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January 29, 2015, 01:30:28 PM
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I think that is exactly what is good about it.  If it takes so long, it will get spread out a lot.  The seigniorage will be everywhere and nowhere.  

Bitcoin is not going to become a main currency (if ever) before several decades in any case, so just as well take that time to distribute it.  Bitcoin is a century-long project.  As fiat money has been.



Man, it's a cult for some grandeur-dilousional lunatics and can't hold water. It's already hopelessly antiquated.  

All i hear from the Bitcoin hardcore supporters is contradictions by now. It was delusional madness before  (still is) and now it has become contradictions. So i think it's safe to say this crowd has lost its credibility together with the coin they support.

People want to make payments and store value now, not next century. Bitcoin is a joke.

your view: Bitcoin will go down to double digits and people will still be interested. It is one of the most volatile things on earth and can't hold value but somehow in a century it magically is still the leading crypto

my view: next century we will have 5 to 20 wildly advanced cryptocurrencies which get more and more staying power as they progress through the technical evolutionary stages and which will directly cater to the needs of their userbase. So the future is in altcoin developement and there will be a new golddigger era in the upcoming years as old bitcoin is dethroned and real competition between technologically advanced coins for userbase sets in. Cryptocurrency startup will become a billion dollar industry. In my scenario Bitcoin will be remembered as the first one but sadly had too many problems. A lot of altcoins will go mainstream (not bitcoin) and they will see a progression/evolution like that of musical genres last century (first came blues, jazz, then rock n' roll which advanced into a huge array of rockmusic. Later came RAP, POP and Techno and so on) ... so bitcoin is more like the classical music and maybe it will still be played next century amongst some nostalgic people but most people will prefer Rock or Pop.


which view do you think is more realistic?

Bitcoin has really become an obstacle to true technological advancement. And all the cult following with their contradictions and pipedream-hype-talk is an insult to the intelligent man.
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January 29, 2015, 01:36:32 PM
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Yeah, it's effectively becoming faster. Also the volume is incredibly high these days (http://data.bitcoinity.org/markets/volume/2y?c=e&r=week&t=a&volume_unit=btc), which is a good sign for things finally being decided now. Instead of people waiting for movements to happen, they actually go and act in some way.

I should have gotten into Bitcoin back in 1992...
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January 29, 2015, 01:43:32 PM
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Yeah, it's effectively becoming faster. Also the volume is incredibly high these days (http://data.bitcoinity.org/markets/volume/2y?c=e&r=week&t=a&volume_unit=btc), which is a good sign for things finally being decided now. Instead of people waiting for movements to happen, they actually go and act in some way.

Volume is good on the dumps. That's true.
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January 29, 2015, 02:10:32 PM
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Bitcoin price down quickly after a little pump after Coinbase new exchange site
Maybe we will see $199 again soon Roll Eyes

And trading volume is higher than usual, so we can expect huge dump anythime Sad

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January 29, 2015, 02:30:47 PM
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Bitcoin price down quickly after a little pump after Coinbase new exchange site
Maybe we will see $199 again soon Roll Eyes

And trading volume is higher than usual, so we can expect huge dump anythime Sad

Why would we have to expect a dump just because the trading volume is currently higher than usual? A high trading volume just shows us that the market is alive and well. I'd be more concerned if there were dumps at low volume, man.

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January 29, 2015, 04:42:22 PM
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precisely... also volume can be faked.. this market is so rigged to the bones that you'll have to go through a lot of indicators to get the feel of where the next direction is going to be...

Bitcoin price down quickly after a little pump after Coinbase new exchange site
Maybe we will see $199 again soon Roll Eyes

And trading volume is higher than usual, so we can expect huge dump anythime Sad

Why would we have to expect a dump just because the trading volume is currently higher than usual? A high trading volume just shows us that the market is alive and well. I'd be more concerned if there were dumps at low volume, man.
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January 29, 2015, 04:51:27 PM
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just returning to the previous dump value, not really a dump, this is pure manipulation, big fish are eating nicely
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January 29, 2015, 04:57:29 PM
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just returning to the previous dump value, not really a dump, this is pure manipulation, big fish are eating nicely

I believe all dumps downwards for the past 4 months were acts of manipulation. That is, the ones that occured in 1 or 2 days.
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January 29, 2015, 05:33:50 PM
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Well yes, it's most certainly manipulation. That's been discussed at length in the past.
The problems however run much deeper than manipulation.

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January 29, 2015, 05:36:06 PM
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Well yes, it's most certainly manipulation. That's been discussed at length in the past.
The problems however run much deeper than manipulation.

