[YeldControl] Overview and list of all Bitcoin related investor-based games

[IsThisDutch]

Great idea and solid list. Please note that a ponzi IS betting and whatever money you put in, you must expect to lose. Never invest more than you can lose.

I've already write something about the risk in the first paragraph of the thread:

Note that all the sites linked below have high risk, do not invest more than you are able to lose!

Maybe add another risk-level. Coinsdouble paid me, but I hear multiple stories about guys who they didn't pay. High-risk.

Add the risk-level is a good idea but how can we decide equally the risk level?

Extra risk? Extra means more than normal, so you instantly show there is a risk already.

[YeldControl]

Great idea and solid list. Please note that a ponzi IS betting and whatever money you put in, you must expect to lose. Never invest more than you can lose.

I've already write something about the risk in the first paragraph of the thread:

Note that all the sites linked below have high risk, do not invest more than you are able to lose!

Maybe add another risk-level. Coinsdouble paid me, but I hear multiple stories about guys who they didn't pay. High-risk.

Add the risk-level is a good idea but how can we decide equally the risk level?

Extra risk? Extra means more than normal, so you instantly show there is a risk already.

Thank you for the feedback but I have no idea to how to write it for be equally for all websites. How can we judge if a site have higher risk with proofs? The solution is if a site have some problems with some users (not with all) the status will go in Waiting. Others idea?

[YeldControl]

What about add a banner that service's admin can add in their thread? I think something like this for now:
http://puu.sh/gs6Sd/523fb30aa3.png

Service's admin can add the banner in the main thread of the service and users can monitor the status. With this, admin can give users more trust and people can instantly see if that service is SCAM.

The admin that don't approve this banner (maybe, but not sure) are scammers and don't want to promote the banner because this thread alert that his service is SCAM. For the next days some service will enable this banner and we can see after some days/week the services that don't insert the banner in their thread.


Tell me what you think about it.

[ShrykeZ]

What about add a banner that service's admin can add in their thread? I think something like this for now:


Service's admin can add the banner in the main thread of the service and users can monitor the status. With this, admin can give users more trust and people can instantly see if that service is SCAM.

The admin that don't approve this banner (maybe, but not sure) are scammers and don't want to promote the banner because this thread alert that his service is SCAM. For the next days some service will enable this banner and we can see after some days/week the services that don't insert the banner in their thread.


Tell me what you think about it.

I like the idea, although maybe a signature is better for the service providers? Then it's displayed on all of their posts.

[YeldControl]

What about add a banner that service's admin can add in their thread? I think something like this for now:
http://puu.sh/gs6Sd/523fb30aa3.png

Service's admin can add the banner in the main thread of the service and users can monitor the status. With this, admin can give users more trust and people can instantly see if that service is SCAM.

The admin that don't approve this banner (maybe, but not sure) are scammers and don't want to promote the banner because this thread alert that his service is SCAM. For the next days some service will enable this banner and we can see after some days/week the services that don't insert the banner in their thread.


Tell me what you think about it.

I like the idea, although maybe a signature is better for the service providers? Then it's displayed on all of their posts.

Thank you for feedback! Signature is a good idea but all new services uses a new bitcointalk account so they can't add the style for text format. The idea of signature is good but maybe it don't receive the attention that a banner in first message of the thread give.

[cheako911]

Category:Multi
Service name: Coins Double
Website: https://coinsdouble.com/
Online from: 2015-01-17T15:31:00.00Z
Cryptocurrencies: Bitcoin, DOGE, Lite, Pay
Paying method: 2X after 99hrs
Fees: 0
Thread: 928328
Status: SCAM
SCAM Proof:

Proof lies in the site's address lookup system.  It has a number of useful bugs, some that I'm keeping a secret.  The referral system is also not paying.  Blowing away your cookies renders the sites "My Investments" feature useless, you get one shot per address it seems.
https://coinsdouble.com/?ref=HFm30
1. Enter the test address: 1Nine9waAcCQtDsAqM9XwqLnLSsgg1ij2o
Returns: 1CL8BoDPnhScEsRAaMqzAU94SXL6Lf3H1Y
2. Note several deposits from 1Excalibur.  All +99 hours, I think.
3. Search 1Nine9waAcCQtDsAqM9XwqLnLSsgg1ij2o for payouts.
4. Possible matches are related to the following addresses:
1PM1C6w9HY4jnubzayUtHhCAzpj6pFxvme
1FPzxWJE4HDfiLUkZfqHht3zAsQseKeBeY
1DRpAthnCFFvBK7k2a9iL1HPuMntGGZaZQ

Look up these address on the site, they all return deposit addresses, that they don't belong to the hot wallet.  Think about what you could do with a chain 6 or 7 long of coins double looping back on it's self.

