Ross Ulbricht Guilty of Everything

[noma]

The article says arrested in 2013. Was it 2013 or 2014 the year he was arressted in ?

[Madness]

http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/04/technology/silk-road-guilty-ulbricht/index.html

I personally don't think he was behind Silk road , if he was ... he wouldn't be alone .
"The guy was living in a very simple apartment, living a very simple life. So many things don't add up." It dosen't make a lot sense to me if the guy was basically a millionaire , does it guys ?

~ Madness

[12345mm]

TBH i agree with your sentiment ... to a point ... i would argue that there exist extremely harmful extremely addictive drugs that can outright cause death and that those things should be fought against by all means necessary ... if for no other reason than public safety and preservation of life ... with the assumption of life being good and all ... and there are some drugs that let you see fun new colors and give you the munchies and have zero chance of OD and those particular ones should be tolerated by society ... but hey that's just my opinion ...

And you're entitled to that opinion. But some might view it as discriminating against certain drugs and their respective users. Not everyone enjoys weed or hallucinogens, for example. Some people mostly enjoy opiates/coke/whatever and are honest enough with themselves not to continue doing drugs they don't even enjoy.

fair enough ... and i'm sure there do exist some people who can "handle" their poison of choice ... most can't when it comes to those sorts of things ...

[hilariousandco]

http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/04/technology/silk-road-guilty-ulbricht/index.html

I personally don't think he was behind Silk road , if he was ... he wouldn't be alone .
"The guy was living in a very simple apartment, living a very simple life. So many things don't add up." It dosen't make a lot sense to me if the guy was basically a millionaire , does it guys ?

~ Madness

Well he would've been an even bigger fool if he was driving a lamboghini and living in a mansion. You can only buy that sort of stuff when you successfully launder the money otherwise you'll have a lot of explaining to do. He did the right thing by living lowkey as to not arouse suspicion but he was caught with the bitcoins and they were tied back to him directly from the Silk Road.

[Madness]

http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/04/technology/silk-road-guilty-ulbricht/index.html

I personally don't think he was behind Silk road , if he was ... he wouldn't be alone .
"The guy was living in a very simple apartment, living a very simple life. So many things don't add up." It dosen't make a lot sense to me if the guy was basically a millionaire , does it guys ?

~ Madness

Well he would've been an even bigger fool if he was driving a lamboghini and living in a mansion. You can only buy that sort of stuff when you successfully launder the money otherwise you'll have a lot of explaining to do. He did the right thing by living lowkey as to not arouse suspicion but he was caught with the bitcoins and they were tied back to him directly from the Silk Road.

You got a point , he did the best thing he could but he got catched .
But isn't a new Version of Silk road opened once again ? "Silk road 2 or 3 " , and the most important of all and the question that I've been asking my self for a long time , how those people can run such a illegal websites Silk Road , kickass.io , The Pirate Bay etc .. without having their host providers closing their websites off ?

~ Madness

[12345mm]

http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/04/technology/silk-road-guilty-ulbricht/index.html

I personally don't think he was behind Silk road , if he was ... he wouldn't be alone .
"The guy was living in a very simple apartment, living a very simple life. So many things don't add up." It dosen't make a lot sense to me if the guy was basically a millionaire , does it guys ?

~ Madness

Well he would've been an even bigger fool if he was driving a lamboghini and living in a mansion. You can only buy that sort of stuff when you successfully launder the money otherwise you'll have a lot of explaining to do. He did the right thing by living lowkey as to not arouse suspicion but he was caught with the bitcoins and they were tied back to him directly from the Silk Road.

You got a point , he did the best thing he could but he got catched .
But isn't a new Version of Silk road opened once again ? "Silk road 2 or 3 " , and the most important of all and the question that I've been asking my self for a long time , how those people can run such a illegal websites Silk Road , kickass.io , The Pirate Bay etc .. without having their host providers closing their websites off ?

~ Madness

cloud hosting basically which hides their site among 10000 other legit sites and never gets checked by the cloud hoster ... with a cheap load balancer setup in a lenient nation ...

[Marvell1]

Taking bets on his sentence :

I bet .1 btc he hes 25 years to life parole in 15

unless they decide to sentence him on all 7 charges concurrently who knows

[xDan]

When do we find out the sentence?

[AGD]

There were no murders...

[Come-In-Behind]

there were undoubtedly many many people who's lives were destroyed through easier access to hardcore narcotics ... that IS harm ... law or not law ... technicality or not technicality ... *ethically* the guy should burn ... (assuming actual evidence exists linking his involvement which , of course, there was) ...

You are entitled to your opinion, but BTC users tend to be libertarian and thus think governmental babysitting such as banning drug use/drug dealing is immoral. I don't tell other ppl what to do w/ their bodies so would hope for the same in return. Banning drug use sounds like something out of a previous century.

The issue with allowing people to do...well whatever the choose with themselves is that most people don' have the knowledge(Well all people), to make the right decisions most of the time. We are bound by our own biology, so we cannot have 100% freewill, knowledge, freedom etc(If we did, then you extremist Libertarians would be right, but since we don't the vast majority of you are wrong).

An example is this: A uneducated person is persuaded by a peer to use Opium because in the short term it gives "benefits" such as relaxation, pain relief, reduced anxiety and impaired alertness and coordination. The person doesn't know any better because of his ignorance, so he goes ahead and takes the drug. Several years past and his body becomes more and more tolerant to the # of doses he has been taking, so he ups it continually, all the while his body becomes more tolerant and he is severely addicted(A wide variety of "hardcore" drugs are extremely addicting, to the point that after a certain period of time using them, your body physically depends on the drug or you will go into withdrawal and possibly die). The person gets to the point that he gets cancer, heart attack, has an overdose, and dozens more(A lot of which are fatal).

