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I mean these guys need to be stopped if what we hear is true then they are the sickest vile human beings of recent years or are they?
What do you guys think do you believe what you hear and see on the news or is it just the media doing what they do best? 'lying' and blowing shit out of proportion..
They have captured a lot of the middle east has anyone got contact with friends or family who can say yay its true or nay it is not as bad as made out?
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I mean these guys need to be stopped if what we hear is true then they are the sickest vile human beings of recent years or are they?
What do you guys think do you believe what you hear and see on the news or is it just the media doing what they do best? 'lying' and blowing shit out of proportion..
They have captured a lot of the middle east has anyone got contact with friends or family who can say yay its true or nay it is not as bad as made out?
No, Media is not lying about them. They are the Sickest, can't even be called humans. I have seen videos on some sites and they were removed because it showed them slaughtering innocent people and it was disgusting. But sadly we can't do anything but hope that nations get together and fight these evil monsters. |
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I mean these guys need to be stopped if what we hear is true then they are the sickest vile human beings of recent years or are they?
What do you guys think do you believe what you hear and see on the news or is it just the media doing what they do best? 'lying' and blowing shit out of proportion..
They have captured a lot of the middle east has anyone got contact with friends or family who can say yay its true or nay it is not as bad as made out?
The problem we have is most of the world really does not know the any truths just what is fed to us threw the media and most of that is to keep us in fear and easily controlled. I think it is a bit of both lies and exaggerated for whatever reason they have. Thankfully i have no family or friends over there so i can't comment. If it is as bad as we are told then we as a world need to stop it now. |
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I mean these guys need to be stopped if what we hear is true then they are the sickest vile human beings of recent years or are they?
What do you guys think do you believe what you hear and see on the news or is it just the media doing what they do best? 'lying' and blowing shit out of proportion..
They have captured a lot of the middle east has anyone got contact with friends or family who can say yay its true or nay it is not as bad as made out?
I'm affraid we've missed the opportunity to stop them. Just take a look at their predecessors in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We beat them, but more and more coming back next time. So, yes, we can beat them, but we can not root them out. The survivors will scatter and going to start new groups everywhere they can. To make things worse many young muslims across the world see those bastards as heroes or defenders of the faith, and going to be happy to join them. Get used to them. |
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March 04, 2015, 02:47:43 PM |
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Your replys guys i appreciate the reading from different points of view thanks, keep them coming i will make time to reply further tonight after work  |
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The Kurds know how to fight ISIS, they've been fighting these fanatics for years, it's only because they want full autonomy and to have real independence they are being ignored by the west, it's incredibly sad to see because they are a very tolerant people as well, you only need to look at how stable their regions are to recognise that.
The empire building ambitions of all of the three major powers are going to get more innocent people killed.
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March 04, 2015, 11:30:59 PM |
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The same way people dealt with the Nazi, an international coalition to fight them and then we hang them all.
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March 04, 2015, 11:35:59 PM |
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The same way people dealt with the Nazi, an international coalition to fight them and then we hang them all.
This is a good idea except we never hanged the nazi's we hired them to build us rocket ships and bombs and pretty much everything else that made the USA. ISIS are more difficult because they are mixed with good people in fact they are torturing good people everyday because their beliefs differ just a little... Fu&king scummy isis does need taken care of though by any means necessary.... |
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The same way people dealt with the Nazi, an international coalition to fight them and then we hang them all.
This is a good idea except we never hanged the nazi's we hired them to build us rocket ships and bombs and pretty much everything else that made the USA. ISIS are more difficult because they are mixed with good people in fact they are torturing good people everyday because their beliefs differ just a little... Fu&king scummy isis does need taken care of though by any means necessary.... Scientists got way, many went to th US, they were not the masterminds of the regime, they did their job as scientists and engineers, of course some might had some guilt, they got lucky... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials#Executions |
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The same way people dealt with the Nazi, an international coalition to fight them and then we hang them all.
This is a good idea except we never hanged the nazi's we hired them to build us rocket ships and bombs and pretty much everything else that made the USA. ISIS are more difficult because they are mixed with good people in fact they are torturing good people everyday because their beliefs differ just a little... Fu&king scummy isis does need taken care of though by any means necessary.... Scientists got way, many went to th US, they were not the masterminds of the regime, they did their job as scientists and engineers, of course some might had some guilt, they got lucky... https[Suspicious link removed]cutions Dude you cannot tell me what happened i am well versed in the known and unknown history of the wars plus recent times. Thanks for the link i will not click though... |
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I mean these guys need to be stopped if what we hear is true then they are the sickest vile human beings of recent years or are they?
What do you guys think do you believe what you hear and see on the news or is it just the media doing what they do best? 'lying' and blowing shit out of proportion..
