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The poll thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938256.0


Simple question: Why ?
Second question: Was Dogie behind it ?

I think the issue was that there were 5 threads when there really should have been just one.

philipma1957 didn't find a technical way to do the polls question in one thread.
It also doesn't explain why the threads were removed without ANY explanation by the mods.

Guy it is not worth fighting about.

We need a better method to showcase good gear and good builders.

You have good gear you have been a good builder.

Bitmaintech has good gear they have been a good builder.


Asic Miner  has been spotty

Avalon has been spotty.

It is pretty simple the home miner has 4 pieces of gear to pick from at the moment in the 800- 1500gh class and   under 1500 watts  or 1 USA power socket 15 amp 120 volt socket.

the spondoolies sp20

the avalon4

the s-5

the prisma

I can point flaws in 3 of them.-------never owned the avalon4.

I can point flaws in all 4 builders.

I want to create a fair survey thread that stays current on top home mining gear.    

I can't the polls deleted took up a lot of space,  but a survey thread would not.  

I am tired will think this over a good nights sleep.

I don't intend to let go until an explanation will be provided. I find the mod action hostile and biased.
I'm starting to suspect foul, evil play.

It is ridiculous that a Legendary member of Bitcointalk can't run some polls about hardware in the hardware forum.

Why were the polls and all their comments removed? Surely they were on-topic for the hardware forum?

These kinds of polls are very easy to manipulate anyway. I wouldn't say being the winner of these kinds of polls would give you any additional credibility. I would say that having a long term positive customer experiences (like providing good customer support, making machines that are stable and run as advertised, and other similar experiences) is what will help your company over the long term.

These kinds of actions are rarely explained by moderators, however it is possible that it was because they were essentially duplicates of each other when looked at on a per thread basis. As mentioned above having a thread with a surveymonkey (or other 3rd party website) link would probably be better if you wanted to insist on having this kind of poll/survey

Isn't it enough that you are one of the 3 remaining ASIC vendors that haven't yet screwed the pooch?

When you pay a guy to make 5(!) separate polls, don't be surprised when a mod cracks down.

They let pretty much anything slide, but if your minions take the piss and clog up the sub that's too much.

You really should have better things to worry about.

C'mon dude, don't be a Spamdoolie!   :)

Exactly !
Reductio ad absurdum

Having 6 open topics about the same thing isn't OK. It's not fair to people who read/post other topics, since they'll tend to have a disadvantage when it comes to position in the topics list.

Post the polls in Archival, and lock all of them. Then link to the polls from one topic in Hardware.

Thank you for the explanation and the solution how to do the poll.

However, it raises more questions:

Why not simply to move the poll questions to Archival and ask Philip to change his post ?
Why the aggressive delete without any explanation ?
Are you covering for another mod action with an explanation after the fact ?
Was the deleting was done due to another Dogie complain ?

Please do your company a PR favor by assuming good faith here, you had a sensible explanation from the forum admin himself. IMHO the first two questions are kind of legit (though picky), but the last two are slipping into personal suspicion or conspiracy theories. By now I think we've all taken notice that you and Dogie aren't friends, just let it be.

The third question can be answered by a simple yes/no from Theymos. I will respect and accept his answer.
Regarding Dogie, I do consider him a (misguided) friend. I wrote about it here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938256.msg10284726#msg10284726

Since he did revived "Spondoolies Spam" thread and asked moderator to move it to Meta from Trash, I have enough ground for suspicion. If he'll deny, I'll accept it and publicly apologise.

Guy

Edit: I didn't raise "conspiracy theories" levels questions - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938256.msg10285563#msg10285563

Why? Those are very simple questions to answer.
Don't you want to know the answers? I do.

Well, I think it was a loaded question (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question), given the phrasing and the fact that it was asked publicly. Now it's up to him to choose whether he wants to answer it or not.


True, yet you relayed them.

Anyway, my point is that I think most people will agree that Spondoolies is a great ASIC manufacturer, and I share that opinion. And that's precisely the reason why I'd like to see you stay above the crowd by not going personal against other forum members, no matter how biased and/or unfounded their posts may be. For example, seeing Inaba trolling or using ad hominem instead of arguments didn't help BFL with their reputation... just sayin' ::)

OK

I'm not going personal. I want simple answers to simple questions.

