Obama to ban bullets by executive action, threatens top-selling AR-15 rifle

[D05GTO]

Well it worked. About every place is sold out of M855 ammo.   Ones that aren't have it marked up to the sky.  Talk about an awesome salesman.    Now he just needs to say Bitcoin is being banned and everyone will run out and buy it all up.  LOL

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[Wilikon]

ATF Calls Stripping Ban Exemption for AR-15 Green Tip Ammunition a "Publishing Mistake"



Yesterday I exclusively reported that common AR-15 "green tip" ammunition has already been banned in the new 2014 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Regulation Guide, which was published in January. After the story received wide public attention, which you can read in full here,  ATF released a response Friday night at 9:12 p.m. blaming a publishing error for stripping out the "armor piercing" and ban exemption for AR-15 "green tip" ammunition.

On Feb. 13, 2015, ATF released for public comment a proposed framework, including legal and technical analysis, to guide its determination on what ammunition is "primarily intended for sporting purposes" for purposes of granting exemptions to the Gun Control Act’s prohibition on Armor Piecing Ammunition.This proposed framework is posted for public comment only; no final decisions have been made as to its adoption.

Media reports have noted that the 2014 ATF Regulation Guide published online does not contain a listing of the exemptions for Armor Piercing Ammunition, and concluding that the absence of this listing indicates these exemptions have been rescinded.

Please be advised that ATF has not rescinded any Armor Piercing Ammunition exemption, and the fact they are not listed in the 20 14 online edition of the regulations, was an error, which has no legal impact on the validity of the exemptions. The existing exemptions for armor piercing ammunition, which apply to 5.56 mm (.223) SS 109 and M855 projectiles (identified by a green coating on the projectile tip), and the U.S .30-06 M2AP projectile (identified by a black coating on the projectile tip), remain in effect.

The listing of Armor Piercing Ammunition exemptions can be found in the 2005 ATF Regulation Guide on page 166, which is posted here. The 2014 Regulation Guide will be corrected in PDF format to include the listing of Armor Piercing Ammunition exemptions and posted shortly. The e-book/iBook version of the Regulation Guide will be corrected in the near future. ATF apologizes for any confusion caused by this publishing error.


Most importantly, if you're in possession of AR-15 "green tip" ammunition, legally you're good to go in most states and not in possession of "armor piercing" ammunition. Because of the "publishing error" in the 2014 Regulation Guide, ATF has advised FFL's and others to reference the 2005 Regulation Guidebook, where the ammunition is still exempted.

Despite ATF saying there's "nothing to analyze here folks," this simple "publishing mistake" deserves scrutiny. Considering the Office of Management and Budget must approve new Regulation Guides, which come out approximately every 10 years, are difficult to change and take months to review, that's quite the "publishing mistake." As ATF references, the exemption for AR-15 "green tip" ammunition is in the 2005 ATF Regulation Guide. For this "publishing mistake" to occur, someone would have had to delete an entire section from the guide, which just happens to be the section about ammunition the Obama administration is currently trying to ban.


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Somehow this "publishing mistake" looks a lot like "deleting" ammunition ATF is trying to ban without the consent of Congress or a proper public comment period as required by law. Also, keep in mind what ATF Director B. Todd Jones says about the 2014 Regulation Guide, that it "contains new and amended statutes enacted since publication of the 2005 edition, as well as updated regulations and rulings issued by ATF." Was this a "publishing mistake," or an updated regulation or ruling issued by ATF to quietly and unilaterally ban AR-15 "green tip" ammunition? It certainly looks like the latter.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/07/atf-calls-stripping-exemption-for-ar15-green-tip-ammo-a-publishing-mistake-n1967168



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Hmmm...

 

[prodigy8]

"No one wants to take your guns" until they do.

[TheButterZone]

Totalitarians always want to take their victims' guns, and always love having their minions lie about it.

[Spendulus]

Totalitarians always want to take their victims' guns, and always love having their minions lie about it.

Well you know, if conditions didn't improve after banning some of that bad ammo, the only logical and right thing to do would be to classify some more ammo as "bad ammo", then run around talking about how it had to be banned also.


(according to Perverted Authoritarian Liberal Controllers, of course).

