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The visceral hatred of science expressed by the libertarians here makes all of you appear very strange. Most of you are a confused and hypocritical lot.
Let's get something straight: ecology is not politics anymore than astronomy is. If you think it is, than you're kind of stupid. And if you keep using your ideology to change how you think about ecology, then you deserve all the disrespect you get.
Exactly. Science is not politics. So don't argue about politics in a thread about science. The OP in this thread is a politically motivated attack on environmentalism. Also, apparently you missed the part where I present information about ecology, and then get replies claiming that information is political. I tell you what, dree12, I'll leave you and your buddies to convince all of yourselves that you actually know stuff you don't about the subject, so that you can continue to wallow in your own ideas (bereft of any scientific basis), and then you'll be blissfully happy as each of you pats each other on the back for believing all of your own rhetoric. |
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August 14, 2012, 04:01:01 PM |
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The visceral hatred of science expressed by the libertarians here makes all of you appear very strange. Most of you are a confused and hypocritical lot.
Let's get something straight: ecology is not politics anymore than astronomy is. If you think it is, than you're kind of stupid. And if you keep using your ideology to change how you think about ecology, then you deserve all the disrespect you get.
Exactly. Science is not politics. So don't argue about politics in a thread about science. The OP in this thread is a politically motivated attack on environmentalism. Also, apparently you missed the part where I present information about ecology, and then get replies claiming that information is political. I tell you what, dree12, I'll leave you and your buddies to convince all of yourselves that you actually know stuff you don't about the subject, so that you can continue to wallow in your own ideas (bereft of any scientific basis), and then you'll be blissfully happy as each of you pats each other on the back for believing all of your own rhetoric. In case you haven't realized, I've attacked OP on numerous occasions for his ignorance of science. The subject is about "environmentalism". That has nothing to do about politics. You can have whatever political view you wish. This goes to everyone in this thread. But that is irrelevant to a discussion about ecology and the human environment. |
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August 14, 2012, 07:37:43 PM |
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The OP seems to be all about politics, specifically that practiced by environmentalists who want to use violent force (directly or by proxy) to achieve allegedly "scientific", ultimately tyrannical, ends. Why try to decouple politics from its inextricably linked "science" (which, in this case, wouldn't exist if tyranny and the bankroll thereof, didn't). Do environmentalists have that little faith in their "science" that they can't stand it being criticized for what it is? An instrument of control and ideally, the eventual extinction of the human race?
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Saying that you don't trust someone because of their behavior is completely valid.
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August 14, 2012, 07:48:17 PM |
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Is this really necessary?
Apparently it was, since it took that long to get him to respond in the other thread. |
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August 14, 2012, 07:48:56 PM |
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The OP seems to be all about politics, specifically that practiced by environmentalists who want to use violent force (directly or by proxy) to achieve allegedly "scientific", ultimately tyrannical, ends. Why try to decouple politics from its inextricably linked "science" (which, in this case, wouldn't exist if tyranny and the bankroll thereof, didn't). Do environmentalists have that little faith in their "science" that they can't stand it being criticized for what it is? An instrument of control and ideally, the eventual extinction of the human race?
Way before politics was discovered or invented, there was science. Way after politics become obsolete, there will be science. The OP was dumb enough to dispute science to achieve a political end. Environmental science and ecology are sciences. They are not political instruments of control. If for some reason you believe they are, try to reason why these crucial sciences are more politically motivated than physics, for example. There was a period of denial politically of many sciences, and politically many still deny crucial advances in environment and ecology. This won't last. Science > Politics. |
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August 14, 2012, 07:52:18 PM |
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Is this really necessary?
Apparently it was, since it took that long to get him to respond in the other thread. The point wasn't related to the other thread, nor was my response in that thread related to you, obviously. The point was to get you to think about your statements about how to view humanity's role within the realm of nature - something you still haven't demonstrated any real knowledge about. Furthermore, I believe you were named an equal culprit in the argument. |
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August 14, 2012, 07:55:33 PM |
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Is this really necessary?
Apparently it was, since it took that long to get him to respond in the other thread. The point wasn't the related to the other thread, nor was my response in that thread related to you, obviously. The point was to get you to think about your statements about how to view humanity's role within the realm of nature - something you still haven't demonstrated any real knowledge about. Furthermore, I believe you were named an equal culprit in the argument. The other thread is specifically about humanity's role in the environment. You want me to think about that, you go do that in the thread you started specifically to do so. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92952.0 |
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August 14, 2012, 07:58:34 PM |
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The OP seems to be all about politics, specifically that practiced by environmentalists who want to use violent force (directly or by proxy) to achieve allegedly "scientific", ultimately tyrannical, ends. Why try to decouple politics from its inextricably linked "science" (which, in this case, wouldn't exist if tyranny and the bankroll thereof, didn't). Do environmentalists have that little faith in their "science" that they can't stand it being criticized for what it is? An instrument of control and ideally, the eventual extinction of the human race?
