957 didn't find a technical way to do the polls question in one thread.
It also doesn't explain why the threads were removed without ANY explanation by the mods.

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January 28, 2015, 05:27:59 AM
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Guy it is not worth fighting about.

We need a better method to showcase good gear and good builders.

You have good gear you have been a good builder.

Bitmaintech has good gear they have been a good builder.


Asic Miner  has been spotty

Avalon has been spotty.

It is pretty simple the home miner has 4 pieces of gear to pick from at the moment in the 800- 1500gh class and   under 1500 watts  or 1 USA power socket 15 amp 120 volt socket.

the spondoolies sp20

the avalon4

the s-5

the prisma

I can point flaws in 3 of them.-------never owned the avalon4.

I can point flaws in all 4 builders.

I want to create a fair survey thread that stays current on top home mining gear.    

I can't the polls deleted took up a lot of space,  but a survey thread would not.  

I am tired will think this over a good nights sleep.



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January 28, 2015, 05:41:09 AM
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Guy it is not worth fighting about.
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I don't intend to let go until an explanation will be provided. I find the mod action hostile and biased.
I'm starting to suspect foul, evil play.

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Guy it is not worth fighting about.
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I don't intend to let go until an explanation will be provided. I find the mod action hostile and biased.
I'm starting to suspect foul, evil play.
It is ridiculous that a Legendary member of Bitcointalk can't run some polls about hardware in the hardware forum.

Why were the polls and all their comments removed? Surely they were on-topic for the hardware forum?

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Guy it is not worth fighting about.
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I don't intend to let go until an explanation will be provided. I find the mod action hostile and biased.
I'm starting to suspect foul, evil play.
These kinds of polls are very easy to manipulate anyway. I wouldn't say being the winner of these kinds of polls would give you any additional credibility. I would say that having a long term positive customer experiences (like providing good customer support, making machines that are stable and run as advertised, and other similar experiences) is what will help your company over the long term.

These kinds of actions are rarely explained by moderators, however it is possible that it was because they were essentially duplicates of each other when looked at on a per thread basis. As mentioned above having a thread with a surveymonkey (or other 3rd party website) link would probably be better if you wanted to insist on having this kind of poll/survey
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January 28, 2015, 05:50:13 AM
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Guy it is not worth fighting about.
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I don't intend to let go until an explanation will be provided. I find the mod action hostile and biased.
I'm starting to suspect foul, evil play.

Isn't it enough that you are one of the 3 remaining ASIC vendors that haven't yet screwed the pooch?

When you pay a guy to make 5(!) separate polls, don't be surprised when a mod cracks down.

They let pretty much anything slide, but if your minions take the piss and clog up the sub that's too much.

You really should have better things to worry about.

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January 28, 2015, 05:53:42 AM
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Guy it is not worth fighting about.
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I don't intend to let go until an explanation will be provided. I find the mod action hostile and biased.
I'm starting to suspect foul, evil play.
It is ridiculous that a Legendary member of Bitcointalk can't run some polls about hardware in the hardware forum.

Why were the polls and all their comments removed? Surely they were on-topic for the hardware forum?
Exactly !
Reductio ad absurdum

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January 28, 2015, 05:55:17 AM
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Having 6 open topics about the same thing isn't OK. It's not fair to people who read/post other topics, since they'll tend to have a disadvantage when it comes to position in the topics list.

Post the polls in Archival, and lock all of them. Then link to the polls from one topic in Hardware.

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January 28, 2015, 05:58:35 AM
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Having 6 open topics about the same thing isn't OK. It's not fair to people who read/post other topics, since they'll tend to have a disadvantage when it comes to position in the topics list.

Post the polls in Archival, and lock all of them. Then link to the polls from one topic in Hardware.
Thank you for the explanation and the solution how to do the poll.

However, it raises more questions:

Why not simply to move the poll questions to Archival and ask Philip to change his post ?
Why the aggressive delete without any explanation ?
Are you covering for another mod action with an explanation after the fact ?
Was the deleting was done due to another Dogie complain ?

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January 28, 2015, 06:07:20 AM
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However, it raises more questions:

Why not simply to move the poll questions to Archival and ask Philip to change his post ?
Why the aggressive delete without any explanation ?
Are you covering for another mod action with an explanation after the fact ?
Was the deleting was done due to another Dogie complain ?


