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February 10, 2015, 05:46:44 PM
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We'll have to wait for tomorrow, February 11 to see. Greece won't be exiting the Euro most likely but since the eurogroup takes place tomorrow we'll surely see some interesting events unfold. And honestly, if you're going to get your news from an online source, my suggestion is that you should also use a website that is located to a country withing the eurozone.

http://www.dw.de/ from Germany and http://www.ekathimerini.com/ from Greece are decent imo. Websites like http://www.independent.co.uk/ and most websites from the USA always take a different approach on the topic. Sometimes their reports range from inaccurate absolute speculation. You need to look at both sides of the story to have a clear image.

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February 11, 2015, 05:22:11 AM
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Greece's government could leave the €, but the Greeks will not abandon their €.
In fact, many of the just moved their € from Greece's banks to germany's banks, to avoid any risk of bank's holidays and forced conversion to new drachmas.

If the Government just default on the debt or leave the €, it will need to pay every imports, good and service in € or $ or gold. In full and upfront.
The worst thing can happen to a government is just being forced to pay upfront and in cash for its spending and with someone else money.
They would be forced to tax as much as they like to spend. And, usually, this lead to peasants with pitchforks showing under the walls of the governments offices.
They would be forced to balance their budget.  Ohhh the horror!!!! The HORROR!!!!

The default on the debt would cause an increase on the government debts of other countries. This is because they can not afford Greece to default, because this would cause a chain reaction of insolvency.
Italy, my country, is just on the brink of the default. 600+€ per capita added to the government debt will not help a lot. It would push the debt/gdp ratio near 140% in a moment.
Other smaller countries would be in similar situations. Their debt/GDP could be better, but their economy could not endure the increase of interest rate or just be unable to pay more.
Even Germany, their bank sector is vulnerable to defaults, because their banks are overextended (often a lot more than Italy's).

The QE is needed to backstop all of this injecting enough liquidity to prevent the other countries and their banks from popping like Christmas lights after the Greek government default.

What will happen is a large increase of currency controls. And this will benefit Bitcoin adoption.


With the exception of Argentina, currency controls doesn't bring any benefit to Bitcoin.

Anyway, Bitcoin is still experimental and probably most Greeks don't anything about that. Of course, it still remains as a great option in case of a bank run.
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February 11, 2015, 06:03:42 AM
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Greece going out of EU will have little or no impact on price of bitcoin, there may be some pump attempts, but i doubt it will go anywhere.
I would rather invest in EUR than in btc right now, because without parasyte Greece, EU will be better off now.
The Euro and its unelected bureaucracy will attract parasites like shit attracts flies.  You'd better get used to it.
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February 11, 2015, 05:26:11 PM
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Nothing will happen because most people don't even know what Bitcoin is and will rather keep their money under the sofa.
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February 11, 2015, 10:30:27 PM
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With the exception of Argentina, Venezuela, Brazil, Iran, Pakistan, etc.currency controls doesn't bring any benefit to Bitcoin.

Anyway, Bitcoin is still experimental and probably most Greeks don't anything about that. Of course, it still remains as a great option in case of a bank run.

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February 11, 2015, 10:37:55 PM
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We shall consider the alternative. Greece gets a new bailout, and some of its debt is cancelled. The instant effect will be a Euro going down against the dollar, which may trigger a rise in BTC's price which would suddenly look stronger.

Either way, the Euro will lose, which is bad but the worse to see the Greeks winning that battle. They are the bad guys. Many African countries are more efficient than Greece!


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February 11, 2015, 10:43:35 PM
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Nothing will happen because most people don't even know what Bitcoin is and will rather keep their money under the sofa.

Under the sofa you say? what year are you in?

No Greece is going nowhere if they left who is going to bail them out.

But if they was to leave BTC price will still stay the same imo

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February 11, 2015, 11:13:12 PM
Last edit: February 15, 2015, 09:03:39 PM by nachoig
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With the exception of Argentina, Venezuela, Brazil, Iran, Pakistan, etc.currency controls doesn't bring any benefit to Bitcoin.

Anyway, Bitcoin is still experimental and probably most Greeks don't anything about that. Of course, it still remains as a great option in case of a bank run.

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Brazil doesn't have currency controls.

Venezuela, Iran or Pakistan hold more potential regarding this. But none of these countries has the same level of adoption or knowledge about Bitcoin reached by Argentina, so until this moment, currency controls didn't increase significatively the adoption of Bitcoin.
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February 14, 2015, 05:19:07 AM
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financial irresponsibility isn't bad for the currency it's bad for the irresponsible managers of the currency.  If people are stupid and spend irresponsibly then the money isn't worth squat to them.  It's not so much that currency isn't valuable but when you have no currency to spend you are just poor and have to find some way to get currency and hopefully be responsible the next time.  That's why Greece is now looking for debt forgiveness.

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February 15, 2015, 08:37:06 PM
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I don´t know the effect over bitcoin, but i know greece will recover vastly, europe is a trap.

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February 16, 2015, 04:00:00 PM
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I don´t know the effect over bitcoin, but i know greece will recover vastly, europe is a trap.

Not so sure about that. They are not going to magically start producing value by leaving the euro.
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