Bitcoin Forum
December 07, 2016, 06:25:04 PM *
News: Latest stable version of Bitcoin Core: 0.13.1  [Torrent].
 
   Home   Help Search Donate Login Register  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: The last thing I want to see is political correctness.  (Read 1422 times)
Anonymous
Guest

May 23, 2011, 06:20:42 PM
 #1

I am seeing a lot of users beginning to complain about nihilist-fringe individuals getting their voices heard in the frequent political discussions that occur on the forum, which should be expected. Bitcoin is a huge political statement unto itself. However, we should not stand-by and let only the status-quo be heard in discussions. For every status-quo, humble opinion there should be an opposing view. This allows us to escape from the groupthink that has plagued so many other communities.

So, here's my position: let the politics occur. Let all voices be heard. Let people be offended because if not this forum will regress to anything but a rigorous and quality conversation.

Thank you.
1481135104
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1481135104

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1481135104
Reply with quote  #2

1481135104
Report to moderator
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1481135104
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1481135104

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1481135104
Reply with quote  #2

1481135104
Report to moderator
kiba
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 980


View Profile
May 23, 2011, 06:24:02 PM
 #2

* kiba yawn.

I am sorry..what?

I saw a few thread on anarcho-capitalism lately. Looks to me there ain't any censorship.

wumpus
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 798

No Maps for These Territories


View Profile
May 23, 2011, 06:35:48 PM
 #3

I know what you mean, some people are calling for increased moderation of fringe opinions because it "might scare off new people". Yeah, ... once you start self-censoring where does it end.


Bitcoin Core developer [PGP] Warning: For most, coin loss is a larger risk than coin theft. A disk can die any time. Regularly back up your wallet through FileBackup Wallet to an external storage or the (encrypted!) cloud. Use a separate offline wallet for storing larger amounts.
MoonShadow
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1666



View Profile
May 23, 2011, 06:42:24 PM
 #4

I don't care if it scares of new people.  This is a forum, it is not Bitcoin itself.  I will not sensor civilly expressed personal opinions, personally.  That would violate my own principles.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
AntiVigilante
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 98



View Profile
May 23, 2011, 06:42:58 PM
 #5

I am seeing a lot of users beginning to complain about nihilist-fringe individuals getting their voices heard in the frequent political discussions that occur on the forum, which should be expected. Bitcoin is a huge political statement unto itself. However, we should not stand-by and let only the status-quo be heard in discussions. For every status-quo, humble opinion there should be an opposing view. This allows us to escape from the groupthink that has plagued so many other communities.

So, here's my position: let the politics occur. Let all voices be heard. Let people be offended because if not this forum will regress to anything but a rigorous and quality conversation.

Thank you.

My experience with Anonymous over 3.5 months is that the bitchiest Beavises get things done.

So, +9000. Ultimately the most eloquent argument is still just a wankspew on the Internet. Sometimes the moment before an epiphany is when people are at their worst. Let the process work.

Proposal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=11541.msg162881#msg162881
Inception: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/296
Goal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=12536.0
Means: Code, donations, and brutal criticism. I've got a thick skin. 1Gc3xCHAzwvTDnyMW3evBBr5qNRDN3DRpq
theymos
Administrator
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 2492


View Profile
May 23, 2011, 06:54:04 PM
 #6

There will be no censorship of these ideas.

If someone responds to a topic with a comment consisting of something like, "This should not be allowed on the forum," their post is off-topic and should be deleted. Report it. (Note that this would be OK as part of an on-topic post, though.)

1NXYoJ5xU91Jp83XfVMHwwTUyZFK64BoAD
shady financier
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 84


etcetera


View Profile
May 23, 2011, 06:56:40 PM
 #7

I am seeing a lot of users beginning to complain about nihilist-fringe individuals getting their voices heard in the frequent political discussions that occur on the forum, which should be expected. Bitcoin is a huge political statement unto itself. However, we should not stand-by and let only the status-quo be heard in discussions. For every status-quo, humble opinion there should be an opposing view. This allows us to escape from the groupthink that has plagued so many other communities.

So, here's my position: let the politics occur. Let all voices be heard. Let people be offended because if not this forum will regress to anything but a rigorous and quality conversation.

Thank you.

The fringers voices are doomed to decline. As bitcoin becomes more popular, more and more people that don't have a pathological hatred of government will start to trickle in. Fringers will find themselves increasingly alienated and marginalized in the face of an inevitable onslaught of 'norms'.

