Net neutrality just went through, opinions?

[Wilikon]

you seem to be a bad person, jaysabi, I hope I will be proved wrong. 

Please. I want to say I do not believe he/she/they is a bad person. People just having different opinions on a subject. It is a waste of energy and health to be mad at someone on a online forum when you have a life.

I find liberals (defined as US liberals, not UK liberals, different animals) funny... Until they eventually morph into socialist murderers, like in venezuela for examples...

 

[Wilikon]

you seem to be a bad person, jaysabi, I hope I will be proved wrong. 

Well, I think your opinion is jaded by the interaction we just had. From my perspective, calling for the deaths of people you don't like makes you a bad person. I find it hard to hold back from someone who actively calls for the "genocide" of any group of people, for any reason whatsoever. Violence is not an acceptable way to deal with people who have a different political opinion than you. I think if you were to read my posts enough, you would realize my reaction was in response to an unacceptable solution (genocide) to a political problem, and nothing more. People who advocate for violence are extremists, and extremist sentiments should be challenged always.

Yep. I agree with you... Especially on bitcointalk, with so many bright minds....

 

[Wilikon]

^Assuming I'm following you is exactly the type of delusions of grandeur I'd expect you to suffer from.

Soros pushing millions? Google making changes to the text at the last minute? I understand how sweet it is. Sweet to blindly trust them both. It is not as if Soros almost killed the whole UK pension system and made his billions in the 80s. Snowden told us to trust those entities... I believe he said to trust. Yep. He did.

The invention of Bitcoin and its timing could not be any better.


I want to know mtore about my type of delusion of grandeur I am suffering

I thought it was self-explanatory, but apparently not, so I'll explain it to you as you requested. Assuming I'm following you around on the forum is assigning you a level of importance that you don't deserve. Since it's a self-appointed significance, the delusion of your own grandeur is evident in a statement that anyone would take the time to actively follow you on this forum.

But how do you know I do not deserve such a level of importance? I do not believe in casts. Everyone is important. The homeless dude reminds you everyday how lucky you are to have food, a roof above your head and a lovely family. Just to be able to type this to how you 'see' me and life in general may not be much, but I still see it as a blessing. A simple blessing in life perhaps, that so many of us wish they could still have, or never had. We do take a lot of things for granted, until we lose everything. I will make sure to be careful the next time I make an insensitive, not funny, totally misplaced remark when replying to you. Some people are slightly more important than others. Especially on internet forum. I need to remind myself of that fact 

I still believe soros and his $200 millions he used to push his lobbyists for that net neutrality will have more direct impact on all of us than my posts on this forum though. Any thoughts on him and his millions pushing for a freer internet?

[BitMos]

you seem to be a bad person, jaysabi, I hope I will be proved wrong.  

Well, I think your opinion is jaded by the interaction we just had. From my perspective, calling for the deaths of people you don't like makes you a bad person. I find it hard to hold back from someone who actively calls for the "genocide" of any group of people, for any reason whatsoever. Violence is not an acceptable way to deal with people who have a different political opinion than you. I think if you were to read my posts enough, you would realize my reaction was in response to an unacceptable solution (genocide) to a political problem, and nothing more. People who advocate for violence are extremists, and extremist sentiments should be challenged always.

son of bitches that corrupt the dna of the food supply are extremists. there is no way to stop a rapist but to kill him. gmoers are raping the earth food supply. they die. and if you are with them (money etc...) you go with them... ahaha. olo.

furthermore WHO the fuck you pretend to be to tell me what is an acceptable solution and what isn't ? Are you out of your mind? you are insane.

[Snail2]

That's easy. If Soros and the left/lib side like it then it's most likely bad for the rest of mankind .

[Wilikon]

That's easy. If Soros and the left/lib side like it then it's most likely bad for the rest of mankind .

If this guy is happy then it is totally bad news for the rest of mankind... 


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[ajareselde]

So the FCC just passed the net neutrality bill. What is your opinion?

I believe its wrong to say that its important for the average user, i for one dont see anything good comming from this, since the affect from broadband companys trying to limit certain traffic isnt realy shown.
Like we heard often, the devil is in the details, so my question is, if the companies had a chance to interfere with traffic, who will have that power now?
Theres zero chance that this ruling is not going to be exploited.

cheers

[BitMos]

So who read the 332 pages?

http://www.infowars.com/congress-stands-up-to-fcc-power-grab-with-bill/

House Representative Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) has introduced a bill to block the FCC from imposing its 332-page “Net Neutrality” Internet takeover plan, which has still not been released to the public over a week after its adoption.

The bill, entitled the Internet Freedom Act (H.R.1212), would not only stop the FCC from “reclassifying broadband Internet access service as a telecommunications service and from imposing certain regulations on providers of such service,” but would also prevent the agency from imposing similar rules unless authorized by Congress.

