The end of copyright and patent is where we should be headed

[(oYo)]

I personally don't see this ever happening, since not only would people have to put aside their own petty and selfish desires, but they'd also have to destroy the formidable political and corporate power structures which supports such behavior.

Correct. This will happen.

Even though I don't believe it's quite enough, the end of monetary inflation would surely be a great start and certainly a move in the right direction. Great video. Thx!

[koelen3]

I personally don't see this ever happening, since not only would people have to put aside their own petty and selfish desires, but they'd also have to destroy the formidable political and corporate power structures which supports such behavior.

Correct. This will happen.

Even though I don't believe it's quite enough, the end of monetary inflation would surely be a great start and certainly a move in the right direction. Great video. Thx!

Though this all seems good but think for a moment that you work your ass off , day and night , crowd fund a project and then some rich guy steals your idea , get's it done and Ta-da! who get's the credit ?
The Rich guy because media will go to him.
The idea of patent is to get people what they deserve and if someone works their ass hard and gives us something good , they deserve the royalty

[CIYAM]

When looking at these operating systems and applications through the eyes of someone who does not have a lot of technical skills, would you say that these applications have the same level of both features and UI as "traditional" (patented) applications have? Will they have the same level of security as necessary for people who have little/no experience in managing their security?

Applications are not patented (although some algorithms are) and there are plenty of nice shiny UI open source applications.

As for security - I guess that you don't think Bitcoin is secure (better hope whatever online wallet you use doesn't disappear and take all your funds with it).

[CIYAM]

The idea of patent is to get people what they deserve and if someone works their ass hard and gives us something good , they deserve the royalty

The original idea of patent was perhaps like that - these days patents are used by large corporations to prevent anyone else from even entering their markets.

[(oYo)]

I personally don't see this ever happening, since not only would people have to put aside their own petty and selfish desires, but they'd also have to destroy the formidable political and corporate power structures which supports such behavior.

Correct. This will happen.

Even though I don't believe it's quite enough, the end of monetary inflation would surely be a great start and certainly a move in the right direction. Great video. Thx!

Though this all seems good but think for a moment that you work your ass off , day and night , crowd fund a project and then some rich guy steals your idea , get's it done and Ta-da! who get's the credit ?
The Rich guy because media will go to him.
The idea of patent is to get people what they deserve and if someone works their ass hard and gives us something good , they deserve the royalty

I did address this in my original comment. You're missing some context here, since Beliathon didn't quote my comment in its entirety.

Here it is again.

If we were to eliminate patent and copyright laws without moving on to something like a 'gift economy', rich and powerful entities would simply steal your ideas and flood the market with their own versions. I personally don't see this ever happening, since not only would people have to put aside their own petty and selfish desires, but they'd also have to destroy the formidable political and corporate power structures which supports such behavior. Frankly, I don't believe people will ever become intelligent, vigilant and responsible enough or care for one another enough, to break free from this perpetual master/slave relationship with one another.

<Edit> Isn't this topic better suited in the Politics & Society section?

[Quickseller]

When looking at these operating systems and applications through the eyes of someone who does not have a lot of technical skills, would you say that these applications have the same level of both features and UI as "traditional" (patented) applications have? Will they have the same level of security as necessary for people who have little/no experience in managing their security?

Applications are not patented (although some algorithms are) and there are plenty of nice shiny UI open source applications.

As for security - I guess that you don't think Bitcoin is secure (better hope whatever online wallet you use doesn't disappear and take all your funds with it).

bitcoin is the exception to the rule. Bitcoin also takes a lot of very advanced technology to secure it that is run by many very technological advanced people.

It is also very difficult for a non-technogical advanced person to secure their own bitcoin. The concept of using proper 'brain wallet' security measures is foreign to most people, the concept of how password protected backups work is foreign to most people. Many people do not have the technical expertise to be able to secure their bitcoin.

Don't get me wrong, I very much love bitcoin, and I very much believe in bitcoin's long term success, and I have put a lot of my time into earning bitcoin. However people do need to have their hand held.

[CIYAM]

bitcoin is the exception to the rule.

Not really sure what you are getting at as Bitcoin's UI is pretty "plain Jane" compared to many advanced open source applications (maybe you just need to familiarise yourself more with what is available).

[koelen3]

The idea of patent is to get people what they deserve and if someone works their ass hard and gives us something good , they deserve the royalty

The original idea of patent was perhaps like that - these days patents are used by large corporations to prevent anyone else from even entering their markets.