Edit:
Look at it from my presepective:
The poll questions were DELETED, not moved.
It's unbelievable hostile action.

Just to pipe in a little.  I was not meaning to troll with my comment.  I also did not mention person I suspected as I have zero proof.

I wish we would see a little bit of transparency on what caused this, and how this happened.   I have reported a gaming hardware build that is in BTC hardware forum - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938212.0 and have it was not moved even though it's been days.

I'm not trying to troll just wondered the timeline of what happened for it to be removed.  I know this forum is a place I do enjoy, and it is a "Privilege" not a "Right" to be able to use the site.  I just wish on a incident like this the community was not so in the dark.

Nicely put. Let's have some transparency about what happened.
I think that it's very important.

Fair enough. In the mean time, let me remind you theymos' suggestion:


...then I'd be glad to reinstate my votes ;)


And I'm not saying you are.

Yes, I think that plain deletion of these polls without any comment from the mods was kind of brutal. However, after theymos' answer, I would assume good faith from the mods, i.e. not make it a big deal, and just move forward. Even if Dogie were indeed the one reporting philipma1957's polls, 1) it's not public information, and 2) it doesn't really make any difference, does it?


Wait and see, I guess :)

It's up to Philip to decide if he wants to do the poll again.

We get it.  You paid good BTC for those polls and are upset they got nuked from space.

But deploying minions to spam the HW sub is also an arguably "hostile action" and will predictably result in moderation.

Again, I suggest you

https://i.imgur.com/alfQj02.gif

instead of being a Spamdoolie.

You have a successful ASIC company and should have much better things to do than badger Thermos.

If you need help brainstorming ideas, let us know.

No, I didn't pay good BTCs for the polls.
I asked Philip what he wants for running it, he wanted token payment. He also stated that he'll donate it.

I will do this last post before I let it cool down and see how it plays out.  I am not wanting to become a troll.

If you will read my whole last post I ask for transparency, please re-read my previous comment.  I have not said a name and will not, as again i can just suspect.  I do think it is important on how it happened, this is why I think being open is easier.

If you read "Post the polls in Archival, and lock all of them. Then link to the polls from one topic in Hardware."   Why were threads not moved to there instead of being deleted?

Back to topic. Can I get some transparency about what happened and get simple answers to simple questions?

You already got transparency about what happened and simple answers.

Now you are demanding a proprietary right to discipline moderators and detailed answers with exhaustive explanations.

That reflects poorly on Spamdoolies otherwise perfect record.

You really should

https://i.imgur.com/VXcBOYv.jpg

More spondoolies spam? There's no conspiracy here for once. Spam gets deleted. Grow a thicker skin - it's in the newbies advice thread.

This is a tough time of year for all us jews, but these aren't the nazis you're looking for.

I've been around here for over 3.5 years and can tell you this 100% certainty.

Posting six nearly identical threads will get them deleted no matter where they are.

In addition most people would be banned for a few days.



~BCX~

Because spam gets deleted. If you want specific action like this taken you need to work it out with a moderator beforehand. Not just post it and hope they deal with it the way you hope they will.

Those threads contained poll questions and forum members took the time to answer them.
They weren't spam.
Granted, Philip posted them in the wrong place.
Can I get answers to my questions?

I'm getting strong sense of coverups and excuses after the fact for a very brutal / hostile mod action directed to hurt us due to the poll results.

Mods (as well os other members reporting them) seem to think differently. Theymos even gave you an explanation why in his opinion they are spam.


In my experience: Nope you wont. You seem to take it way to personal anyway.


Thanks for making my point.

https://i.imgur.com/8aSiTUo.gif

https://i.imgur.com/STSwBW4.gif

 ::)

You already got the answer to your question, which was "because spam gets deleted."  There is no conspiracy against you, just normal forum rules.

At this point, you need to stop digging and start doing damage control.  I suggest a 'Sorry Thermos' apology thread.

Your company has a lot of goodwill in the community (a rare thing) and this is a ludicrous issue to waste it on.