“Last week’s vote by the FCC to regulate the Internet like a 1930s era public utility is further proof that the Obama administration will stop at nothing in their efforts to control the Internet,” Blackburn said in a press release. “There is nothing ‘free and open’ about this heavy-handed approach.”

“These overreaching rules will stifle innovation, restrict freedoms, and lead to billions of dollars in new fees and taxes for American consumers.”

true the fcc is trying to do the same as the federal reserve,... why isn't the congress, ie the legal body of the usa doing that kind of job? I mean the FDA gaves round up and gmos, the federal reserve exploitation... what will the fcc do?

EX101 ready to laugh on the floor? okay a group of people decided to take away the favorite toys of the kids of the nsa, aka internet... Would you that to those kids? I bet not, but some did, they will pay... (don't fuck with the legions).

[Beliathon]

So the FCC just passed the net neutrality bill. What is your opinion?

The only ones voting no here should be corporations.

[KaChingCoinDev]

So the FCC just passed the net neutrality bill. What is your opinion?

The only ones voting no here should be corporations.

No, it should be people who are against one entity have so much power.

[BitMos]

So the FCC just passed the net neutrality bill. What is your opinion?

The only ones voting no here should be corporations.

No, it should be people who are against one entity have so much power.

they only know how to build pyramids, they want to be at the top of it. that's it. that's their "knowledge". The cats know.

[iamback]

USA votes to tax and steal the internet (but they thought they were voting "for the Internet" dumb ass sheeople).

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/25/technology/path-clears-for-net-neutrality-ahead-of-fcc-vote.html

Decadence. USA to kill the goose that laid its golden eggs. High tech will run from the USA.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/02/26/nsa-destroying-american-technology/

NSA Destroying American Technology

American technology companies are losing business on a major scale. The NSA will be responsible for wiping out the United States as a leader in computer science all because they have to listen to the entire world like an old woman addicted to soap operas. I find myself totally shocked at Microsoft. I purchased the latest office at a store. You then have to go online to download the program. They REQUIRE you to have a Microsoft Account. The worse part of this was they demanded I enter a credit card to PROVE who I was acknowledging it would not be used since I already paid for it. I simply refused. They will not refund your money so this is the latest consumer fraud. It is not disclosed that you must PROVE who you are now to use their software. This has gone way too far. There are alternatives out there for word like LibreOffice, and Gnumeric is a better spreadsheet than excel for it can open files excel cannot. There are alternatives to Powerpoint and of course there are alternatives to Outlook such as Thunderbird.

The question is WHY should I have to PROVE who I am to Microsoft to use a product I already paid for? Something just smells funny so the only choice was to walk away and they stole my money for nothing. There are plenty of alternatives and Microsoft just lost all our business.

Now China has dropped most of the leading technology brands of the USA  all because of the NSA and who can blame them? Widespread Western cybersurveillance has just gone too far. I would now rather use any product from someplace else or write my own. US technology has commited suicide for China will be the biggest economy where all the economic growth will be in the years ahead.

This has impacted U.S. network equipment maker Cisco Systems Inc, which in 2012 counted 60 products on the Central Government Procurement Center’s (CGPC) list, but by late 2014 had ZERO according to Reuters. Apple, Intel, McAfee and Citrx have all been dropped. China is shifting to internal alternatives.

The NSA is wiping out the US economy rapidly and Congress, occupied with lawyers, can only argue to uphold laws they write without any comprehension of the consequences. This is all part of the economic decline we see after 2015.75.

[iamback]

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/12/26/224-collapsing-wave-structure-point-to-breakup-of-usa/

This Collapsing Wave structure that the United States appears to be in means it is a one-time-wonder and that the United States will break-up and the there will be no more “united” union. This is becoming self-evidence in the polarization of politics with tremendous differences in culture on a regional basis. The Obamacare is just one aspect revealing the undercurrent whereby one segment of society believes it has a right to force their views upon another group. So unfortunately, the USA does not appear to be destined to remain intact otherwise we would have seen and overall structured wave of 224 years. We seem to be in the Collapsing Wave with the 224 years was from birth to peak with an overall duration of 309.6 years at best. This appears to be like the Collapsing Wave in Imperial Rome itself whereas from the assassination of Julius Caesar in 44BC to the peak in the glory of Rome and population in the city took place under Marcus Aurelius that was 224 years later in 180AD. The decline that followed brought total chaos, sovereign debt crisis, massive government seizure of capital, fragmentation of the Empire, and in the end, Rome was no longer the Capitol and that became Constantinople followed by the split of East and West. We are much more akin to the this type of Collapsing Wave formation whereby society collapses and breaks apart.

