Private war between Rarity, augustocroppo and mlawrence

[Maged]

If someone wishes to get a PI to investigate ZT, that's absolutely ok. However, I cannot allow mlawrence or anyone else who even jokingly threatens violence against ZT to publicly gather funds to "investigate" ZT, unless they are directly giving the payment information for a legitimate PI. Anything short of that could potentially leave the forum liable for any illegal action taken against ZT, since the issue was reported to the moderation team. If it wasn't reported, I could care less what you guys do, as long as you're on-topic in the threads you post in. However, this was reported with significant evidence that the funds might be used to hire a hitman.

[augustocroppo]

If someone wishes to get a PI to investigate ZT, that's absolutely ok. However, I cannot allow mlawrence or anyone else who even jokingly threatens violence against ZT to publicly gather funds to "investigate" ZT, unless they are directly giving the payment information for a legitimate PI. Anything short of that could potentially leave the forum liable for any illegal action taken against ZT, since the issue was reported to the moderation team. If it wasn't reported, I could care less what you guys do, as long as you're on-topic in the threads you post in. However, this was reported with significant evidence that the funds might be used to hire a hitman.

Reported by who?

Which evidence?

[stochastic]

Crocodile Dundee is already on the case.

[LoupGaroux]

Wait a second... are ALL PI's hitmen? Ergo Sum Assassinatus? Was Magnum actually a killer? Damn, another of my childhood heroes shot to hell! This just sucks. It's getting to be so you can't even open up the internet without having your heart broken.

[nedbert9]

Personally, I'm all for the snuffing out of our brightest youngsters.  It makes it easier for the rest of us to get ahead.


edit:  I am a wicked man.

[Vod]

If someone wishes to get a PI to investigate ZT, that's absolutely ok. However, I cannot allow mlawrence or anyone else who even jokingly threatens violence against ZT to publicly gather funds to "investigate" ZT, unless they are directly giving the payment information for a legitimate PI. Anything short of that could potentially leave the forum liable for any illegal action taken against ZT, since the issue was reported to the moderation team. If it wasn't reported, I could care less what you guys do, as long as you're on-topic in the threads you post in. However, this was reported with significant evidence that the funds might be used to hire a hitman.    

We both know no one even jokingly threatened anyone with violence.   And YOU were the first person to ever use the term hitman - right there. But I understand your need to help out someone who generously gave $$ to this forum.  

In any case, I understand the forum's legal obligation on this, so I will set up a separate venue to post information on the case once it is received from the PI.

[LoupGaroux]

I am seriously considering suing the forest from whence came the wood pulp that became the paper upon which I read sad news the other day. Where should I serve my papers?

That's about as ethically competent as the thought that this forum or any other fora, could be liable for any criminal act of any individual posting thereupon.

Just for shits and grins, consider that argument in the reverse... is this forum also legally liable for not removing the information posted about the alleged criminal Zhou Tong, or the alleged criminal acts of the AurumXchange? Is this forum also not in direct violation of AML laws in every country that has the internet, since there is clearly money laundering being discussed here?

Let's turn the dial down from hysterical knee-jerk reaction and get back to just slightly off-kilter again- this is just silly.

[Vod]

This has moved to "Off-Topic" by the mods to let it die.  We have stated our opinions - let's let everyone make up their mind.

You have the power to lock the thread, but regardless I won't be paying anymore attention.

[RoloTonyBrownTown]

However, this was reported with significant evidence that the funds might be used to hire a hitman.

 God this place is ridiculous

Maged's "significant evidence" is obviously just going to be vague assertations from Rarity (who's clearly out of his mind) with no evidence to back it up.  I saw those posts by mlawrence and I certainly didn't take any of them the way that Rarity would have you believe.

Christ, such bullshit.

[IIOII]

Reading all these shiny fairy tales from ZT's paid crooks makes me sick.

Forum operators knowingly accepted potentially stolen funds from a potential scammer.
If evidence is established, that's called money laundering where I live. (So much about "leaving the forum liable".)

mlawrence did absolutely nothing questionable here.

The actions of the moderators (showing ads from potential scammers, defending potential scammers, hiding relevant information, obstructing community action) speak for themselves.

[Matthew N. Wright]

obstructing community action

I'll suppress my lulz until I receive a clarified response from you on this one but...


what legal and sane "action" from the "community" was being "obstructed"?

Please don't tell me you think that not wanting murderous bloodthirsty psychos on the internet to stalk and murder a minor over hearsay is obstruction of justice in any way.