The correct action would have been to move the poll questions and not deleting them without explanation.

As time pass and I don't get real answers and transperacy about what happened, I admit that my suspicious grows.

Guy

go away iCEBREAKER!!!!! nobody wants you on this forum besides other trolls like you!

Do you believe there is a moderator conspiracy singling out poor Spamdoolies for oppression?

No, because you've already made up your mind, and I don't care enough to try and change it. Maybe someone else will, maybe they won't.

just go wash some dishes, change the engine oil, ride on a broom!

I didn't made up my mind. Please read the thread.
Direct question: Did you delete the poll posts ?

ok spamdoolie.. you have good equipment and great support.  don't throw it all away and become a spam monster.  it was enough when you had the giveaway and all hardware posts were yours.. but one poster and all those posts.. that's a bit much.

Whatever the complaint is in Meta someone will always look to a conspiracy after something doesn't go their way because the truth is always far less exciting and uncontroversial.

Spam? like the 6 bitmain threads and 5 dogie threads on the main hardware page?

I asked very simple questions, yet to receive any answers. For the mods benefit, here are the questions again:

Yes, spam.  As in a crapflood of unsolicited commercial messages, posted by a single paid minion.

The dictionary and common usage say it's spam.  The admin, staff, and mods say it's spam.  tss and I say it's spam.

You haven't even been here six months and yet you're second guessing all of us (and personally attacking me).

GTFO YOU FUCKING NOOBTRASH.   :D

Oh look! look at the most hated person on the hole forum!

Go kiss dogie's ...! he's got like few threads ''setup guides'' on main page all the time!

Go kiss BITMAIN's ...! he's got more threads on main page, threads that are ''Discussion and Support'' and are not in the Mining support area!

Your defense of the Spamdoolies sponsored crapflood is appalling, and attacking the messenger won't change that.

I'm not defending spondoolies, I simply don't like bitmain & dogie spam!

The messenger was Spondoolies-Tech himself!

If anything this is making you look unprofessional. You've got a great thing going and shouldn't let something like this ruin that.

 Why should they? It's spam. Spam gets deleted.

 It wasn't aggressive. They are doing their job, you've had your explanation even though they didn't need to give you one.

Don't turn this into a conspiracy. Why would he be covering? The threads got deleted because posting all those topics when they could be included in one thread is ridiculous.

I should imagine a lot of people reported those threads.

Why does it matter who deleted them? They got deleted. It shouldn't matter who deleted them. There's a reason why the modlog doesn't show who deleted them.


The issue has been dealt with, theymos gave you a way which he would allow. It's been done and should be forgotten about instead of looking to attack members.

If you really believe bitmain & dogie are spamming, then you would report it.

Why would we do that? We get hundreds of reports everyday. We can't -and don't have to- send a message to everybody and explain why their post is considered as spam.
Theymos already provided you a solution. Why don't you use it?

Here SaltySpitoon, whom Dogie approached to move "Spondoolies Spam" thread from Trash to Meta (Dogie approved it):


And here is Theymos who "don't want to suppress anyone's honest opinion":


Served to the public as food for thought. I'm still waiting for answers and a bit of transparency about what happened with the poll questions. Dogie stopped talking with me.


Guy

Dogie confirmed to me he reported the poll questions thread.
So, no conspiracy theory, but probably a bad judgment call by a moderator. Can those poll questions be revived and move to Archival ?

Why? If I say yes, you're just going to focus on me instead of the issue. If I say no, then you are one step closer, through the process of elimination, to finding who did do it so you can pester them.

I'm not looking for a witch hunt. I suggested reasonable solution. Moving the threads from Trash to Acrhival per Theymos guideline and let the poll continue.

What's wrong with this ?

That's up to Philip, not you. He expressed some discontent with how it was going.

I agree that it should be left to Philip to decide if he wants to continue the poll or not.
I do ask that poll questions will be moved from trash to Archival anyway.

Guy

Edit:
btw, it's ok to admit that the moderator action in this case where too rush and severe. Deleting a poll forum members took time to reply is a brutal action by a mod in my book.
Philip did a technical error when setting the poll, Dogie reporting was childish and expected, the mod should have been more cautious.