So what happened in April 2013, which is the peak of the USA in its current political structure as a constitutional Republic of 50 States?

Are you ready?     

http://nucleardiner.com/2013/06/12/edward-snowden-timeline/

Poitras convinces Greenwald to listen to Snowden. Snowden joins Booz Allen Hamilton on work for NSA [link added 2].  [2] Reuters says this was in April, with training sessions for “a week or two” at Fort Meade, Maryland.

Late March or early April, 2013: Greenwald begins communicating directly with Snowden.

April 2013: Snowden is assigned to an NSA facility in Hawaii.  [2]

May 1, 2013: Snowden leaves his house in Hawaii, “shortly before Snowden became known globally for his whistleblowing”: Gives interview to Der Spiegel via encrypted e-mails with Laura Poitras and Jacob Applebaum.  [7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#NSA_contractor

Snowden then contacted documentary filmmaker Laura Poitras in January 2013.

Greenwald began working with Snowden in either February or April 2013, after Poitras asked Greenwald to meet her in New York City, at which point Snowden began providing documents to them.

http://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2013/07/us-russia-and-world-timeline-for-edward-snowden.html

March 31, 2013

Edward Snowden begins work as an infrastructure analyst of the NSA with Booz, Allen Hamilton. He takes a week or longer business trip to unknown location (Maui? to meet Appelbaum and other hackers gathered for the Spring Break of Coders in Hawaii?).

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/27034-citizenfour-inside-story-of-nsa-leaker-edward-snowden-captured-in-new-film-by-laura-poitras#

LAURA POITRAS: Yeah, I mean, I was actually very shocked. I was contacted in January, and we had email correspondence for a long time. And for all of—for the first three months, I assumed he would remain an anonymous source. He wouldn’t tell me any details about his—you know, where he worked or where he lived. And I thought that I was talking to somebody, at some point I’d receive documents, and then, you know, he would disappear and I would never know who the person was. And then, in April, he revealed to me—he said, "You know, you should know that I actually intend to come forward and say that I’m the source of this information," and that he didn’t want to hide, and he didn’t want others to take responsibility and that he didn’t—if there was a leak investigation, etc.

http://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2013/07/idiot-wind.html

SNOWDEN AND APPELBAUM IN HAWAII

Naturally, since Jacob Appelbaum went to Hawaii in April 2012 and again in April 2013 to celebrate his birthday, right when Edward Snowden was also there, we're all wondering. LibertyLynx broke this story from a reliable source who had noticed the "alibi video" Jake desperately made in Berlin trying to explain the reason for something he feared NSA analysts might have noticed -- that he was in Hawaii in April 2013 when Snowden was also there (and I could add - in April 2012 when Snowden was already there, too).

And it's important to know (because some newspapers are muddled on this and Pincus tripped on this and then Greenwald whacked him) that Snowden goes back to March 2012 in Hawaii. Talking Points Memo fetched that out of his girlfriend's blog -- and I saw her blog before she deleted it and it was definitely there as a timeline she described (and you can still find her blog in the Wayback Machine).

Snowden first came to Hawaii to work for Dell. Then he left Dell to go to Booz Allen Hamilton where he worked less than three months as BAH tells us in a terse statement on their web site after these events.

The Times is the only source I've seen (correct me if I'm wrong) that posits a segue between Dell and BAH where his hacking for the ultimate great revelation starts at Dell, and gives him reason then to move to BAH.

In what may have been his last job for Dell in Hawaii, he was responsible for the security of “Windows infrastructure” in the Pacific, he wrote, according to people who have seen his résumé. He had enough access there to start making contacts with journalists in January and February about disclosing delicate information. His work for Dell may also have enabled him to see that he would have even more access at Booz Allen

Somewhere in the numerous Appelbaum videos online, somebody might someday find some "windows infrastructure" help-desking (naturally Appelbaum loathes Windows) or some clue that will tie them together more intimately in Hawaii. For now, it's only same state, same time, but we don't know if Jake passed through Honolulu to talk to his future WikiLeaks protege Ed in April 2012 or April 2013.

Of course, the essence of hackers is to be online and be anonymous and "exist in cyberspace". But for virtual worlders, they do in fact spend a lot of time in meet-ups and conferences and hackathons and teach-ins and whatnot, and that's what has to be studied. December 2012 at 29c3 (the Chaos Communications Club conference) is when Appelbaum openly recruited government programmers to "leave the dark side" and come join his chaos club...