Actually maybe there is a 2nd amendment right to "armor piercing rounds."

The likely equivalent to rogue Indian terrorists of the American West is Islamic terrorists, and they as likely as not might have bulletproof vests.

[kuusj98]

Who the frick even needs an AR-15? To kill people?
Come one, 99/100 country's have a ban on weapons and there is no problem at all, and you Americans are crying and yelling if someone touches those damn things, not to mention the shootouts I regularly hear about on the news here in Europe. Get your shit together and throw those things in a melting oven and build some baking forms/school tables/lampposts out of the metal you get. And in the proces, get rid of those redicilous army bases and 100.000 Abraham tanks and 50.000 AH-64 heli's. You can keep the C-130J's though, they are one of my favorite planes...

[TheButterZone]

Who the frick even needs an AR-15? To kill people?

To not have to kill people, because at least 99% of violent criminals have a self-preservation instinct and fear/are deterred by armed victims, and most of the remaining 1% that plead insanity also choose "gun free zones" only for their safety, so they can kill themselves after minutes/hours, instead of being stopped a few seconds after they begin. But anyone intelligent to use a computer knows that.

Come one, 99/100 country's have a ban on weapons and there is no problem at all

"No problem at all" when governments manipulate their violent crime definitions to make stats appear that they don't have higher per capita violent crime than the US cities with the least "gun control" (laws which disarm only law-abiding/sane/sober victims), sure. But anyone intelligent to use a computer knows that, and cannot force me to waste my time copying and pasting the same stats and non-debunked/retracted peer-reviewed research over and over and over and over again, just to get off on watching me waste time correcting their Criminal Safety Advocacy.

the shootouts I regularly hear about on the news here in Europe.

Bread and circuses.

[Snipe85]

Who the frick even needs an AR-15? To kill people?
Come one, 99/100 country's have a ban on weapons and there is no problem at all, and you Americans are crying and yelling if someone touches those damn things, not to mention the shootouts I regularly hear about on the news here in Europe. Get your shit together and throw those things in a melting oven and build some baking forms/school tables/lampposts out of the metal you get. And in the proces, get rid of those redicilous army bases and 100.000 Abraham tanks and 50.000 AH-64 heli's. You can keep the C-130J's though, they are one of my favorite planes...

I hope this is some pathetic attempt at trolling the thread and not your actual opinion.

It's hard to find a gun ban supporter who has something to back his view besides the usual "guns are for killing, bans are needed because people are stupid and would shoot everyone the moment they'd be allowed to have a gun." I guess we should also ban knives, bows, slingshots and air rifles.

[TheButterZone]

Ironic how 100% of gun ban by any other name (aka "gun control" aka infringement) supporters fall into at least one of these categories: 1) hypocritically own gun(s) 2) have at least one gun-carrying bodyguard 3) have committed violent felonies 4) say they would commit violent felonies if their victims were disarmed for their safety 5) say they want to murder (or murder by government proxy) all law-abiding, mentally sound gun owners 6) pretend they don't know the history they want to repeat results in tens, hundreds of millions dumped into mass graves.

#NotOneMore democide.

[Wilikon]

ATF shelves bullet ban proposal



The Obama administration is pulling back a controversial proposal to ban a form of armor-piercing ammunition commonly used in AR-15 hunting rifles.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) said it will not seek to issue a final framework for the rule “at this time” after receiving more than 80,000 comments on the proposal, the “vast majority” of which were negative.

"You spoke, we listened," the ATF tweeted.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) and other gun-rights groups assailed the proposal, and were joined by Republicans in demanding that it be withdrawn.

Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said he is "pleased that the Obama administration has abandoned its attack on the Second Amendment."

"It is entirely inappropriate for President Obama to stretch his regulatory authority to implement partisan policies that Congress has refused to enact. Such an abuse of power would impact many law-abiding gun owners and restrict the American people’s ability to legally and responsibly exercise their Second Amendment rights," Goodlatte said in a statement.

Gun advocates feared the proposal would open the floodgates to new ammunition bans, with far-reaching implications for gun owners.

While the bullets under consideration have traditionally been used by hunters and sportsmen in AR-15 rifles, the ATF had argued the ammunition can now be used in certain handguns, giving criminals easier access.