Excuse me but what's wrong with that?
That's how market's work and patent and royalty .
If someone Discovers /develops something , they have full copyright and patent on it and if someone decides to use it ! They pay for it .
Let's consider it as with your name , You have complete Copyright over your name and avatar. What if someone makes a same username (with a lil difference and same is not allowed) and gets same avatar( i know not allowed for now) BUT is a totally different guy and by chance chose the same avatar but have same name (I don't know if it is your real photo , we are just supposing it here) . People will instantly tag him as Fake even though he did nothing wrong , probably the poor guy doesn't even know what happened to him.
Same is in the case of Signature Campaigns , we lend our copyrighted names and Identity to them to earn some money.
The idea of Patent/Copyright is totally solid in my opinion and should stay.
~Regards Koelen3

[BADecker]

Attempting to limit one from how he wishes to distribute his private property is an attempt at socializing, which is really taking away freedom.

Anyone who wants to get rid of patenting and copyrighting is only attempting to shoot himself in the foot. Why? Because when we don't have patenting and copyrighting in place any longer, companies will spring up that will make sure that copies CAN'T be made without proper payment... through various forms of encryption and hardware.

As long as people keep on trusting an outdated patent/copyright system, they won't try to limit copying in more effective ways. But if the patent/copyright system is removed, people will do what they must to protect their property, which includes their sales. And what they do will be way beyond anything in the present encryption field.

Now, maybe that is the thing you are really after. If it is, I don't blame you. The patent/copyright system isn't working very well anyway.



EDIT: Would you buy a car with a sealed engine, so that private engine technology would be protected? Many people would.

[CIYAM]

Anyone who wants to get rid of patenting and copyrighting is only attempting to shoot himself in the foot. Why? Because when we don't have patenting and copyrighting in place any longer, companies will spring up that will make sure that copies CAN'T be made without proper payment... through various forms of encryption and hardware.

As effectively copyright and patent have never applied to China by your reasoning no-one would have any pirate software here because it would have already been protected.

Hmm... seems not to be the case.

[runpaint]

Holy fuck i had to put the dumbfck runpaint on ignore.

That's the best way to preserve your irrational beliefs, since you can't answer my points.

After all, i'm not surprised, since 2013 this forum attracts most "wanna-get-rich" piece of shit all over the world.

Yes, those greedy pieces of shit who only care about expensive cars and buying expensive women as status symbols....

If i could have 1 BTC for every thread like this when the price crashes, i would be banging Kimdarshian and driving a Maserati.

Those greedy capitalists who see the common people as pigs to be slaughtered for their own profits...

This is why we call the noobs pigs,.... and pigs are always slaughtered.

The same greedy grubbing capitalists with their lust for gold...

We will be on par with GOLD soon!

While so many people starve, these privileged few sit on mountains of wealth which is more than any man could ever need...

I did transfer of five figures and my bank asked me all kind of questions..... some even privacy related.

They laugh and count their money, salivating over the prospect of getting even MORE money...

LOL you know eventually btc will be over $10k right? Who would buy one coin? I'm sure ppl will buy mBTC

They control the means of production...

I have a BFL SC 60GH/s IN HAND for sale.

Asking $10,000 cash. I dont consider SHIPPING right now.

But you're right, all kinds of greedy assholes showed up in 2013.  One guy hadn't posted here since June 2012, and he showed up out of nowhere, over a year later, and his first post was an offer to sell a mining rig for $10,000. ^


I'm talking about the serious capitalist assholes who were drunk with money, and called everyone else idiots for selling at $800.

Booom.... i just took that 950 wall down!

FCK TA.... money talks bs walks!

And then of course after the price came back down, now he hates capitalism and money.  Because he can't afford to pay for as much sex as he used to.

blow couple btc and you can get 5 girls for the night

[NUFCrichard]

Why would companies spend money on R&D without the protection that a patent offers.  They pour money into testing and developing a product only to be usurped by larger companies later.
The copyright isn't so important to me, but I work in Biotechnology and clinical trials and product development takes a very long time and costs lots of money.  Usually big Pharma comes in and buys out the small companies soon after they get drug approval, but without a patent they wouldn't really need to, they could employ 1 or 2 of the key developers and they would have all of the information they need to make the product themselves.

Soon enough no one would do R&D and progress would slow significantly.  Look at what has happened to hollywood since people started pirating the films constantly.  There has hardly been an original film made there in the last 10 years!