They have captured a lot of the middle east has anyone got contact with friends or family who can say yay its true or nay it is not as bad as made out?
I notice a thread derail here, wonder why? |
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Need to stop the flow of new recruits and funding first. Then start getting rid of them piece by piece.
Once they they have no money or leadership, they will crumble.
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Need to stop the flow of new recruits and funding first. Then start getting rid of them piece by piece.
Once they they have no money or leadership, they will crumble.
Yeah, the first thing would be to cut off their funding. It's mind-boggling that they profit almost $3 Million daily from their oil exports. |
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I mean these guys need to be stopped if what we hear is true then they are the sickest vile human beings of recent years or are they?
What do you guys think do you believe what you hear and see on the news or is it just the media doing what they do best? 'lying' and blowing shit out of proportion..
They have captured a lot of the middle east has anyone got contact with friends or family who can say yay its true or nay it is not as bad as made out?
I beleive that they are dreadful people, possibly the sickest vilest human beings of recent years, I don't really think that the media is lying to us, I think they might be over-blowing the risk the pose to the west, but otherwise the reporting is fair enough. My question would be though, why should we (the west) do anything? We aren't the world's policeman. The local countries of the region should probably intervene when neccessay, but I don't see it as a job for the west. |
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I believe ISIS are just another incarnation of the Mujahadeen.. These bastards have been warring and being dicks for like 3000 years.. Nothing is going to change that short of nuclear bombing the whole damn middle east.
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Need to stop the flow of new recruits and funding first. Then start getting rid of them piece by piece.
Once they they have no money or leadership, they will crumble.
Yeah, the first thing would be to cut off their funding. It's mind-boggling that they profit almost $3 Million daily from their oil exports. That is a lot of doh, and that is just threw their oil exports. Then they have the banks museums they have taken over everywhere they go, they take full control of the place which is scarey really isint it.. Also i have to ask do they sell the oil in dollars to the west? I have seen they do if that is the case no wonder US/UK are leaving them to it which = they are just as bad and guilty but we already know thins anyway  |
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March 05, 2015, 12:47:50 PM |
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Destroy it's creator (US) and see what happens.
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Need to stop the flow of new recruits and funding first. Then start getting rid of them piece by piece.
Once they they have no money or leadership, they will crumble.
Eliminating the current leader could lead to an internal power struggle, however IS seems to have a relative loose mission oriented comman structure. Cutting off their funding is an interesting problem. Their supporters needs to be eliminated first but doing that could be an issue... |
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March 05, 2015, 03:33:07 PM |
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All they want is your hatred. The idea of terrorism is to foment hatred and provoke a stupid overreaction. It's hard to argue that terrorism has not been successful in that effort. 9/11 did not break the world, our reaction to it has. Success draws support and we are now seeing that support growing. I don't know what we can do?
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March 05, 2015, 09:03:39 PM |
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Need to stop the flow of new recruits and funding first. Then start getting rid of them piece by piece.
Once they they have no money or leadership, they will crumble.
Eliminating the current leader could lead to an internal power struggle, however IS seems to have a relative loose mission oriented comman structure. Cutting off their funding is an interesting problem. Their supporters needs to be eliminated first but doing that could be an issue... Many of their current leaders are former military men so they have expertise in these attacks and town takeovers. If they are all killed, it maybe more difficult to coordinate strategies. If funding would be cut, they wouldn't be able to buy weapons/ammo and it would be hard for them to advance. |
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March 05, 2015, 10:30:01 PM |
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Wouldn't the next guy in charge just pop up? its seems like cutting funding while bombing them would workout the best but I don't see how you could be able to successfully stop them from receiving funds.
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Oh, they could be anihilated relatively easily in very short time. There hasn't been interest in doing so by any country with the power to do it: china, russia usa or even possibly israel. In fact it was the US that created conditions for it to spring to life.
Hussein, kadaffi, Assad, they went and attacked/killed these and portrait them as incarnations of the devil. That is very stupid, those leaders were perfect for those countries. Look what hellholes they became after these leaders were removed from their chairs.
People critized sadam hussein and called him a murder, but what exactly is the right way to deal with the kind of people that makes up the ISIS as of today? Did he do so wrong? Would he get them under control with silly soft legislation like in western nations?
With less colateral damage than that already caused in iraq and afganistan in the last 15 years, it would be pretty straight forward to remove the isis of the map. But there is simply no country or political force with any motivation to do it.