From Snowden's girlfriend's now-deleted blog, we also have an indication that Edward flew somewhere in March 2013 for a week or so "on business". To Maui, 100 miles away, to see Jacob Appelbaum and other hackers at the Spring Break of Code? An even that Appelbaum first described as a birthday gift for a vacation that he spent with 20 of his friends, but is described by other people at the Spring Break of Code as an event they organized in January to encourage young coders intereset in privacy encryption. If they are separate events, they intersect, but maybe they aren't. Snowden may have also flown to the mainland, possibly for BHA training at this time -- this is March-April 2013 before he fled Hawaii to Hong Kong.

http://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2013/07/us-russia-and-world-timeline-for-edward-snowden.html

The partial time-line that Joshua Foust has produced on the Snowden affair is incomplete and misleading. And he has published it without giving any of bloggers credit (including myself) who found various key parts of this time-line, i.e. LibertyLynx who revealed Jacob Appelbaum's June 25 speech containing his admission of travel to Hawaii in April 2013 at the same time Snowden was there; Streetwise Professor who put it into further context; and my further round-up of Appelbaum's data trail and my long-time analysis of his antics.

http://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2013/07/jacob-appelbaums-data-trail.html

Jacob Appelbaum's Data Trail

As noted, LibertyLynx received a link to a video of Jacob Appelbaum speaking in Germany at Digitale Gesellschaft on June 25, 2013 in which he admits that he was in Hawaii in April 2013 -- which as we know was the same time Edward Snowden was -- and then goes on to paint a picture of this as some kind of fantastic coincidence, i.e. that he hasn't now been caught out in a lie claiming he hadn't heard of Snowden before he was contacted by him in May over encrypted email with Laura Poitras' help.

Naturally, I don't believe him, for all sorts of reasons. One, because in my first encounters with him, I found him to be such a liar and such a thug, whistling for Anonymous to harass me because I kept calling out the propagandistic lies of WikiLeaks in the "Collateral Murder" video. Appelbaum, like so many WikiLeaks propagandists on day-old accounts on Twitter assigned to heckle bloggers, claimed falsely that American soldiers deliberately shot the children in the van in Iraq. I continued to challenge this as false, as they couldn't possibly see that the van had children in it, and there was absolutely nothing to support this narrative, which was concocted.

Then when I saw Appelbaum's other performances, either in person or on videos on Youtube, I saw what a fabulist and paranoic racconteur he was, and I really was skeptical.

On this story, he makes it sound as if the trip to Hawaii -- paid for by friends unknown -- was some kind of "dream come true" as if it were the fulfillment of a long-held wish.

But he was in Hawaii the year before doing the same thing, so it sounds odd to speak of the second (or next) trip as being this long-awaited wish fulfillment.

[Rishblitz]

Its just sopa and all that other bullshit but wrapped up so tight that none of us could stop it before it passed. Hell Pelosi said while on camera that for us to read it we have to pass it first. that should of been a huge warning sign for anyone.

[kenbytes]

Basically. If a website like Netflix wanted their website to load at a decent speed or be available at all they would potentially have to pay the ISP's to let their websites work through that ISP's services. Because of this vote, that is illegal now.

[BitMos]

Basically. If a website like Netflix wanted their website to load at a decent speed or be available at all they would potentially have to pay the ISP's to let their websites work through that ISP's services. Because of this vote, that is illegal now.

in 332 pages? someone didn't learn about compression, or you are trying to lye to me elegantly. one must be right, the consequences and roots are different as worthy of "round up", if I may use this "green" elusion.

[usairx]

This doesn't seem to be very transparent. Future legislation could give them censorship powers

[freedomno1]

Need more data but my preliminary opinion is that it is ok (Need to determine what is in the 300 pages lol)

Everyone on the same infrastructure without PRIORITY means that Internet providers can't go bullshitting and slowing down the speed of internet cables, resulting in faster internet speeds overall for everyone.
Besides they already have enough power determining bandwidth and price even MB/KBP speed upload download ratios choosingbetween different content provider streams is unneeded.

Edit In:

Well seeing who is sponsoring the new bill cough all the PACs (Political Action Groups)
I can say this is a good thing after all lol

In the latest election cycle, Blackburn received $25,000 from an AT&T political action committee (PAC), $20,000 from a Comcast PAC, $20,000 from a cable industry association PAC, and $15,000 from a Verizon PAC, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/03/republicans-internet-freedom-act-would-wipe-out-net-neutrality/

Hmm
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/06/netflix_net_neutrality_only_joking/
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2015/3/5/technology/netflix-takes-it-chin-net-neutrality

[TheButterZone]

http://www.wired.com/2015/03/opinion-bitcoin-may-gets-us-real-net-neutrality

[grendel25]

I don't trust the FCC because it's ran by former cable company executives.  Excuse me, I should say evil profiteering cable company executives.  I don't trust it for a second.  Net neutrality is needed but I'm skeptical as to how the corrupted government will implement it.