After reading the responses in the first lynch mob thread, it's safe to say that this was an accurate picture and there are -plenty- of reasons why it should not be allowed to escalate without criminal investigations.

[IIOII]

Appears another one of the paid ones has popped up.

If we tried to feed him, a lengthy statement would follow. 

[Matthew N. Wright]

Appears another one of the paid ones has popped up.

If we tried to feed him, a lengthy statement would follow. 

No one pays me to call things as I see them. I take great joy in proving you wrong for absolutely free. 

[BadBear]

Reading all these shiny fairy tales from ZT's paid crooks makes me sick.

Forum operators knowingly accepted potentially stolen funds from a potential scammer.
If evidence is established, that's called money laundering where I live. (So much about "leaving the forum liable".)

mlawrence did absolutely nothing questionable here.

The actions of the moderators (showing ads from potential scammers, defending potential scammers, hiding relevant information, obstructing community action) speak for themselves.

That's a lot of potentials and ifs for a guy you are so adamant is guilty.

[John (John K.)]

This has moved to "Off-Topic" by the mods to let it die.  We have stated our opinions - let's let everyone make up their mind.

You have the power to lock the thread, but regardless I won't be paying anymore attention.

I'm 'the mod' who moved this to 'Off-Topic', supposedly to let it die. And no, I didn't get a single bitcent from Intersango, Zhou Tong or any party in this debate.

See this? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97141.0) I don't give a fuck about Chaang Noi being a VIP or Matthew being another staff - what is off-topic goes to the off-topic section in my books. And no, us mods do not get a single bitcent from being a mod - we're just volunteers that help to unclog everything in this forum.

There, I said it.

[LoupGaroux]

Okay, so the Mods and the Admins are really nothing more than the great unwashed hoi polloi like the rest of us but they get shiny user titles. The board is funded, in part, by those donations, so you are volunteers laboring for a system that is, in part, funded by questionable source. Personally I don't take issue with any of you, even when I have been rightly or wrongly disciplined, its the nature of a beast like this forum. But, please don't ask any body to believe that there is not a wider sense of tolerance for significant donators.

[Matthew N. Wright]

But, please don't ask any body to believe that there is not a wider sense of tolerance for significant donators.

Uhh, isn't Chaang a donator? VIP even? Please don't make me prove you wrong.

*pulls a list of donators he has verbally raped*

[rjk]

Okay, so the Mods and the Admins are really nothing more than the great unwashed hoi polloi like the rest of us but they get shiny user titles. The board is funded, in part, by those donations, so you are volunteers laboring for a system that is, in part, funded by questionable source. Personally I don't take issue with any of you, even when I have been rightly or wrongly disciplined, its the nature of a beast like this forum. But, please don't ask any body to believe that there is not a wider sense of tolerance for significant donators.

Uhh, isn't Chaang a donator? VIP even? Please don't make me prove you wrong.

*pulls a list of donators he has verbally raped*

Here, I'll help you out: https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html <-- a complete list of donators and VIPs

[Matthew N. Wright]

Okay, so the Mods and the Admins are really nothing more than the great unwashed hoi polloi like the rest of us but they get shiny user titles. The board is funded, in part, by those donations, so you are volunteers laboring for a system that is, in part, funded by questionable source. Personally I don't take issue with any of you, even when I have been rightly or wrongly disciplined, its the nature of a beast like this forum. But, please don't ask any body to believe that there is not a wider sense of tolerance for significant donators.

Uhh, isn't Chaang a donator? VIP even? Please don't make me prove you wrong.

*pulls a list of donators he has verbally raped*

Here, I'll help you out: https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html <-- a complete list of donators and VIPs

Thanks!

Let's go through the list:

casascius - called him a loser, said he was ruining bitcoin for making Casascius coins and taking away from their validity of bitcoin (and confusing newbies) and for making a POS that I think will never be used ever.

zhoutong - I've told him he's an asshole for fighting with Ken and throwing a tantrum where he posted a thread here about how Cryptoxchange was lying about their stats without even talking to Ken about it first, proved him wrong, then he retracted it like a child and didn't even apologize correctly.

Goat - I've told him he's an annoying prick after he wasted my time, confused everything in his order, acted like a 60 year old grandma who's never used a computer before, made veiled threats and strutted his bruised ego around like a moron.

Blitzboom - I've argued with him in depth about bitcoinica and whether it is good or not and shared quite a few insults with him

shakaru - I've called him a fucktard and gotten in many arguments on the forum about him and his personal lack of business skills, to which he replied "You're a running joke" and referred to me as hitler in some context.