I agree. I was only talking about the major downshifts though. The general downshift is caused by the inherent inflation and the lack of people buying Bitcoin.
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January 30, 2015, 10:15:30 AM
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I think that is exactly what is good about it.  If it takes so long, it will get spread out a lot.  The seigniorage will be everywhere and nowhere.  

Bitcoin is not going to become a main currency (if ever) before several decades in any case, so just as well take that time to distribute it.  Bitcoin is a century-long project.  As fiat money has been.



Man, it's a cult for some grandeur-dilousional lunatics and can't hold water. It's already hopelessly antiquated.  

All i hear from the Bitcoin hardcore supporters is contradictions by now. It was delusional madness before  (still is) and now it has become contradictions. So i think it's safe to say this crowd has lost its credibility together with the coin they support.

People want to make payments and store value now, not next century. Bitcoin is a joke.

your view: Bitcoin will go down to double digits and people will still be interested. It is one of the most volatile things on earth and can't hold value but somehow in a century it magically is still the leading crypto


I should have said: "cryptocurrencies" are a century-long project, and the bitcoin inflation curve is well-adapted to that.  But in the end, there may be other cryptocurrencies taking a larger (or all) of the market share.

My belief is that cryptocurrencies/bitcoin will become true money if there is generalized merchant adoption, and that that is the true fundamental of bitcoin.  In other words, when bitcoin (or another cryptocurrency) is generally used to "pay for stuff".  Also when people will generally accept to be paid (salary etc...) into bitcoin/cryptocurrency.   The absolute price of bitcoin for that application doesn't really matter.  It would be the ease of going anywhere in the world, and be able to pay mostly anonymously, mostly anything.  Whether in an Eastern basaar, in a South-American shop, or in China or Japan.  Whether in Europe or in Africa.  Whether in the USA or anywhere else.  For big or small amounts.  No questions, no permissions, no bank agreements, small fees.  For world travelers.
Only after that, it really may become a long-term store of value, once it has a serious use as a currency.

Now, contrary to any technological evolution which can go very fast, people in general are very conservative concerning everything which touches their money.  Credit cards and stuff like that didn't change the fact that people were holding money on bank accounts.

The last time people really changed their money conceptually, was when they changed from metal to non-backed paper.  It took more than a century, with metal-backing, before that transition was generally accepted.  Changing from fiat to bitcoin/crypto is similar (but opposite) to the transition from gold/silver to non-backed paper.  I say, opposite, because the transition from gold/silver to paper was a transition from liberal-worldwide to state-based, and bitcoin/crypto would be a transition from state-based to liberal-worldwide.

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my view: next century we will have 5 to 20 wildly advanced cryptocurrencies which get more and more staying power as they progress through the technical evolutionary stages and which will directly cater to the needs of their userbase. So the future is in altcoin developement and there will be a new golddigger era in the upcoming years as old bitcoin is dethroned and real competition between technologically advanced coins for userbase sets in.

This is very well possible.  However, bitcoin has the historical advantage and the "long blockchain-and-a-high-difficulty" advantage.  As confidence will build up very slowly in these matters, the longest history is often important.

That's a bit like gold/silver over other metals.  It is very well possible that other metals are more interesting, technically speaking.  Maybe iridium would be better.  But gold has the historical advantage, and no other technically improved metal has taken over from gold.

New cryptocurrencies will always be compared to bitcoin.  If bitcoin is volatile for more than 10 years, nobody will believe that a NEW coin will be less volatile for instance.

Merchant adoption will probably always include bitcoin if any other coin is also having success.

I mean, if bitcoin fails, I can hardly imagine any other coin obtaining more confidence.  What is possible is that bitcoin will grow slower than another coin, and that a few decades from now, another coin slowly has gained more confidence and competes bitcoin out of the market.  But if bitcoin fails before general adoption, I cannot imagine another coin "starting all over and winning more confidence".

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January 30, 2015, 12:04:43 PM
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I think that is exactly what is good about it.  If it takes so long, it will get spread out a lot.  The seigniorage will be everywhere and nowhere.  

Bitcoin is not going to become a main currency (if ever) before several decades in any case, so just as well take that time to distribute it.  Bitcoin is a century-long project.  As fiat money has been.



Man, it's a cult for some grandeur-dilousional lunatics and can't hold water. It's already hopelessly antiquated.  

All i hear from the Bitcoin hardcore supporters is contradictions by now. It was delusional madness before  (still is) and now it has become contradictions. So i think it's safe to say this crowd has lost its credibility together with the coin they support.