Domain Name: COINSDOUBLE.COM
Registry Domain ID: 1896408651_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
Registrar URL: www.enom.com
Updated Date: 2015-01-17T07:31:59.00Z
Creation Date: 2015-01-17T15:31:00.00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-01-17T15:31:00.00Z
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Registrar IANA ID: 48
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@enom.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4252982646
Reseller: NAMECHEAP.COM
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: WHOISGUARD PROTECTED
Registrant Organization: WHOISGUARD, INC.
Registrant Street: P.O. BOX 0823-03411
Registrant City: PANAMA
Registrant State/Province: PANAMA
Registrant Postal Code: 00000
Registrant Country: PA
Registrant Phone: +507.8365503
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +51.17057182
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: 7EDB29B2B9EA41438CDB91B34BAC9C27.PROTECT@WHOISGUARD.COM
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: WHOISGUARD PROTECTED
Admin Organization: WHOISGUARD, INC.
Admin Street: P.O. BOX 0823-03411
Admin City: PANAMA
Admin State/Province: PANAMA
Admin Postal Code: 00000
Admin Country: PA
Admin Phone: +507.8365503
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax: +51.17057182
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: 7EDB29B2B9EA41438CDB91B34BAC9C27.PROTECT@WHOISGUARD.COM
Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: WHOISGUARD PROTECTED
Tech Organization: WHOISGUARD, INC.
Tech Street: P.O. BOX 0823-03411
Tech City: PANAMA
Tech State/Province: PANAMA
Tech Postal Code: 00000
Tech Country: PA
Tech Phone: +507.8365503
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax: +51.17057182
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: 7EDB29B2B9EA41438CDB91B34BAC9C27.PROTECT@WHOISGUARD.COM
Name Server: ERIC.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
Name Server: IRIS.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM
DNSSEC: unSigned
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/
Last update of WHOIS database: 2015-01-17T07:31:59.00Z

[cheako911]

What about add a banner that service's admin can add in their thread? I think something like this for now:


Service's admin can add the banner in the main thread of the service and users can monitor the status. With this, admin can give users more trust and people can instantly see if that service is SCAM.

The admin that don't approve this banner (maybe, but not sure) are scammers and don't want to promote the banner because this thread alert that his service is SCAM. For the next days some service will enable this banner and we can see after some days/week the services that don't insert the banner in their thread.


Tell me what you think about it.

I like the idea, although maybe a signature is better for the service providers? Then it's displayed on all of their posts.

Thank you for feedback! Signature is a good idea but all new services uses a new bitcointalk account so they can't add the style for text format. The idea of signature is good but maybe it don't receive the attention that a banner in first message of the thread give.

I think you miss the point, your own point.

1. Can't be a centralized service.
2. Must be difficult to obtain/rare or it becomes devalued.
3. This is cryptocurrency so proof of work/guided tour seems plausible.
4. Guided tour helps raise awareness and should be a big win for players and OP.

What about something as simple as a long CA chain.  Some one starts a root CA and accepts private CA CSRs, who then do the same... but this time in more secret.  If your involvement get's out whomever signed your CA will revoke it.

The root/trusted CA(s) are copied around as is any CRL.  Even a root CA can have public keys signed in another chain, thus validating the root.  The system relies on the CAs from keeping their identities secret, save from whomever signed there CA and vice verse.

If your Ponzi is good some one at the bottom tier will approach you to get a server certificate signed and you post it on your site.  Now there is an n-th level validate built right into your site, plain for anyone to see!

The person who gave you the CA gives you a hint about how to get an n-1 server cert. and so fourth.