[CIYAM]

Look at what has happened to hollywood since people started pirating the films constantly.  There has hardly been an original film made there in the last 10 years!

Actually all the evidence about Hollywood shows that they are making more money than *ever before* (and most of the new films make that money within their first week now). There is a good TED Talk about this specific thing (I suggest watching it).

Also if you look at the film Interstellar it was not only a great film but involved some incredible R&D with the some of the key special effects being actually based upon correctly modelled physics.

The film will have been "pirated" all over the place already but they have already made their profits (so it really isn't relevant to their "bottom line").

Basically Hollywood has "solved" the problem with the idea of getting people to go to cinemas in particular (and wanting to see the "new release" there).

So although they keep "crying poor" they have worked out how to re-invent themselves in the 21st century (maybe big Pharma needs some lessons).

[thompete]

After 3 pages, sorry If I am repeating this. But it is true , that COpyright and patents are a hindrance for growth. I mean, the main aim of the world is to move forward and grow, and using on innovations from other people. If you copyright something, then that basically hinders that growth.
Here is also an interesting video/article: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/b/6888f36d-5487-4bfb-b670-32c581f1d2ce
Can't find the similar article I read.

[BitMos]

After 3 pages, sorry If I am repeating this. But it is true , that COpyright and patents are a hindrance for growth. I mean, the main aim of the world is to move forward and grow, and using on innovations from other people. If you copyright something, then that basically hinders that growth.
Here is also an interesting video/article: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/b/6888f36d-5487-4bfb-b670-32c581f1d2ce
Can't find the similar article I read.

Please, understand that I have decided to appropriate myself the rights granted by copyrights, in the attribution to myself to the patent of fire. yes, simply that. following this dire legal fact, all of you will have to pay me 1% of your income (because today I am nice, but tomorrow it could be 20%), I hope you will agree, otherwise I would come with the "cops" to take your asset directly (it would be less nice).

the best and most efficient way to finish copyright holder is to not buy from them. it's a pause, but to breath you have to pause. . think of that like the winter of growth.

[jaysabi]

I believe copyrights have their place for people who create their work (be it a movie, song, book, etc.) and don't wish for you to consume it without compensation. Getting rid of copyrights gets rid of the legal protection of their property. Crowd funding is great for any artist who wants to go that route. I support copyright protections for those who don't.

[CIYAM]

Hollywood has managed to survive and "thrive" in the digital age by just changing their model (so they make all their profits in the first week).

If they can work it out then I think others can also.

[BitMos]

I believe copyrights have their place for people who create their work (be it a movie, song, book, etc.) and don't wish for you to consume it without compensation. Getting rid of copyrights gets rid of the legal protection of their property. Crowd funding is great for any artist who wants to go that route. I support copyright protections for those who don't.

reverse my statement and you will see it's true too.

[Beliathon]

Please, understand that I have decided to appropriate myself the rights granted by copyrights, in the attribution to myself to the patent of fire. yes, simply that. following this dire legal fact, all of you will have to pay me 1% of your income (because today I am nice, but tomorrow it could be 20%), I hope you will agree, otherwise I would come with the "cops" to take your asset directly (it would be less nice).

This guy gets it.

the best and most efficient way to finish copyright holder is to not buy from them. it's a pause, but to breath you have to pause. . think of that like the winter of growth.

I'd so go one step further, once you have the information they are trying to own, distribute it as freely and widely as you can. No mercy for any profit margins backed by (state or not) violence.

[BitMos]

Please, understand that I have decided to appropriate myself the rights granted by copyrights, in the attribution to myself to the patent of fire. yes, simply that. following this dire legal fact, all of you will have to pay me 1% of your income (because today I am nice, but tomorrow it could be 20%), I hope you will agree, otherwise I would come with the "cops" to take your asset directly (it would be less nice).

This guy gets it.

the best and most efficient way to finish copyright holder is to not buy from them. it's a pause, but to breath you have to pause. . think of that like the winter of growth.

I'd so go one step further, once you have the information they are trying to own, distribute it as freely and widely as you can. No mercy for any profit margins backed by (state or not) violence.

thank you, what a compliment, but I could be a girl, or an AI... who knows...

About entertainers, how could they live without income, and thus produce the entertainment I like? winter is harsh.

the people that are very funny are those having copyrights on weapons... hoooww childish.