People want to make payments and store value now, not next century. Bitcoin is a joke.

your view: Bitcoin will go down to double digits and people will still be interested. It is one of the most volatile things on earth and can't hold value but somehow in a century it magically is still the leading crypto

my view: next century we will have 5 to 20 wildly advanced cryptocurrencies which get more and more staying power as they progress through the technical evolutionary stages and which will directly cater to the needs of their userbase. So the future is in altcoin developement and there will be a new golddigger era in the upcoming years as old bitcoin is dethroned and real competition between technologically advanced coins for userbase sets in. Cryptocurrency startup will become a billion dollar industry. In my scenario Bitcoin will be remembered as the first one but sadly had too many problems. A lot of altcoins will go mainstream (not bitcoin) and they will see a progression/evolution like that of musical genres last century (first came blues, jazz, then rock n' roll which advanced into a huge array of rockmusic. Later came RAP, POP and Techno and so on) ... so bitcoin is more like the classical music and maybe it will still be played next century amongst some nostalgic people but most people will prefer Rock or Pop.


which view do you think is more realistic?

Bitcoin has really become an obstacle to true technological advancement. And all the cult following with their contradictions and pipedream-hype-talk is an insult to the intelligent man.

In altcoin? No way. If for any reason bitcoin does fail, I don't think any of the alts are worthy enough to take the place of bitcoin. Even then my belief still holds true that one day bitcoin will be the currency that replaces fiat.

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January 30, 2015, 02:07:17 PM
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Well, and then there was a dreammaterial by the name 'Unobtanium' ...   Wink

I hope everyone is holding a few in their portfolio, just in case...
It deserves a close look.
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January 30, 2015, 02:13:23 PM
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I think that is exactly what is good about it.  If it takes so long, it will get spread out a lot.  The seigniorage will be everywhere and nowhere.  

Bitcoin is not going to become a main currency (if ever) before several decades in any case, so just as well take that time to distribute it.  Bitcoin is a century-long project.  As fiat money has been.



Man, it's a cult for some grandeur-dilousional lunatics and can't hold water. It's already hopelessly antiquated.  

All i hear from the Bitcoin hardcore supporters is contradictions by now. It was delusional madness before  (still is) and now it has become contradictions. So i think it's safe to say this crowd has lost its credibility together with the coin they support.

People want to make payments and store value now, not next century. Bitcoin is a joke.

your view: Bitcoin will go down to double digits and people will still be interested. It is one of the most volatile things on earth and can't hold value but somehow in a century it magically is still the leading crypto

my view: next century we will have 5 to 20 wildly advanced cryptocurrencies which get more and more staying power as they progress through the technical evolutionary stages and which will directly cater to the needs of their userbase. So the future is in altcoin developement and there will be a new golddigger era in the upcoming years as old bitcoin is dethroned and real competition between technologically advanced coins for userbase sets in. Cryptocurrency startup will become a billion dollar industry. In my scenario Bitcoin will be remembered as the first one but sadly had too many problems. A lot of altcoins will go mainstream (not bitcoin) and they will see a progression/evolution like that of musical genres last century (first came blues, jazz, then rock n' roll which advanced into a huge array of rockmusic. Later came RAP, POP and Techno and so on) ... so bitcoin is more like the classical music and maybe it will still be played next century amongst some nostalgic people but most people will prefer Rock or Pop.


which view do you think is more realistic?

Bitcoin has really become an obstacle to true technological advancement. And all the cult following with their contradictions and pipedream-hype-talk is an insult to the intelligent man.

In altcoin? No way. If for any reason bitcoin does fail, I don't think any of the alts are worthy enough to take the place of bitcoin. Even then my belief still holds true that one day bitcoin will be the currency that replaces fiat.

If Bitcoin doesn't fear the underdog, it's gonna get burned real quick

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January 30, 2015, 04:26:19 PM
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I think that is exactly what is good about it.  If it takes so long, it will get spread out a lot.  The seigniorage will be everywhere and nowhere.  

Bitcoin is not going to become a main currency (if ever) before several decades in any case, so just as well take that time to distribute it.  Bitcoin is a century-long project.  As fiat money has been.



Man, it's a cult for some grandeur-dilousional lunatics and can't hold water. It's already hopelessly antiquated.  

All i hear from the Bitcoin hardcore supporters is contradictions by now. It was delusional madness before  (still is) and now it has become contradictions. So i think it's safe to say this crowd has lost its credibility together with the coin they support.

People want to make payments and store value now, not next century. Bitcoin is a joke.

your view: Bitcoin will go down to double digits and people will still be interested. It is one of the most volatile things on earth and can't hold value but somehow in a century it magically is still the leading crypto

my view: next century we will have 5 to 20 wildly advanced cryptocurrencies which get more and more staying power as they progress through the technical evolutionary stages and which will directly cater to the needs of their userbase. So the future is in altcoin developement and there will be a new golddigger era in the upcoming years as old bitcoin is dethroned and real competition between technologically advanced coins for userbase sets in. Cryptocurrency startup will become a billion dollar industry. In my scenario Bitcoin will be remembered as the first one but sadly had too many problems. A lot of altcoins will go mainstream (not bitcoin) and they will see a progression/evolution like that of musical genres last century (first came blues, jazz, then rock n' roll which advanced into a huge array of rockmusic. Later came RAP, POP and Techno and so on) ... so bitcoin is more like the classical music and maybe it will still be played next century amongst some nostalgic people but most people will prefer Rock or Pop.


which view do you think is more realistic?

