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January 29, 2015, 10:54:48 AM
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nice list btw
still knowing that ltc is dead or dying dont now how is he on second place still but hopping for some big change in near future to coin.



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January 29, 2015, 11:20:10 AM
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If you want to know how cryptographers really feel then a good starting point is the first answer on this StackExchange post, which was originally on crypto.stackexchange.com and then eventually migrated to bitcoin.stackexchange.com. There's enough cryptographic research meat in there to justify the read.

Indeed.




....and that was 7 months ago. It's moved way ahead since then.
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January 29, 2015, 12:00:39 PM
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Indeed.

....and that was 7 months ago. It's moved way ahead since then.

Surely you jest. Do you actually mean to imply we must trust what this guy says:



vs. this guy:





Everyone's moved on from the closed-source argument ages ago, yet the opinion of Poelstra (andytoshi on -wizards) and others hasn't changed. Instead of quoting some nobody, go and find a cryptographer or two (one who actually has papers on arXiv, please) that will vouch for Darkcoin. Consider it a challenge.

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January 29, 2015, 12:03:25 PM
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He says Darkcoin does not provide anonymity.
He says Darkcoin's implementation of Coinjoin is broken.

Is it true?

I think it's on Andrew Poelstra to prove his claims.
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January 29, 2015, 12:20:11 PM
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LTC.
- Worthless clone.
- Used to have second highest volume. (See DOGE, above.) Now, even that tiny advantage is gone.
- Dead?


Funny alot of trash talking against litecoin in this section and well the market doesn't seem to think its a worthless clone, having greater marketcap and more traded then all other alts put together.

There's a reason for litecoins success.

It took the tried tested and trustworthy and improved on it. The first alt to be fairly launched and even today one of the rare few not premined or not designed for the financial benefit of the original dev.

You guys think just because some clown types some pseudo original code that its somehow innovative beyond btc/ltc?

The Winklevoss' had some major hurdles getting bitcoin approved by regulators for the upcoming ETF, you know though this forum may think satoshi' cool a mystery creator is a hard sell to regulators and even harder for joe public to trust.

All the trashing of it won't change the FACT that it is the leading alt and will remain so, because it has the network, the security and the money backing it.

You think this section of the forum would be proud of litecoins success and support it.
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January 29, 2015, 12:20:19 PM
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Surely you jest. Do you actually mean to imply we must trust what this guy says:

You can trust a war of credentials if more relevantly "credentialed' person has made an in depth as opposed to a superficial one. That isn't the case here.

To save some time I'll quote this remark which expresses it more concisely....

the cryptobloat vs darkcoin debate is over and darkcoin won. darkcoin won before xmr even had a working wallet, if you thought their bloating was bad before just wait till people start to use it as intended. they have a huge inflation problem and are not future proofed with their inferior on chain mixing as pointed out by AnonyMint. their incompatibility issues have already seen them snubbed over drk when it comes to adoption and their cryptography is unproven and sure to have more (serious) bugs found in the future according to peter todd.

fluffypony can ramble on until he is blue in the face but the market has spoken and the debate is all but settled, instantX will be the final nail in the coffin.
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January 29, 2015, 12:32:47 PM
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To save some time I'll quote this remark which expresses it more concisely....


When all else fails pull out the dead horse and hope that noone notices the stench, eh?
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January 29, 2015, 12:49:34 PM
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To save some time I'll quote this remark which expresses it more concisely....

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Well if that's the class of individual Darkcoin attracts then I'm quite happy to have it stay that way.

I will not participate in this debate now that it's degraded to an ad hominem, so I bid you goodbye.

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January 29, 2015, 01:40:19 PM
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Well if that's the class of individual Darkcoin attracts then I'm quite happy to have it stay that way.

I will not participate in this debate now that it's degraded to an ad hominem, so I bid you goodbye.

You're not leaving because of an "ad hominem" attack - there was none, your person was not attacked. You're leaving because your attempt to malign a perfectly good project with underhand emotive phrases like "broken architecture" hasn't washed and now there are too many valid arguments ranged against you.

Some of the points you raise are fair and in most contexts would probably have been constructively accepted. Feel free to draw your own conclusions as to their veracity  or severity, but if you're going to make posts bordering on propaganda dressed up as technical appraisals, don't be surprised if you get challenged over it.
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January 29, 2015, 01:47:39 PM
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I think it's on Andrew Poelstra to prove his claims.

Hi ilodin,

While this would be the case in an academic setting, or even a non-adversarial one, it's definitely not the case for amateur cryptography. The reasons haven't changed much from those written in the Cyphernomicon (2.4.19) over 20 years ago: there is a massive amount of amateur crypto out there; it is extremely hard to analyze in general; few people are qualified to do so and their time is extremely limited. Cryptography is assumed broken until shown to be secure. Never the other way around. This means formal proof, years of cryptanalysis by many experts, and years of field-testing. Bitcoin adds a new twist to this: there is way more amateur crypto in the Bitcoin space than there ever was in the cypherpunk/sci.crypt/whatever communities. The result is a massive asymmetry: people promoting broken systems (a) are often paid to do so; (b) only have their own system to focus on; (c) aren't burdened by truth or honesty; (d) they don't have reputations that could be damaged by interacting with shifty projects (which often take criticism from experts as an invitation to put the experts' name on their website, sometimes even misinterpreting their words as promotion); (e) are able to change or obfuscate their project in subtle ways to evade specific criticism, rendering analysis moot without actually improving anything; (f) don't have massive demands on their time from legitimate projects.