Please do your company a PR favor by assuming good faith here, you had a sensible explanation from the forum admin himself. IMHO the first two questions are kind of legit (though picky), but the last two are slipping into personal suspicion or conspiracy theories. By now I think we've all taken notice that you and Dogie aren't friends, just let it be.
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January 28, 2015, 06:10:42 AM
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However, it raises more questions:

Why not simply to move the poll questions to Archival and ask Philip to change his post ?
Why the aggressive delete without any explanation ?
Are you covering for another mod action with an explanation after the fact ?
Was the deleting was done due to another Dogie complain ?


Please make your company a PR favor by assuming good faith here, you had a sensible explanation from the forum admin himself. IMHO the first two questions are kind of legit (though picky), but the last two are slipping into personal suspicion or conspiracy theories. By now I think we've all taken notice that you and Dogie aren't friends, just let it be.
The third question can be answered by a simple yes/no from Theymos. I will respect and accept his answer.
Regarding Dogie, I do consider him a (misguided) friend. I wrote about it here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938256.msg10284726#msg10284726

Since he did revived "Spondoolies Spam" thread and asked moderator to move it to Meta from Trash, I have enough ground for suspicion. If he'll deny, I'll accept it and publicly apologise.

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Edit: I didn't raise "conspiracy theories" levels questions - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938256.msg10285563#msg10285563

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January 28, 2015, 06:23:49 AM
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However, it raises more questions:

Why not simply to move the poll questions to Archival and ask Philip to change his post ?
Why the aggressive delete without any explanation ?
Are you covering for another mod action with an explanation after the fact ?
Was the deleting was done due to another Dogie complain ?


Please make your company a PR favor by assuming good faith here, you had a sensible explanation from the forum admin himself. IMHO the first two questions are kind of legit (though picky), but the last two are slipping into personal suspicion or conspiracy theories. By now I think we've all taken notice that you and Dogie aren't friends, just let it be.
The third question can be answered by a simple yes/no from Theymos. I will respect and accept his answer.
Regarding Dogie, I do consider him a (misguided) friend. I wrote about it here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938256.msg10284726#msg10284726

Since he did revived "Spondoolies Spam" thread and asked moderator to move it to Meta from Trash, I have enough ground for suspicion. If he'll deny, I'll accept it and publicly apologise.

Guy

Edit: I didn't raise "conspiracy theories" levels questions - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938256.msg10285563#msg10285563



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However, it raises more questions:

Why not simply to move the poll questions to Archival and ask Philip to change his post ?
Why the aggressive delete without any explanation ?
Are you covering for another mod action with an explanation after the fact ?
Was the deleting was done due to another Dogie complain ?


Please make your company a PR favor by assuming good faith here, you had a sensible explanation from the forum admin himself. IMHO the first two questions are kind of legit (though picky), but the last two are slipping into personal suspicion or conspiracy theories. By now I think we've all taken notice that you and Dogie aren't friends, just let it be.
The third question can be answered by a simple yes/no from Theymos. I will respect and accept his answer.
Regarding Dogie, I do consider him a (misguided) friend. I wrote about it here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938256.msg10284726#msg10284726

Since he did revived "Spondoolies Spam" thread and asked moderator to move it to Meta from Trash, I have enough ground for suspicion. If he'll deny, I'll accept it and publicly apologise.

Guy

Edit: I didn't raise "conspiracy theories" levels questions - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938256.msg10285563#msg10285563


Why? Those are very simple questions to answer.
Don't you want to know the answers? I do.

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January 28, 2015, 06:37:44 AM
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The third question can be answered by a simple yes/no from Theymos. I will respect and accept his answer.

Well, I think it was a loaded question, given the phrasing and the fact that it was asked publicly. Now it's up to him to choose whether he wants to answer it or not.

Edit: I didn't raise "conspiracy theories" levels questions - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938256.msg10285563#msg10285563

True, yet you relayed them.

Anyway, my point is that I think most people will agree that Spondoolies is a great ASIC manufacturer, and I share that opinion. And that's precisely the reason why I'd like to see you stay above the crowd by not going personal against other forum members, no matter how biased and/or unfounded their posts may be. For example, seeing Inaba trolling or using ad hominem instead of arguments didn't help BFL with their reputation... just sayin' Roll Eyes
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The third question can be answered by a simple yes/no from Theymos. I will respect and accept his answer.