Eventually, bitter and disillusioned, the fringers will slink off to Free Republic or john-galt.com or wherever it is they find like-minded others, taking their copies of Atlas Shrugged and their Mises articles and their thousands and thousands of bitcoins with them.

Hey, thousands and thousands of bitcoins is worth something, so it's not a completely crappy deal.Wink

The future belongs to the norms guys. Tax-loving law-embracing norms, because bitcoin will enter the realm of the mainstream.

1G8AUgSTAw8hfatNnDHuYEqBAUzC3qvAAL

Bitcoin news: http://thebitcoinsun.com/

Rapidlybuybitcoin here.

The value of goods, expressed in money, is called “price”, while the value of money, expressed in goods, is called “value”. C. Quigley
kiba
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 980


View Profile
May 23, 2011, 07:14:36 PM
 #8

The fringers voices are doomed to decline. As bitcoin becomes more popular, more and more people that don't have a pathological hatred of government will start to trickle in. Fringers will find themselves increasingly alienated and marginalized in the face of an inevitable onslaught of 'norms'.

Eventually, bitter and disillusioned, the fringers will slink off to Free Republic or john-galt.com or wherever it is they find like-minded others, taking their copies of Atlas Shrugged and their Mises articles and their thousands and thousands of bitcoins with them.

Hey, thousands and thousands of bitcoins is worth something, so it's not a completely crappy deal.Wink

The future belongs to the norms guys. Tax-loving law-embracing norms, because bitcoin will enter the realm of the mainstream.

Don't care about norms and not-norms. I have enough of being a disillusioned and bitter do-nothinger. Bitcoin make me a bitter and disillusioned doer.

Now I run a magazine that manages to employ people, some for quite a while.

Anonymous
Guest

May 23, 2011, 07:32:31 PM
 #9

I am seeing a lot of users beginning to complain about nihilist-fringe individuals getting their voices heard in the frequent political discussions that occur on the forum, which should be expected. Bitcoin is a huge political statement unto itself. However, we should not stand-by and let only the status-quo be heard in discussions. For every status-quo, humble opinion there should be an opposing view. This allows us to escape from the groupthink that has plagued so many other communities.

So, here's my position: let the politics occur. Let all voices be heard. Let people be offended because if not this forum will regress to anything but a rigorous and quality conversation.

Thank you.

The future belongs to the norms guys. Tax-loving law-embracing norms, because bitcoin will enter the realm of the mainstream.
Only time will tell and the moment Bitcoin is embraced by the mainstream, the increasing entropy will only cause liberty to flourish.
AntiVigilante
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 98



View Profile
May 23, 2011, 07:38:37 PM
 #10

The fringers voices are doomed to decline.

Yipee. Your point is?

Quote
As bitcoin becomes more popular, more and more people that don't have a pathological hatred of government will start to trickle in.

Pathological. You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

It means tending towards or being self-destructive.

1. You're confusing responsible governance with bloated government, particularly because you're too comfortable to differentiate the two.
2. You ignore the criminal governers and suffering governed, which is why you use the word pathological carelessly.
3. Drug war.
4. FCC.
5. WTO.
6. Civilian Inmate Labor Program.
7. War on terriblism.
8. FDA.
9. United Homeless Organization.
10. TSA.

You can google the rest.

Quote
Fringers will find themselves increasingly alienated and marginalized in the face of an inevitable onslaught of 'norms'.

You must have been in a cave the last ten years.

Quote
Eventually, bitter and disillusioned

We're not the ones on the couch editorializing arrogant prognoses against fellow human beings. Bitterness and disillusionment is a separation from activity and validation in the real world. We code, we sell, and we build these services that you can't even be bothered to imagine. We get our validation from actual trial and error with a little bit of talent and skill. We're well grounded. You're the one riding the bus, not driving it. When the bus stalls, we'll know what to do. You'll be pulling your hair out. Bitter and disillusioned is in your future, not ours.

Quote
the fringers will slink off to Free Republic or john-galt.com

Bitter? Us? Read that again.

Quote
or wherever it is they find like-minded others

There's this place called the Internet, tough guy.

Quote
taking their copies of Atlas Shrugged and their Mises articles and their thousands and thousands of bitcoins with them.

I'm not mining. I'm getting paid to code. In BTC, after which I buy diapers.