Senate Republicans on Tuesday had ramped up the pressure on the ATF to scrap the plan, arguing in a letter that “Second Amendment rights require not only access to firearms, but to bullets.”

“If law-abiding gun owners cannot obtain rifle ammunition, or face substantial difficulty in finding ammunition available and at reasonable prices because government entities are banning such ammunition, then the Second Amendment is at risk,” wrote 53 Senate Republicans.

Last week, hundreds of House Republicans sent a similar letter to the agency demanding it “abandon” the rule.

“Under no circumstances should ATF adopt a standard that will ban ammunition that is overwhelmingly used by law-abiding Americans for legitimate purposes,” the House lawmakers wrote.


http://thehill.com/regulation/pending-regs/235216-atf-shelves-proposed-bullet-ban

[Spendulus]

.....And in the proces, get rid of those redicilous army bases and 100.000 Abraham tanks and 50.000 AH-64 heli's. You can keep the C-130J's though, they are one of my favorite planes...

Yeah, but those tanks are really cool.  You have to take a look inside one sometime.  And the AH-64s I heard can fly loops.  So like, sure the 130s are cool but this other junk is, too.

And the AR-15?  It's a Black Rifle.  Now just think.  You can't say that about an  AK47.

So There!

[Wilikon]

.....And in the proces, get rid of those redicilous army bases and 100.000 Abraham tanks and 50.000 AH-64 heli's. You can keep the C-130J's though, they are one of my favorite planes...

Yeah, but those tanks are really cool.  You have to take a look inside one sometime.  And the AH-64s I heard can fly loops.  So like, sure the 130s are cool but this other junk is, too.

And the AR-15?  It's a Black Rifle.  Now just think.  You can't say that about an  AK47.

So There!

#blackriflelivesmatter

[TheButterZone]

Ban the ATF anyway. Their evil and false pretenses needs to stop.

[Spendulus]

Ban the ATF anyway. Their evil and false pretenses needs to stop.

It's an odd and curious agency, that's for sure.  I mean, if some guys were sitting around designing a country and one said...

"HEY!  I GOT THIS GREAT IDEA!  Let's create an agency that handles ALCOHOL and TOBACCO and FIREARMS!"

...the other guys would think this dude was nuts....

[TheButterZone]

Surprised there isn't a Bureau of Printing Presses, Quartering, and Confession-Torturing, or pick your own human rights to make an agency solely dedicated to infringing them.

[Wilikon]

Ban the ATF anyway. Their evil and false pretenses needs to stop.

Legislation Introduced to Eliminate ATF



Republican Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner has introduced legislation to eliminate the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, a federal law enforcement agency with 5000 employees. If passed, the legislation would dissolve the duties of ATF to the FBI and DEA. From the legislation:

To abolish the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, transfer
its functions relating to the Federal firearms, explosives, and arson laws, violent crime, and domestic terrorism to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and transfer its functions relating to the Federal alcohol and tobacco smuggling laws to the Drug Enforcement Administration, and for other purposes.


“Washington should be responsible stewards of the American taxpayers’ money. While all too often that is not the case, this is a good government bill to streamline agency activity at DOJ—increasing effectiveness while decreasing cost. The ATF is a largely duplicative, scandal ridden agency that lacks a clear mission. It is plagued by backlogs, funding gaps, hiring challenges and a lack of leadership. For decades it has been branded by high profile failures. There is also significant overlap with other agencies. At a time when we are approaching $18 trillion in debt, waste and redundancy within our federal agencies must be addressed. Without a doubt, we can fulfill the role of the ATF more efficiently," Sensenbrenner said in a statement about the ATF Elimination Act.

According to Sensenbrenner there are two main goals for the legislation, "to eliminate and reduce duplicative functions and waste to the maximum extent possible, and to report to Congress with a detailed plan on how the transition will take place."

The legislation comes after years of corruption, Operation Fast and Furious and after a series of ATF stings in Sensenbrenner's home state of Wisconsin where agents took advantage of mentally disabled teenagers by giving them neck tattoos and teaching them how to commit crimes. ATF agents also lost track of a fully-automatic machine gun in Milwaukee after it was stolen from an unattended government vehicle.



http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/09/17/legislation-introduced-to-get-rid-of-atf-n1893092


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The FBI is good enough I say...