Well, yes you did, both of these are older than the post you quoted (at the bottom)

Well, you admitted that you reported the poll thread questions, so it's not.

Recommended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g92VWIu8NQ#t=20s

I reported one post of 6 threads, alongside many, many others. You posted / had something posted in an inappropriate form (as mentioned by 3 admins now) and so it was removed.
I'm not sure why that is on me...

"It's not me, it's the mods":


Go seek help or life. Stop ruining good things other people tries to do in the Hardware subsection. You suck the life out of it.

Guy

Edit:
To the mods, please use more judgement when you see reports from Dogie. I believe the mod action here were totally wrong.

As I said above, your concentrating on me when I have absolutely nothing to do with it. If I'd gone to bed a bit earlier and not reported the one post, we'd STILL be waking up to this meta thread because your threads STILL would have been deleted.

A mod still would have attended and done the same due to other reports, or a few hours later a patrolling mod would have seen them and done the same.


:( That's not cool

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodile_tears

It's likely that other members also reported the thread(s). Not just dogie, they would of been in their right as confirmed by multiple staff members. If this is going to turn into a personal argument between you and dogie maybe you should take it elsewhere. The thread was deleted because it was spam, normally the procedure of dealing with spam is deleting it, not moving it. There's no hard ship in making the thread again, especially since most of the text will be stored in drafts. Of course you lost the votes from before, but you can ask politely if they would vote again. My perception is that theymos was kind for providing you with a alternative.

I see that it's now off site.

Indeed, I will lock this thread soon. I can't prove it of course, but without Dogie's hypocritic complaint, the poll would have continue without interruption.
Why hypocritic ? He posted in one of the poll questions thread. No way to prove it now, since the mod deleted them ...

Multiple people have said now, that's just not true. If I was included within the many people who made a report, or not, or was dead, those threads would have still have been deleted.

yes it's all pretty much spam regardless of the manufacturer in question.  just because one does it doesn't mean the rest should follow suit in nefarious behavior. 

just because the street is littered in garbage doesn't mean you should throw yours on top of it.

be a good company and lead by example.  in this case it's behaving badly and then complaining about being put in time out.  quite sad for what i thought was a stand up member.

I'll say it for the last time:

- Philip did a technical error in the place he posted the poll questions
- Once the poll questions were answered by forum members, they can't be regarded as spam and they shouldn't have been deleted. It's unbelievable brutal action to delete a thread with answered poll question. It should have been moved instead
- You've used technicalities to shut down a poll you didn't like for some reason

On a personal note, Dogie, I'm truly disappointed by your action and the inabilities to admit an error.
You're trying to hide behind an imaginary crowd of "people who made a report". It's pitiful and pathetic.
I thought you're better than that.

Guy

I did not, a forum administrator did. Unfortunately it seems that by the administrator in question not showing their face, you're instead blaming me.... great.


And while I respect that you might be under stress or annoyed by the matters which we can't speak about on the forums, I too am dismayed by you turning this needlessly personal.

"It's not me, it's the moderators". Let's work step by step here.

Do you admit you didn't like Philip poll ? A yes or no reply will do.

Guy

btw:
I'm not under stress and I'm not annoyed about anything. Life is good.

Then there is for some of the things you've come out with in this thread.

1st. You're the youngest donator I've ever seen (by forum join date)
2nd. Having like 5 polls open on a similar subject is probably spam.

1. So?
2. Discussed at length in this thread

Dogie, I'm too tired to try and understand cryptic messages.
I also don't want to keep arguing with you, it's very tiresome.

I kindly request that you'll use better judgment before using "report to moderator" button. Don't be technicalities stickler.

Same goes to the mods, please don't use the delete function carelessly.

I intend to keep finding ways to add life, colors and intetest to Hardware subsection.

So far I did the Legendaries review which other manufacturers and forum members copy and the maunfcturares hardware poll.

Guy

Edit: I want to lock this topic. I'll do it in few hours.
Biffa came up with a nice solution to do the poll externally, unfortunately, it's open to all and not only to forum members.

Edit2: Topic locked.