[cheako911]

https://excaliburponzi.com/root.crt
https://excaliburponzi.com/root.crl

BM-2cXxyk3gfco3Drib4iMPhVURBYnMYzk2Hp

DC:20:7A:81:88:23:49:0A:48:A1:6A:0B:E7:92:2E:DD:EF:46:CB:79
https://excaliburponzi.com/4c35f023.0
-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----
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[cheako911]

Ponzi OPs should know that you can only have one cert per network/IP|IPv6 address.  If you've got a Cert like excaliburponzy, then you should list both subject hashes on your site to prove that the sites are the same.

[cheako911]

Not one certificate from 1Excalibur, so I'd imagine that means that nobody want's to take part.

[ISellScripts]

How do I get my investment offer listed on this review thread?

here is the OP>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=984037.0 (guess you can call it a HYIP)

It is kinda new so I do not have any payment proofs yet but I can show proof of my revenue streams.
I am running a legit offer and would love to be added to your monitor list.

[freedomno1]

Interesting to see the investor based games section trying to regulate itself and Ponzis by category
Best of luck with your project

[YeldControl]

How do I get my investment offer listed on this review thread?

here is the OP>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=984037.0 (guess you can call it a HYIP)

It is kinda new so I do not have any payment proofs yet but I can show proof of my revenue streams.
I am running a legit offer and would love to be added to your monitor list.

You are not offering a real service, there isn't a website and nothing to trust in that thread. I won't add it as service, it's purely SCAM.

[youzaflip]

Service name: BigDoubleCoin.com
Status: SCAM
SCAM Proof: 2015/03/06 20:58:37   Bitcoin   1C7TXFEEgVHhVSQtXNARq4QoLJVGNUFE7b   0.05 BTC   PENDING   0.1 BTC

Originally my deposit never showed up and i contacted support, the fixed it right away. Now, my payout has been pending for like 20 hours. Ive contacted support and got no reply. Complete scam.


**the payout address is different then the deposit address fyi

[ISellScripts]

How do I get my investment offer listed on this review thread?

here is the OP>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=984037.0 (guess you can call it a HYIP)

It is kinda new so I do not have any payment proofs yet but I can show proof of my revenue streams.
I am running a legit offer and would love to be added to your monitor list.

You are not offering a real service, there isn't a website and nothing to trust in that thread. I won't add it as service, it's purely SCAM.

There is a website ( http://moneyinpjs.com ) and I offer many great bitcoin services.

You can see I have a "invest bitcoin" page that links back to the bitcointalk thread. 

[CryptoIncrease]

Category: Investment Based GAMBLING
Service name: CryptoIncrease
Website: http://www.cryptincrease.com/
Online from: Dec 2014 (Started out as PAYCOINPONZI.COM, Moved to cryptoincrease.com to expand into other altcoins)
Cryptocurrencies:  Bitcoin, Dogecoin, Litecoin, Namecoin, Paycoin, Potcoin, Peercoin, Primecoin, Quark, Reddcoin, Unobtanium, ZiftrCoin
Paying method: 25% Profit, 50% profit in high reward weekly rounds. (Instant when fund can afford next payout. No holding of coins above building for next payout)
Fees: 5% (2.5%) go to affiliates.
Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=939265.0
Status: Paying out. Live.
Additional informations: Ask us anything in the main thread. We have shown proof of $250k+ payouts in that thread.

[YeldControl]

Added CryptoIncrease.

[simpleponzi]

Category: Ponzi
Service name: Simpleponzi
Website: http://simpleponzi.com/
Online from: 23.02.2015
Cryptocurrencies: Blackcoin, Bitcoin, Cloakcoin, Digibyte, Dogecoin, Darkcoin, Feathercoin, Litecoin, Megacoin, Potcoin, Peercoin, Quarkcoin, Reddcoin, Vericoin, Primecoin, Paycoin 
Paying method: 125%
Fees: 5%
Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=989643.0
Status: Paying
Additional informations: Low maximum deposits to reduce risk

[YeldControl]

Added SimplePonzi.

[CryptoIncrease]

Added CryptoIncrease.

Thanks. Keep up the good work with this warning thread.