DeathAndTaxes - This stupid mother fucker used to be cool in my eyes, but then flipped the bitch switch on for no apparent reason. I'll give him a chance to change his mind later, but I'm pretty sure he's one of those "old man" style cocksuckers that isn't worth having on your side.

Boss - This is Atlas. Please dont' make me talk about that faggot as the conversation will result in reasons for why his mom should have aborted him.

aurumxchange - This is Roberto, who thinks through intimidation that he can cover up his mistakes (which he's learning doesn't work). We have yet to end our little squabble because he's avoiding all the right questions.

bccasino - Basically running an illegal website with a history of defrauding users and although I haven't -fought with him- at all, we've had a run in on this very issue that I was vocal about regardless of his "status".



Unfortunately that's about all I can remember for now.

I'd like to say that -most- of these little hissyfits were misunderstandings, me being too aggressive at a time I didn't understand the intentions of people and hadn't really gotten my hand on the community, and basically felt threatened easily by anyone and everyone. Things changes after that to just getting on people's nerves for shits and giggles. Now however, I'm a bit more sewious and typically only drill someone when I truly believe they're doing something wrong.

Btw, I have fought numerous times with Theymos as well and think that his ridiculous claim that I was a "scammer" deserves a swift punch to the face, but we've agreed to disagree.

There, that's my proof that no matter what someone's status, I speak my mind. Next mod's turn!

P.S. In Bruno style, I reserve the right to delete this post later if I think it causes the above listed members unnecessary hurty touchy feelings.

[rjk]

Okay, so the Mods and the Admins are really nothing more than the great unwashed hoi polloi like the rest of us but they get shiny user titles. The board is funded, in part, by those donations, so you are volunteers laboring for a system that is, in part, funded by questionable source. Personally I don't take issue with any of you, even when I have been rightly or wrongly disciplined, its the nature of a beast like this forum. But, please don't ask any body to believe that there is not a wider sense of tolerance for significant donators.

Uhh, isn't Chaang a donator? VIP even? Please don't make me prove you wrong.

*pulls a list of donators he has verbally raped*

Here, I'll help you out: https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html <-- a complete list of donators and VIPs

Thanks!

Let's go through the list:

casascius - called him a loser, said he was ruining bitcoin for making Casascius coins and taking away from their validity of bitcoin (and confusing newbies) and for making a POS that I think will never be used ever.

zhoutong - I've told him he's an asshole for fighting with Ken and throwing a tantrum where he posted a thread here about how Cryptoxchange was lying about their stats without even talking to Ken about it first, proved him wrong, then he retracted it like a child and didn't even apologize correctly.

Goat - I've told him he's an annoying prick after he wasted my time, confused everything in his order, acted like a 60 year old grandma who's never used a computer before, made veiled threats and strutted his bruised ego around like a moron.

Blitzboom - I've argued with him in depth about bitcoinica and whether it is good or not and shared quite a few insults with him

shakaru - I've called him a fucktard and gotten in many arguments on the forum about him and his personal lack of business skills, to which he replied "You're a running joke" and referred to me as hitler in some context.

DeathAndTaxes - This stupid mother fucker used to be cool in my eyes, but then flipped the bitch switch on for no apparent reason. I'll give him a chance to change his mind later, but I'm pretty sure he's one of those "old man" style cocksuckers that isn't worth having on your side.

Boss - This is Atlas. Please dont' make me talk about that faggot as the conversation will result in reasons for why his mom should have aborted him.

aurumxchange - This is Roberto, who thinks through intimidation that he can cover up his mistakes (which he's learning doesn't work). We have yet to end our little squabble because he's avoiding all the right questions.

bccasino - Basically running an illegal website with a history of defrauding users and although I haven't -fought with him- at all, we've had a run in on this very issue that I was vocal about regardless of his "status".



Unfortunately that's about all I can remember for now.

I'd like to say that -most- of these little hissyfits were misunderstandings, me being too aggressive at a time I didn't understand the intentions of people and hadn't really gotten my hand on the community, and basically felt threatened easily by anyone and everyone. Things changes after that to just getting on people's nerves for shits and giggles. Now however, I'm a bit more sewious and typically only drill someone when I truly believe they're doing something wrong.

Btw, I have fought numerous times with Theymos as well and think that his ridiculous claim that I was a "scammer" deserves a swift punch to the face, but we've agreed to disagree.

There, that's my proof that no matter what someone's status, I speak my mind. Next mod's turn!

P.S. In Bruno style, I reserve the right to delete this post later if I think it causes the above listed members unnecessary hurty touchy feelings.

Too late, I quoted it.