There are very many people with all of these advantages. I have none. So I'm sorry that I'm not doing a detailed analysis of every iteration of Darkcoin for free. But this does not place any burden of proof on my shoulders.

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January 29, 2015, 01:55:05 PM
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Crossposting from DRK thread


Even then, coins aren't flowing through your masternode. All coins are mixing in the person's own wallet, never leaving. The masternodes simply facilitate the tx's at the same time for obfuscation.

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January 29, 2015, 02:03:21 PM
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Dogecoin has the highest usage of any altcoin, including Litecoin (excluding off-chain tipping).

Dogecoin has more community support than all altcoins combined.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

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January 29, 2015, 02:15:00 PM
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There are very many people with all of these advantages. I have none. So I'm sorry that I'm not doing a detailed analysis of every iteration of Darkcoin for free. But this does not place any burden of proof on my shoulders.

I think what he meant was that just because you gave an opinion on a discussion thread doesn't make that opinion an authoritative conclusion, regardless of your background or credentials.

You seem to endorse that very point you your last remark.
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January 29, 2015, 02:35:59 PM
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what is your reference for trade volumes?

Doge trading volume is still 4th or 5th i think
LTC despite being dead is the second

p.s. nice list, it is short but contains most of the info needed

For each Alt/BTC, I pulled data from lots of different exchanges. For each day, if Alt/BTC is traded on multiple exchanges, I take the exchange with the highest volume.

wow, nice job. you should've invested a lot of time and energy

by the way how accurate are websites like coinmarketcap?

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As for NEM, after one year those guys are running an alpha that does not even do transactions...
And their Roadmap has not been updated in months (it looks like a China-based operation)...
And this alpha seems horribly overpriced at about $3,000,000... WHICH GOES TO THE HOLIER-THAN-THOUGH FOUNDERS.

It's hard to see how the Nxt forks are a serious threat at this point...
Though I love the fact that NEM is gonna FOCUS on XEM the currency....
And throw a lot of resources and the PoI algo to make XEM a strong, liquid cuurreny.

This is in contrast to the NXT Pooh-Bahs...
Who all seem to be closeted, bearded Marxist-Leninists that think NXT and money and profit = dirty...
And can't be bothered with a Windows installer = massive security risks for newbies...
And know far more about coding/Star Trek/Star Wars than finance or promotion.

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NEM as it stands right now is running the BETA not the alpha. As for the roadmap, you find as the information on the forum.nemcoin.com has the necessary updates and information. How does the alpha cost 3,000,000 dollars?    
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January 30, 2015, 07:06:26 AM
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Dogecoin has the highest usage of any altcoin, including Litecoin (excluding off-chain tipping).

Dogecoin has more community support than all altcoins combined.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

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this is true
they have more support then other
still this is good cuz if i read correctly on other topic halving is near for doge this can only influence more user in doge and hopping for price change



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January 30, 2015, 01:18:17 PM
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Dogecoin has the highest usage of any altcoin, including Litecoin (excluding off-chain tipping).

Dogecoin has more community support than all altcoins combined.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

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this is true
they have more support then other
still this is good cuz if i read correctly on other topic halving is near for doge this can only influence more user in doge and hopping for price change

Lol, this is a laughable claim.   If true, why did doge move to being mergemined inside the litecoin chain?   

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January 30, 2015, 01:25:33 PM
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Dogecoin has the highest usage of any altcoin, including Litecoin (excluding off-chain tipping).

Dogecoin has more community support than all altcoins combined.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

 Smiley

(Do you actually believe that "technological innovation" matters if there is no growing community that use it?)


this is true
they have more support then other
still this is good cuz if i read correctly on other topic halving is near for doge this can only influence more user in doge and hopping for price change

Lol, this is a laughable claim.   If true, why did doge move to being mergemined inside the litecoin chain?    

Learn what AuxPoW actually means.

Learn about Dogecoin:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=800004.0;all

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January 30, 2015, 02:24:40 PM
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Dogecoin has the highest usage of any altcoin, including Litecoin (excluding off-chain tipping).

Dogecoin has more community support than all altcoins combined.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

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+1 i can't say it even better.. No healty community no stable coin Cool



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January 30, 2015, 10:35:06 PM
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Pretty good new article on NXT, specifically from an investor's perspective:

http://www.coinssource.com/marc-de-mesel-nxt-stage-cryptos/

Maybe you can extract something from it for your consideration.

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