Email received from Bitcoinica just a moment ago. From Zhou

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Patrick Murck is an experienced lawyer who is also very familiar with Bitcoin. He was asked by some creditors and stakeholders of
Bitcoinica to broker the transactions. I was supposed to be act as an intermediary between the hacker and Patrick Murck to faciliate
the recovery of stolen funds.

Is a experienced lawyer exempt from disclosing to the authorities that they're in procession of stolen funds?

~Bruno~

[2112]

Is a experienced lawyer exempt from disclosing to the authorities that they're in procession of stolen funds?

Client-attorney privilege covers that. P.M. holds the funds "in trust". There's a long history of this type of arrangements to hold up to all kinds of judicial challenges.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Is a experienced lawyer exempt from disclosing to the authorities that they're in procession of stolen funds?

Client-attorney privilege covers that. P.M. holds the funds "in trust". There's a long history of this type of arrangements to hold up to all kinds of judicial challenges.

I concede on this issue, and this issue alone, unless others bring to light that this is not necessarily the case, but I won't be researching this fact myself.

Thank you, 2112.

~Bruno~

[kiba]

Isn't it's weird/stupid that ZT refuses to get a lawyer?

[AndrewBUD]

a minor in Canada for stealing any amount of money through a computer would end up with very little if any jail time at all.... I figure he's in the same boat.... You stole what? Bittycoins?

[dopamine]

I don't understand why this so called hacker is only returning $140,000 and 20,000 BTC. I want my 100% claim back and the hacker should pay up if not put him in jail the choice is his.

[repentance]

Perhaps that's the way it's taught at Trinity College which Zhou Tong claims to attend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_College_(University_of_Melbourne)

In addition to its resident community of around 300 students and tutors of the university, Trinity includes three other major educational programs: Trinity College Foundation Studies, which prepares 700–800 international students for admission to the University of Melbourne annually

http://www.trinity.unimelb.edu.au/

Founded in 1872 as the first residential college of the University of Melbourne, Trinity is a unique tertiary institution that provides a diverse range of high-quality academic programs for some 1500 talented students from across Australia and around the world.

The 1500 figure represents the 300 residences and the online students.

~Bruno~

Phin, you're misunderstanding what the "colleges" within the old universities are.

Only a very small proportion of people - including overseas students - studying at Australian universities live on campus.  Some universities don't even provide student accommodation.  The fact that someone isn't one of the 300 residential students doesn't mean a person is a distance education or flexible delivery student.  Foundation Studies students aren't eligible to be residential students of the College.

Zhou may or may not be in Australia attending Trinity college, but the nature of Trinity college and its programmes neither supports nor refutes that possibility.

To be honest, if you're so damned sure that he's not in Australia, I'm not sure why you haven't asked him to take a photo of himself in front of a uniquely Melbourne landmark holding today's paper instead of trying to prove it through tenuous connections.

[makomk]

Chen Jianhai has agreed to return at least $140,000 and 20,000 BTC under the condition that Bitcoinica LP will not start a police investigation about the hack. I have made it clear to him that I will have zero tolerance on this wrong-doing and if the promised amount is not paid back, I will make his identifiable information available to the police, and possibly public.

Yeah, not shady at all. I wonder if the next e-mail from zhoutong will be one saying that the Bitcoinica Consultancy members have gone to the police and blaming them for the fact that the promised money won't be forthcoming. Somehow I can just imagine everyone here buying into that and blaming it on the person who allegedly called the police on the thief, letting the guy whose passwords and accounts were used and in whose direction the evidence points off scott-free.

[teflone]

Spam mail from Name terrific ..


"Whoa is me... use my other service.."

[RaggedMonk]

I don't understand why this so called hacker is only returning $140,000 and 20,000 BTC. I want my 100% claim back and the hacker should pay up if not put him in jail the choice is his.

Have you filed a police report?  

For a forum full of libertarians, I find it hilarious how many people think the government magically gets things done without private intervention.

If you want a particular legal outcome, do something about it.  Whining that someone should go to jail on a forum for stealing your money, but actually doing nothing about it, is just pathetic.

[aq]

To be honest, if you're so damned sure that he's not in Australia, I'm not sure why you haven't asked him to take a photo of himself in front of a uniquely Melbourne landmark holding today's paper instead of trying to prove it through tenuous connections.

a) Bruno would not believe it, and would claim it is photoshoped, some actor, or something else.
b) Now if Bruno would accept that ZT is exactly what he says, what would he do with all his spare time?

[aq]

I don't understand why this so called hacker is only returning $140,000 and 20,000 BTC. I want my 100% claim back and the hacker should pay up if not put him in jail the choice is his.

Have you filed a police report?  

For a forum full of libertarians, I find it hilarious how many people think the government magically gets things done without private intervention.

If you want a particular legal outcome, do something about it.  Whining that someone should go to jail on a forum for stealing your money, but actually doing nothing about it, is just pathetic.

ZT seems to be the only libertarians in here. Everybody else constantly demands police, lawyers, and so on. I am sure they would all be lucky if some government would oversight Bitcoin.

[AndrewBUD]

What are police and lawyers going to do to a 17 year old kid? I doubt much... The money that would be involved in taking this guy down would probably be close to what he stole...

[repentance]

Great.  A former employee using Bitcoinica-held customer information for personal communication is just what this clusterfuck needs now.

[zhoutong]

Great.  A former employee using Bitcoinica-held customer information for personal communication is just what this clusterfuck needs now.

I'm sorry for those who think this email is redundant or useless.

I obtained the information from Bitcoinica to facilitate fund returns, as an independent individual (not employee). In my opinion updating customers from a personal perspective isn't spamming, and the emails are not unsolicited.

If you feel annoyed, simply unsubscribe and you won't hear from me again.

[Bitcoin Oz]

Great.  A former employee using Bitcoinica-held customer information for personal communication is just what this clusterfuck needs now.

I wonder if he got permission from said owners of bitcoinica first ? Im sure they are happy he is sending out marketing emails advertising his new service.

[rjk]

I can understand slightly if you wanted to provide information to facilitate things, although I don't necessarily agree. But the promotion of the new service was certainly unsolicited spam and a really cheap shot. You should never have breathed a word about it when sending a mass email.

[mc_lovin]

I think you guys are all crazy for trusting so many bitcoins on an online service.  You know they arn't safe unless they're in your wallet, didn't we learn from mybitcoin? 

[Herodes]

You're showing some self insight, which is a good thing, and is promising for your future.


Two more things:

- The 'hacker' needs to pay back all funds in full.
- Most people don't care about you or your personal feelings, they just want their funds back.

(I have no stake here)

[repentance]

Apart from the issue of whether or not you have any right to use the customer information you possess for any reason that isn't directed by those legally responsible for the refund process - which Tihan has stated will be a receiver and then a liquidator - how on earth can any Bitcoinica user be confident that the user information you and others associated with Bitcoinica hold is in any way secure given that you guys haven't been able to adequately protect your own email accounts or critical business information?  

Seriously, every single one of you needs to get whatever Bitcoinica related data you have out of your personal possession and into the hands of someone who is both legally entitled to possess it and legally obligated to properly protect it.  You can't just go around using data you were given access to for a specific purpose for whatever you want.  It's not your personal mailing list and you shouldn't be using it for anything unless you've been specifically authorised to do so by those to whom the user information belongs.  Did the limited partner, the general partner, or Patrick Murck authorise this mail out?