That asside, I see a rather steady, and now rapid, exodus from the western delusional mindset of universal peace and silly assumptions that every third world person is a saint. Parties with more radical optinions both on the left and on the right will have their chance to try out different paradigms. EU might be dismantled because of this, many social assumptions such as tax paying, national defence, open borders, will be questioned and or eventually cease to exist. So I think the ISIS is having tremendous impact in the world, in the sense that they are opening people's eyes for the fact that assholes like them do exist and and more concentrated in some parts of the world and some specific ethnicities. This is a fact. Although I think that as soon as they try to set foot on any minimally functional country they will be stoped like a cockroach. The most direct candidates are of course turkey and iran, but even egypt could easily beat them
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Well, Obviously you can't.
After WWI when the "Westerners" split "Sick Man" (a.k.a Ottoman Empire) they created this shithole in Middle East.
First Britain turned arabs against Turks, and they betrayed us. Then the winner side of war shared middle east soil because of oil.
When Britain's, USA's etc wealth decreased; they created shit excuses to attack Middle East countries to gain more oil, money etc.
And now, arabs are fighting back to those colonizers but western media says arabs/muslims are all terorists.
ps: I'm not defending ISIS, obviously ISIS is terorist. When I said arabs I meant real owner of the middle east soil.
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The best way is to stop paying income taxes in America. This can easily be done by following the directions here: |
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March 05, 2015, 11:35:45 PM |
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....western media says arabs/muslims are all terorists.
ps: I'm not defending ISIS, obviously ISIS is terorist. When I said arabs I meant real owner of the middle east soil.
Here in the US I don't see anything remotely like "arabs/muslims are all terrorists." What I do see that is annoying is too much news time to the latest little attention seeking atrocity of the extremists (this year, ISIS) |
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March 06, 2015, 12:11:03 AM |
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....western media says arabs/muslims are all terorists.
ps: I'm not defending ISIS, obviously ISIS is terorist. When I said arabs I meant real owner of the middle east soil.
Here in the US I don't see anything remotely like "arabs/muslims are all terrorists." What I do see that is annoying is too much news time to the latest little attention seeking atrocity of the extremists (this year, ISIS) It doesn't have to be spoken loudly, for instance on tv shows that's impiled a lot. Especially "Person Of Interest". If you watch it then you would know the machine gives a (social security) number who's unknown a victim or perpetrator yet. If this number is a muslim, John Reese says "terorist cell" immediately. This is not the only one example, tv show 24 was also another example on that; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_reaction_to_24#Depiction_of_Muslims |
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We are all on a bus with careering towards a cliff with three people fighting over the wheel. The one thinks they have the divine right to drive the bus, the other is suicidal and the third doesn't know how to drive the bus. What do you do?
Get off the BUS
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actually i dont care about them
let the time to answer all of the
just believed they will receive karma
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March 06, 2015, 02:56:43 AM |
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Thanks for the link, yes a great blog |
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....western media says arabs/muslims are all terorists.
ps: I'm not defending ISIS, obviously ISIS is terorist. When I said arabs I meant real owner of the middle east soil.
Here in the US I don't see anything remotely like "arabs/muslims are all terrorists." What I do see that is annoying is too much news time to the latest little attention seeking atrocity of the extremists (this year, ISIS) It doesn't have to be spoken loudly, for instance on tv shows that's impiled a lot. Especially "Person Of Interest". If you watch it then you would know the machine gives a (social security) number who's unknown a victim or perpetrator yet. If this number is a muslim, John Reese says "terorist cell" immediately. This is not the only one example, tv show 24 was also another example on that; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_reaction_to_24#Depiction_of_MuslimsAnecdotes do not prove your premise "arabs/muslims are all terrorists" and your suggestion that TV shows stereotype is unfounded. anyway, why not stop watching tv? It's stupid and a giant waste of time. We turned ours off five years ago. |
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It's tough. A first reaction for me is let's bomb the hell out of them, but fighting people with bombs just breeds more people that want to fight with bombs.
E.g., I'm a bad guy and I terrorize you so you kill me. My child grows up knowing you killed me and all they know is that you're the bad guy and want to avenge my death, so they terrorize you. You kill my child. And my grand child grows up knowing you killed...It never ends.
The only way to fight this is we make it impossible for their terrorism to be effective, we play "blockade style" offense and defense against their attacks, forever. It's the only way we can make them ineffective AND minimize or eliminate the breeding of more people that share their ideology.
And by "blockade style" offense I mean that the world needs to treat them as the pariah of society. People need to not do business with them, not give them money, not let them stay/operate/live on their land...they need to be starved.
Make it impossible to exist BUT never take away their existence, so there can never be anything to avenge.
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Destroy it's creator (US) and see what happens.
LOL, why do u think US creates ISIS? Who told u?  I guess you are not an American, u just wanna defame US government? |
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Bombing ISIS or send ground troops was not the best options to solved this Crisis, Airstrike won't destroy radical ideology.
ISIS lose their momentum now, its the time for :
#Cut ISIS financial resources , ISIS needs money for guns and supply.