Quote
Hey, thousands and thousands of bitcoins is worth something, so it's not a completely crappy deal.Wink

You're welcome.

Quote
The future belongs to the norms guys. Tax-loving law-embracing norms, because bitcoin will enter the realm of the mainstream.

Where Quantitatively Easing Antelopes roam.

Proposal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=11541.msg162881#msg162881
Inception: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/296
Goal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=12536.0
Means: Code, donations, and brutal criticism. I've got a thick skin. 1Gc3xCHAzwvTDnyMW3evBBr5qNRDN3DRpq
goatpig
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1330

Armory Developer


View Profile
May 23, 2011, 07:40:46 PM
 #11

Don't care about norms and not-norms. I have enough of being a disillusioned and bitter do-nothinger. Bitcoin make me a bitter and disillusioned doer.

Now I run a magazine that manages to employ people, some for quite a while.

And prints comics about the holy Bitcoin bubble, mother of all bubbles.

There's a pattern I've witnessed in here. Goes like this: Someone comes in here writing a caustic critic on Bitcoin. Whether the critic is well written or not, it often more than not delve into political implications. People argue against the political statement, critic and his defenders stray from the political point to spill into some heartfelt tear shedding emotional rant about anarchists being at the crossing point between stupidity, youth, irrationality (oh the irony) and whatever else they care to mix in. From there on, shit goes monkey ass.

I think if it wasn't for nursing ill thoughts towards the government and the way things are run, this project wouldn't have been born. If there is motivation in frustration, I think that everyone from the developers themselves to the first day adopters have joined at least partially because of that frustration and the need to break away from this enforced nonsense. In sum, I'm describing everyone who is somehow responsible for the state in which Bitcoin is now.

As such, I think this difference should be clearly expressed and nurtured in here. There is no need to register here to use Bitcoins. The mining and technical forums are devoid of politics. The loon fest and flame wars are limited to the general, economic and off topic forums. I say, let them be!

btcarmory.com
JohnDoe
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 392



View Profile
May 24, 2011, 05:02:06 AM
 #12

The fringers voices are doomed to decline. As bitcoin becomes more popular, more and more people that don't have a pathological hatred of government will start to trickle in. Fringers will find themselves increasingly alienated and marginalized in the face of an inevitable onslaught of 'norms'.

Eventually, bitter and disillusioned, the fringers will slink off to Free Republic or john-galt.com or wherever it is they find like-minded others, taking their copies of Atlas Shrugged and their Mises articles and their thousands and thousands of bitcoins with them.

Hey, thousands and thousands of bitcoins is worth something, so it's not a completely crappy deal.Wink

The future belongs to the norms guys. Tax-loving law-embracing norms, because bitcoin will enter the realm of the mainstream.

Lol, you read my mind almost word for word. All these recent calls for censorship for the sake of PR and branding have left a bad taste in my mouth so today I loaded up on cyberpunk books to replace the time I usually spent reading and posting here.
AntiVigilante
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 98



View Profile
May 24, 2011, 06:07:14 AM
 #13

The fringers voices are doomed to decline. As bitcoin becomes more popular, more and more people that don't have a pathological hatred of government will start to trickle in. Fringers will find themselves increasingly alienated and marginalized in the face of an inevitable onslaught of 'norms'.

Eventually, bitter and disillusioned, the fringers will slink off to Free Republic or john-galt.com or wherever it is they find like-minded others, taking their copies of Atlas Shrugged and their Mises articles and their thousands and thousands of bitcoins with them.

Hey, thousands and thousands of bitcoins is worth something, so it's not a completely crappy deal.Wink

The future belongs to the norms guys. Tax-loving law-embracing norms, because bitcoin will enter the realm of the mainstream.

Lol, you read my mind almost word for word. All these recent calls for censorship for the sake of PR and branding have left a bad taste in my mouth so today I loaded up on cyberpunk books to replace the time I usually spent reading and posting here.

Careful he'll take that as an endorsement of his intent.

Proposal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=11541.msg162881#msg162881
Inception: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/296
Goal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=12536.0
Means: Code, donations, and brutal criticism. I've got a thick skin. 1Gc3xCHAzwvTDnyMW3evBBr5qNRDN3DRpq
sortedmush
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 126


The geek shall inherit the earth.


View Profile
May 24, 2011, 06:30:25 AM
 #14

fRiNgErS!
Another word for lumping things you don't understand into a neat derogatory sounding category.

Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!