Well, I think it was a loaded question, given the phrasing and the fact that it was asked publicly. Now it's up to him to choose whether he wants to answer it or not.

Edit: I didn't raise "conspiracy theories" levels questions - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938256.msg10285563#msg10285563

True, yet you relayed them.

Anyway, my point is that I think most people will agree that Spondoolies is a great ASIC manufacturer, and I share that opinion. And that's precisely the reason why I'd like to see you stay above the crowd by not going personal against other forum members, no matter how biased and/or unfounded their posts may be. For example, seeing Inaba trolling or using ad hominem instead of arguments didn't help BFL with their reputation... just sayin' Roll Eyes
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I'm not going personal. I want simple answers to simple questions.

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Look at it from my presepective:
The poll questions were DELETED, not moved.
It's unbelievable hostile action.

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The third question can be answered by a simple yes/no from Theymos. I will respect and accept his answer.

Well, I think it was a loaded question, given the phrasing and the fact that it was asked publicly. Now it's up to him to choose whether he wants to answer it or not.

Edit: I didn't raise "conspiracy theories" levels questions - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938256.msg10285563#msg10285563

True, yet you relayed them.

Anyway, my point is that I think most people will agree that Spondoolies is a great ASIC manufacturer, and I share that opinion. And that's precisely the reason why I'd like to see you stay above the crowd by not going personal against other forum members, no matter how biased and/or unfounded their posts may be. For example, seeing Inaba trolling or using ad hominem instead of arguments didn't help BFL with their reputation... just sayin' Roll Eyes

Just to pipe in a little.  I was not meaning to troll with my comment.  I also did not mention person I suspected as I have zero proof.

I wish we would see a little bit of transparency on what caused this, and how this happened.   I have reported a gaming hardware build that is in BTC hardware forum - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938212.0 and have it was not moved even though it's been days.

I'm not trying to troll just wondered the timeline of what happened for it to be removed.  I know this forum is a place I do enjoy, and it is a "Privilege" not a "Right" to be able to use the site.  I just wish on a incident like this the community was not so in the dark.
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The third question can be answered by a simple yes/no from Theymos. I will respect and accept his answer.

Well, I think it was a loaded question, given the phrasing and the fact that it was asked publicly. Now it's up to him to choose whether he wants to answer it or not.

Edit: I didn't raise "conspiracy theories" levels questions - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938256.msg10285563#msg10285563

True, yet you relayed them.

Anyway, my point is that I think most people will agree that Spondoolies is a great ASIC manufacturer, and I share that opinion. And that's precisely the reason why I'd like to see you stay above the crowd by not going personal against other forum members, no matter how biased and/or unfounded their posts may be. For example, seeing Inaba trolling or using ad hominem instead of arguments didn't help BFL with their reputation... just sayin' Roll Eyes

Just to pipe in a little.  I was not meaning to troll with my comment.  I also did not mention person I suspected as I have zero proof.

I wish we would see a little bit of transparency on what caused this, and how this happened.   I have reported a gaming hardware build that is in BTC hardware forum - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938212.0 and have it was not moved even though it's been days.

I'm not trying to troll just wondered the timeline of what happened for it to be removed.  I know this forum is a place I do enjoy, and it is a "Privilege" not a "Right" to be able to use the site.  I just wish on a incident like this the community was not so in the dark.
Nicely put. Let's have some transparency about what happened.
I think that it's very important.

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January 28, 2015, 07:02:05 AM
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I'm not going personal. I want simple answers to simple questions.

Fair enough. In the mean time, let me remind you theymos' suggestion:

Post the polls in Archival, and lock all of them. Then link to the polls from one topic in Hardware.

...then I'd be glad to reinstate my votes Wink

I'm not trying to troll just wondered the timeline of what happened for it to be removed.  I know this forum is a place I do enjoy, and it is a "Privilege" not a "Right" to be able to use the site.  I just wish on a incident like this the community was not so in the dark.

And I'm not saying you are.

Yes, I think that plain deletion of these polls without any comment from the mods was kind of brutal. However, after theymos' answer, I would assume good faith from the mods, i.e. not make it a big deal, and just move forward. Even if Dogie were indeed the one reporting philipma1957's polls, 1) it's not public information, and 2) it doesn't really make any difference, does it?

Nicely put. Let's have some transparency about what happened.
I think that it's very important.

Wait and see, I guess Smiley
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