#Fix Iraq political crisis, this nightmare began because of that.
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Its going to be hard to destroy the ISIS so easily. We will have to wait for the US to step in and take strict actions and do something about it.
The situation is getting much worse these days.
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Cut the money source.
If they don't have money, they can't grow strong.
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all this ISIS shit is good for goverments of any country who want to control people. Fear is something which is taking power from every person. Gov can step in and say we will protect you BUT....and now they can do and will what they want because u scared.
ISIS is funded easily probably by other nations because gov need them to control people.How come in today time where tech is so fucking great USA cannot end up with ISIS? Why other countrys cannot finish with beheading of innocent people just by using this hi tech shit to aim at enemys? there is reason for that.
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March 07, 2015, 12:02:46 PM |
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Cut the money source.
If they don't have money, they can't grow strong.
Thats a very hard thing to do, as they have anonymous donators, along with that, they always get way through, by asking for ransom from the government. |
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Where to live as a Quran Fundamentalist? - the Law of the Quran for the People of the Quran.
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Cut the money source.
If they don't have money, they can't grow strong.
Thats a very hard thing to do, as they have anonymous donators, along with that, they always get way through, by asking for ransom from the government. Dude the only places you see asking to donate to them scumbags are scambags trying to scam, not Isis these guys take country's and then run them in a cruel way yes but they do run them. They are in the middle east taking oil fields an i have seen somewhere making 3 million a day just from oil do you really think donators make a difference? Not sure you have seen one kidnap asking for ransom you have only seen kidnap =head off no money involved because they have enough until people stop buying oil which they obviously will not so them are the same people with blood on their hand black and red blood.. |
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Let me be clear, I strongly support Quran Fundamentalism but (get it, but, it means the full weight of the empire, the loss of life of countless innocents and enemies, who cares)
0) All weddings implies mutual consent, the sharing of the free will of those involved.
1) All plants of the Creation are Plants of the Creation, you have no rights on others People usages of those plants.
If 0 or 1 are violated, I don't care of the rest... silence.
However if 0 and 1 are respected, where to live? not under the thumbs of oligarchs living in palaces, having all powers, against all people... no way. so where?
of course no westerners will tell you that. why? How do they get their 2B in the "funds"... ahaha... wanna have an Harem too?
The restoration of the American Empire will be so violent, many millions are under the risks of heavy nuking... saw bagdad in 2003? the goal was to rebuild, not to annihilate, if you wanna see, it can be delivered ww.
and final. fight ETERNAL CHINA OR RUSSIA, and discover that the sky will be covered, Dragon Size.
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excellent : http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2015/03/western-jihadis-syria-150304102807466.htmlhttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-07/why-westerners-are-flocking-al-qaeda-and-isis-documentaryOn the fourth anniversary of the Syrian War, Al Jazeera is out with a new documentary that explores why young, Western Muslims feel increasingly compelled to join the fight and also looks at the ideological divide between al-Qaeda’s Syrian arm, al-Nusra and ISIS. For those interested in a first-hand account from those on the ground, the full video is below, along with commentary from the filmmaker, Nagieb Khaja. Interesting how it's really the west (ie the mentality of exploitation - domination - hierarchy) vs Islam (Peace - unity - heterarchy).edit btw : you note the an co. it's there to say that isis are the baddest but all the others Muslims not servants to the west must die... edit 2: wall street is Islam compatible! just to say, that wall street is under domination, exploitation of the west... I know it sound crazy, but if you know the spirit you know that I am right... |
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We don't need to do anything, they are going to destroy themselves since they are barbaric and derranged in nature. They are already failing. They give the illusion of winning via propaganda but they are getting defeated. If US sent armed drones tomorrow it would be over.
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March 08, 2015, 07:09:26 PM |
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People clearly don't realize that cutting funding wouldn't do it. They are a state practically they control a larger area then the UK they tax their "citizens" and sell the resources they control. Cutting funding wont do anything because their largely self sufficient.
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I support the pro-bombing side because ISIS is a murderous, evil, irrational group that will eventually attack the US and its citizens
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there is only one way to destroy the group, namely by tightening the border into Iraq or Syria to prevent foreigners joined ISIS...
turkey became the key to realizing the border tightening efforts. yeah because the country is the border of iraq and syria are believed to be access for foreigners who join ISIS
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March 10, 2015, 02:28:18 AM |
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I think the best way is to let the Arab world do their job. Even ISIS doesn't believe they'll own the world. They beleive they'll take Istanbul Turkey (never will happen) and that Jesus will come to save them in the field of battle (again, not happening). They have been put down and defeated several times in history.. I think this is like the 17th califate or something. If so many califates have been wrong what makes any of them relevant? It will run it's course like any other and hopefully we'll be done with it for as long as any of us live.
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