The ATF was formerly part of the United States Department of the Treasury, having been formed in 1886 as the "Revenue Laboratory" within the Treasury Department's Bureau of Internal Revenue. The history of ATF can be subsequently traced to the time of the revenuers or "revenoors"[7] and the Bureau of Prohibition, which was formed as a unit of the Bureau of Internal Revenue in 1920. It was made an independent agency within the Treasury Department in 1927, was transferred to the Justice Department in 1930, and became, briefly, a division of the FBI in 1933.

[Spendulus]

Ban the ATF anyway. Their evil and false pretenses needs to stop.

Legislation Introduced to Eliminate ATF



Republican Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner has introduced legislation to eliminate the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, a federal law enforcement agency with 5000 employees. If passed, the legislation would dissolve the duties of ATF to the FBI and DEA. From the legislation:

To abolish the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, transfer
its functions relating to the Federal firearms, explosives, and arson laws, violent crime, and domestic terrorism to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and transfer its functions relating to the Federal alcohol and tobacco smuggling laws to the Drug Enforcement Administration, and for other purposes.


“Washington should be responsible stewards of the American taxpayers’ money. While all too often that is not the case, this is a good government bill to streamline agency activity at DOJ—increasing effectiveness while decreasing cost. The ATF is a largely duplicative, scandal ridden agency that lacks a clear mission. It is plagued by backlogs, funding gaps, hiring challenges and a lack of leadership. For decades it has been branded by high profile failures. There is also significant overlap with other agencies. At a time when we are approaching $18 trillion in debt, waste and redundancy within our federal agencies must be addressed. Without a doubt, we can fulfill the role of the ATF more efficiently," Sensenbrenner said in a statement about the ATF Elimination Act.

According to Sensenbrenner there are two main goals for the legislation, "to eliminate and reduce duplicative functions and waste to the maximum extent possible, and to report to Congress with a detailed plan on how the transition will take place."

The legislation comes after years of corruption, Operation Fast and Furious and after a series of ATF stings in Sensenbrenner's home state of Wisconsin where agents took advantage of mentally disabled teenagers by giving them neck tattoos and teaching them how to commit crimes. ATF agents also lost track of a fully-automatic machine gun in Milwaukee after it was stolen from an unattended government vehicle.



http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/09/17/legislation-introduced-to-get-rid-of-atf-n1893092


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The FBI is good enough I say...

The ATF was formerly part of the United States Department of the Treasury, having been formed in 1886 as the "Revenue Laboratory" within the Treasury Department's Bureau of Internal Revenue. The history of ATF can be subsequently traced to the time of the revenuers or "revenoors"[7] and the Bureau of Prohibition, which was formed as a unit of the Bureau of Internal Revenue in 1920. It was made an independent agency within the Treasury Department in 1927, was transferred to the Justice Department in 1930, and became, briefly, a division of the FBI in 1933.

  The "Right" way to understand the ATF is as a bunch of guys that collect TAXES on alcohol, tobacco and firearms.  Not as law enforcement.  They may have semi-evolved or devolved into a weird sort of law enforcement, but that's not what they should have been. 

They also handle a bunch of stuff having to do with tracking and sales of explosives materials. 

Basically, a bunch of clerks.  So yeah, they could move in under the FBI.  I'd be for just eliminating the federal taxes on alcohol and tobacco, those don't make any sense, at least to me.  States do it too.

[RodeoX]

I thought this was going nowhere. If using executive action to thwart the desires of a few over the many it could be called leadership. But when using it to advance the desires of a few it's best called tyranny.
In America guns are to the left what abortion is to the right. Something that was settled long ago by the public but is still argued by a tiny minority who just can't let it go.

[manselr]

In the future anyone will be able to download a model of a gun and 3D print it, including the bullets. You should watch the documentary.

[Possum577]

If you don't like this you should organize a protest, peaceful of course, but make it known that you're unhappy. Gather as many people as possible and protest as much as you can. A sit in or general "occupy" style movement will help you get the most attention to your concerns. You can also have people contact their congress reps to relay your discontent.