Overall, my point is that people are not limitless creatures that know all there is(such as the effects or outcomes of doing this and that, etc), so, there has to be certain rules that people must generally abide by, or risk destruction of themselves and communities, so no, drugs should not be legal(mostly because of the dependency/highly addictive part, where after certain longterm use your body physically depends on the drug).

[Come-In-Behind]

There were no murders...

Attempted murder...According to the FBI's report.

[Beliathon]

This is what happens when you become an enemy of the state and they need to make an example. See my sig.

[noddy2000]

Good people will be sacrificed unfortunitly before the zombie nations wake up! So eBay, amazon etc should all be arrested for providing a service where people scam on it too! Paypal etc etc but we all know they have carte blanch don't we!

He never stood a chance as he was did allowed to use anything that would show why he did it. Just like princess Diana's enquiry which actually ruled the following cars (not paperazzi that the msm said) caused the unlawful death. Same shit over and over. You practically got no rights left and people still havnt woke up to the truth of what's going on.

And what's this do for dark markets? Fuck all! There's over 100 now and some of them are MUCH bigger than silkroad ever was lol. Just another martor and more peoples rights pissed down the drain. Do you realise anyone running a website now that the powers that be don't like now can be fucked over now? No, your too blind to understand that. Humans have used drugs since the beginning of man but since some power crazy fruit cakes says its bad (except the ones they say you can take) people follow like sheep!

Sad state of affairs indeed!

[Chavez]

There were no murders...

He still tried to set them up. Had it not been a sting operation he could've actually carried out the murders for real so it's probably a good job he got caught this way.

[noddy2000]

there were undoubtedly many many people who's lives were destroyed through easier access to hardcore narcotics ... that IS harm ... law or not law ... technicality or not technicality ... *ethically* the guy should burn ... (assuming actual evidence exists linking his involvement which , of course, there was) ...

You are entitled to your opinion, but BTC users tend to be libertarian and thus think governmental babysitting such as banning drug use/drug dealing is immoral. I don't tell other ppl what to do w/ their bodies so would hope for the same in return. Banning drug use sounds like something out of a previous century.

The issue with allowing people to do...well whatever the choose with themselves is that most people don' have the knowledge(Well all people), to make the right decisions most of the time. We are bound by our own biology, so we cannot have 100% freewill, knowledge, freedom etc(If we did, then you extremist Libertarians would be right, but since we don't the vast majority of you are wrong).

An example is this: A uneducated person is persuaded by a peer to use Opium because in the short term it gives "benefits" such as relaxation, pain relief, reduced anxiety and impaired alertness and coordination. The person doesn't know any better because of his ignorance, so he goes ahead and takes the drug. Several years past and his body becomes more and more tolerant to the # of doses he has been taking, so he ups it continually, all the while his body becomes more tolerant and he is severely addicted(A wide variety of "hardcore" drugs are extremely addicting, to the point that after a certain period of time using them, your body physically depends on the drug or you will go into withdrawal and possibly die). The person gets to the point that he gets cancer, heart attack, has an overdose, and dozens more(A lot of which are fatal).

Overall, my point is that people are not limitless creatures that know all there is(such as the effects or outcomes of doing this and that, etc), so, there has to be certain rules that people must generally abide by, or risk destruction of themselves and communities, so no, drugs should not be legal(mostly because of the dependency/highly addictive part, where after certain longterm use your body physically depends on the drug).

Education is not schooling BTW. Schooling g is programming, you can only educate yourself!

I never let schooling get in the way of my education - mark twain

[noddy2000]

There were no murders...

Attempted murder...According to the FBI's report.

That was for fancy headlines! They always do it! So people feel less towards the people they need out of the way!

[noddy2000]

This is what happens when you become an enemy of the state and they need to make an example. See my sig.

Excellent quote my friend, shame brainless zombies don't get how powerful and accurate some quotes are ;-)

[noddy2000]

There were no murders...

He still tried to set them up. Had it not been a sting operation he could've actually carried out the murders for real so it's probably a good job he got caught this way.

Seriously! If you believe that shit you been watching to much TV(properganda)

[Come-In-Behind]

Good people will be sacrificed unfortunitly before the zombie nations wake up! So eBay, amazon etc should all be arrested for providing a service where people scam on it too! Paypal etc etc but we all know they have carte blanch don't we!

He never stood a chance as he was did allowed to use anything that would show why he did it. Just like princess Diana's enquiry which actually ruled the following cars (not paperazzi that the msm said) caused the unlawful death. Same shit over and over. You practically got no rights left and people still havnt woke up to the truth of what's going on.

And what's this do for dark markets? Fuck all! There's over 100 now and some of them are MUCH bigger than silkroad ever was lol. Just another martor and more peoples rights pissed down the drain. Do you realise anyone running a website now that the powers that be don't like now can be fucked over now? No, your too blind to understand that. Humans have used drugs since the beginning of man but since some power crazy fruit cakes says its bad (except the ones they say you can take) people follow like sheep!

Sad state of affairs indeed!

If Ross tried to hire a hitman, then yes he deserves the maximum sentence possible. If he did not try to hire a hitman, then I agree with you that it's a bit unfair, especially when he helped take drugs off the streets(where violence is common). My view is that the hitman case outcome is what will separate him from either being a simple website developer/admin or a murderer(attempted).

[leopard2]

on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?