Bitcoin has really become an obstacle to true technological advancement. And all the cult following with their contradictions and pipedream-hype-talk is an insult to the intelligent man.

In altcoin? No way. If for any reason bitcoin does fail, I don't think any of the alts are worthy enough to take the place of bitcoin. Even then my belief still holds true that one day bitcoin will be the currency that replaces fiat.

If Bitcoin doesn't fear the underdog, it's gonna get burned real quick

What underdog tho? tell me a project that realistically can make Bitcoin be in danger of being replaced.
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January 30, 2015, 04:30:48 PM
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What underdog tho? tell me a project that realistically can make Bitcoin be in danger of being replaced.

by the time everyone sees it, it will already be too late  Grin
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January 31, 2015, 10:19:44 AM
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I think that is exactly what is good about it.  If it takes so long, it will get spread out a lot.  The seigniorage will be everywhere and nowhere.  

Bitcoin is not going to become a main currency (if ever) before several decades in any case, so just as well take that time to distribute it.  Bitcoin is a century-long project.  As fiat money has been.



Man, it's a cult for some grandeur-dilousional lunatics and can't hold water. It's already hopelessly antiquated.  

All i hear from the Bitcoin hardcore supporters is contradictions by now. It was delusional madness before  (still is) and now it has become contradictions. So i think it's safe to say this crowd has lost its credibility together with the coin they support.

People want to make payments and store value now, not next century. Bitcoin is a joke.

your view: Bitcoin will go down to double digits and people will still be interested. It is one of the most volatile things on earth and can't hold value but somehow in a century it magically is still the leading crypto

my view: next century we will have 5 to 20 wildly advanced cryptocurrencies which get more and more staying power as they progress through the technical evolutionary stages and which will directly cater to the needs of their userbase. So the future is in altcoin developement and there will be a new golddigger era in the upcoming years as old bitcoin is dethroned and real competition between technologically advanced coins for userbase sets in. Cryptocurrency startup will become a billion dollar industry. In my scenario Bitcoin will be remembered as the first one but sadly had too many problems. A lot of altcoins will go mainstream (not bitcoin) and they will see a progression/evolution like that of musical genres last century (first came blues, jazz, then rock n' roll which advanced into a huge array of rockmusic. Later came RAP, POP and Techno and so on) ... so bitcoin is more like the classical music and maybe it will still be played next century amongst some nostalgic people but most people will prefer Rock or Pop.


which view do you think is more realistic?

Bitcoin has really become an obstacle to true technological advancement. And all the cult following with their contradictions and pipedream-hype-talk is an insult to the intelligent man.

In altcoin? No way. If for any reason bitcoin does fail, I don't think any of the alts are worthy enough to take the place of bitcoin. Even then my belief still holds true that one day bitcoin will be the currency that replaces fiat.

If Bitcoin doesn't fear the underdog, it's gonna get burned real quick

I think that now, bitcoin has its own space!
and no one can remove it completely!!!
probably, new projects, can erode a bit 'of its market,
but bitcoin will never be abandoned....
and will never die!!
There are other projects that are promising but still have a lot to prove and demostrate!
I'm talking about Ethereum, Ripple, Nxt and why not Burst using the algorithm POC.


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January 31, 2015, 10:23:18 AM
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just returning to the previous dump value, not really a dump, this is pure manipulation, big fish are eating nicely

I wish to see a day when the bitcoin is free from manipulation and has a stable value.
I won't mind going all in on it then
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January 31, 2015, 10:29:16 AM
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just returning to the previous dump value, not really a dump, this is pure manipulation, big fish are eating nicely

I wish to see a day when the bitcoin is free from manipulation and has a stable value.
I won't mind going all in on it then

I doubt its value will ever be completely stable.
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January 31, 2015, 11:28:58 AM
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just returning to the previous dump value, not really a dump, this is pure manipulation, big fish are eating nicely

I wish to see a day when the bitcoin is free from manipulation and has a stable value.
I won't mind going all in on it then

I doubt its value will ever be completely stable.

i don't understand if a Fiat coin it is not stable in real life,
why bitcoin should be???
i see euro, dollar, ruble, yen and all other coins are really volatile!!
and there aren't matters!!!

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