How 999dice.com is stealing your coins, and exactly why you won't believe me

[Enzyme]

Yes, I believe this is true.
Why? Because 999dice is the only website I lose ALL of my capital on.

[tono]

please close the damn site

CLOSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tono]

if this is allowed to be more and more fall victim
# scams

[arnab]

yeh.they steal my coins too....and now i am using dicenow.com which is far better from this one

[minerbit hill]

Deal with trustworthy sites only , don't send money to strangers that will 99% result in stolen money.

[Bardman]

Yes, I believe this is true.
Why? Because 999dice is the only website I lose ALL of my capital on.

All casinos are scam, ofc you gonna lose your money on them, but that doesnt make it a real scam

[dooglus]

UN FRIGGING BELIEVABLE.

999dice fixes their shit, and makes an unnecessary change that accomplishes the SAME crap they pulled before.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=971447.new#new

Nice catch!

Are you saying they didn't used to overwrite your client seed each roll, and now they do?

I'm not sure it really matters. Even if they left your client seed alone they could still cheat by picking server seeds which play badly with your client seed. They still get to change the server seed to whatever they want each roll, right?

The only problem with the scam you suggest they're pulling is that it's exploitable by a smart player. If the site watches for patterns in your play (hi, lo, hi, lo, ...) and gives you rolls which deliberately make you lose, all you need to do is break the pattern for your biggest bets. If you just lost a bunch betting lo, then hi, then lo, the site will be expecting you to make a big bet on 'hi' next, so they'll give you a low number. So bet <50.5 instead. If they're trying to cheat you, you'll win.

It basically stops being a game of dice and becomes a game of rock-paper-scissors where both sides try to predict the other side's next move. The problem is one side is a dumb program and the other side is a smart human (that's you), so you should win.

[EbbiDos]

If anyone is interested in: I've written a bot that verifies each and every bet to be played fair. And it's client seed is set 'manually' right before a bet is placed without telling the server before betting.
Check out this response to keepinquiet's last find: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=971447.msg10722138#msg10722138

And the bots thread on this board is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=980826

[klf]

All kinds of scams currently exist in various fraudulent schemes in the Bitcoin space

[Bardman]

That just seems like a guy who lost money and its angry about it, what did he expect in the first place when he started gambling? To be rich?

[mayax]

That just seems like a guy who lost money and its angry about it, what did he expect in the first place when he started gambling? To be rich?

right. I am wondering why this post is not edited.

Casinos are not made to make you rich...

[alani123]

That just seems like a guy who lost money and its angry about it, what did he expect in the first place when he started gambling? To be rich?

right. I am wondering why this post is not edited.

Casinos are not made to make you rich...

Of course casinos are not made to make you reach, but at least they should provide you with a basic level of certainty when you're gambling. That's why provably fair gambling thrived with bitcoin. 999dice had (and has) many flaws in its verification system. the 0.1% house edge seems highly unlikely anyway.

[mrhelpful]

This kinda shows us that even the probably fair sites out there can do the same as well.

You just have to observe, and catch it before they are cheating you out or not. Which is pretty annoying in my view, this goes back to "Hey, you gotta check on your own" thing.

If you cant find it, oh well! we win, house rules etc.

[grendel25]

I have won at 999dice.com.  I don't think it's a scam at all.  I think it's one of the best dice sites out there and I hope they never ever change.

[XinXan]

I have won at 999dice.com.  I don't think it's a scam at all.  I think it's one of the best dice sites out there and I hope they never ever change.

Yep i dont think its a scam either, i used to play there and it just seems that most of the people who play there are pretty dumb wich would explain why their profit is so high with such low house edge

[dooglus]

Yep i dont think its a scam either, i used to play there and it just seems that most of the people who play there are pretty dumb wich would explain why their profit is so high with such low house edge

Dice isn't a game of skill. Being "dumb" doesn't change the house edge. However you play the edge is the same, unless the site is cheating.

[Stunna]

I have won at 999dice.com.  I don't think it's a scam at all.  I think it's one of the best dice sites out there and I hope they never ever change.

Even if they weren't systematically scamming every user with rigged rolls I'd wager that the owner (Jake) who if he is who I think he is (Jakemcrs aka simpledice) is absolutely rigging the rolls of highrollers.

I still don't think an edge that low is possible with max bets as high as he's placed them. Also one thing we have confirmed is the fact that he's a liar and has not returned to bitcointalk after he promised to prove his bankroll/massive volume claims to this community. He said something along the lines of how I'd owe him an apology once he shows proof and then vanished forever.

I will say that I'm more confident that 999dice is a scam than I was of dice.ninja, dicebitcoin, or the variety of other gambling sites that have been declared proven scams.

[MICRO]

Yep i dont think its a scam either, i used to play there and it just seems that most of the people who play there are pretty dumb wich would explain why their profit is so high with such low house edge

Dice isn't a game of skill. Being "dumb" doesn't change the house edge. However you play the edge is the same, unless the site is cheating.

Haha... Thats so true. I know a guy who was trying to lose so hard. Betting "dumb" and he just couldn't lose and eventually went up A LOT.
So yeah , doesn't matter if u are dumb or smart , all that matters is house edge and ur luck .

[XinXan]

Yep i dont think its a scam either, i used to play there and it just seems that most of the people who play there are pretty dumb wich would explain why their profit is so high with such low house edge

Dice isn't a game of skill. Being "dumb" doesn't change the house edge. However you play the edge is the same, unless the site is cheating.

Haha... Thats so true. I know a guy who was trying to lose so hard. Betting "dumb" and he just couldn't lose and eventually went up A LOT.
So yeah , doesn't matter if u are dumb or smart , all that matters is house edge and ur luck .

But what does matter is if you quit or you still play there and when i was playing there the users in chat were always coming up with "new strategies" and they kept loosing their money and again and again, thats what i meant by dumb players

[crazyearner]

Well if their stealing peoples coins then people should stop playing on sites like this and move on elsewhere.  I do not play such sites so I do not even bother to risk losing or having coins stolen from me if the sites rigged from the beginning ill stay well away from such places. Problem solved.