The more you understand ecology, ecosystem services, biodiversity and biology (all scientific subjects) the more you'll understand how your views are expressed from the pulpit of ignorance. Let's examine the following statement which is a classic example of stupidity: Do environmentalists have that little faith in their "science" that they can't stand it being criticized for what it is?
If you don't understand the science, then you're not qualified to criticize it. On the other hand, if you can demonstrate knowledge on the subject, then you begin to earn the right to criticize it. So, start demonstrating knowledge. You sound like an uneducated blowhard ranting on and on about stuff you've learned by reading the latest group think branwashing anti-government anti-science propaganda sites. My challenge to you: demonstrate some knowledge on what you criticize. |
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August 14, 2012, 08:01:19 PM |
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The other thread is specifically about humanity's role in the environment.
Not since that dumbfuck posted in the thread right before my recent response. |
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August 14, 2012, 08:05:16 PM |
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The other thread is specifically about humanity's role in the environment.
Not since that dumbfuck posted in the thread right before my recent response. So, you're just going to let one off-topic post derail your thread? |
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August 14, 2012, 08:08:01 PM |
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The OP seems to be all about politics, specifically that practiced by environmentalists who want to use violent force (directly or by proxy) to achieve allegedly "scientific", ultimately tyrannical, ends. Why try to decouple politics from its inextricably linked "science" (which, in this case, wouldn't exist if tyranny and the bankroll thereof, didn't). Do environmentalists have that little faith in their "science" that they can't stand it being criticized for what it is? An instrument of control and ideally, the eventual extinction of the human race?
Way before politics was discovered or invented, there was science. LMFAO. /endthread |
Saying that you don't trust someone because of their behavior is completely valid.
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August 14, 2012, 08:09:00 PM |
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The OP seems to be all about politics, specifically that practiced by environmentalists who want to use violent force (directly or by proxy) to achieve allegedly "scientific", ultimately tyrannical, ends. Why try to decouple politics from its inextricably linked "science" (which, in this case, wouldn't exist if tyranny and the bankroll thereof, didn't). Do environmentalists have that little faith in their "science" that they can't stand it being criticized for what it is? An instrument of control and ideally, the eventual extinction of the human race?
Way before politics was discovered or invented, there was science. LMFAO. /endthread But not the end of quality science despite ignorant blowhards who neither understand it nor appreciate what it has to offer. |
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August 14, 2012, 08:10:48 PM |
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The other thread is specifically about humanity's role in the environment.
Not since that dumbfuck posted in the thread right before my recent response. So, you're just going to let one off-topic post derail your thread? Probably not, but the post in question is symbolic of ignorance, and touches not just lightly on the parallel discussion here. |
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August 14, 2012, 08:11:48 PM |
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The OP seems to be all about politics, specifically that practiced by environmentalists who want to use violent force (directly or by proxy) to achieve allegedly "scientific", ultimately tyrannical, ends. Why try to decouple politics from its inextricably linked "science" (which, in this case, wouldn't exist if tyranny and the bankroll thereof, didn't). Do environmentalists have that little faith in their "science" that they can't stand it being criticized for what it is? An instrument of control and ideally, the eventual extinction of the human race?
Way before politics was discovered or invented, there was science. LMFAO. /endthread . |
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August 14, 2012, 08:12:40 PM |
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The other thread is specifically about humanity's role in the environment.
Not since that dumbfuck posted in the thread right before my recent response. So, you're just going to let one off-topic post derail your thread? Probably not, but the post in question is symbolic of ignorance, and touches not just lightly on the parallel discussion here. How to handle off-topic posts in your thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88296.msg978683#msg978683 |
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August 14, 2012, 08:15:05 PM |
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The other thread is specifically about humanity's role in the environment.
Not since that dumbfuck posted in the thread right before my recent response. So, you're just going to let one off-topic post derail your thread? Probably not, but the post in question is symbolic of ignorance, and touches not just lightly on the parallel discussion here. How to handle off-topic posts in your thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88296.msg978683#msg978683You're right. I should have said something like that. |
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August 14, 2012, 08:15:27 PM |
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The OP seems to be all about politics, specifically that practiced by environmentalists who want to use violent force (directly or by proxy) to achieve allegedly "scientific", ultimately tyrannical, ends. Why try to decouple politics from its inextricably linked "science" (which, in this case, wouldn't exist if tyranny and the bankroll thereof, didn't). Do environmentalists have that little faith in their "science" that they can't stand it being criticized for what it is? An instrument of control and ideally, the eventual extinction of the human race?
Way before politics was discovered or invented, there was science. LMFAO. /endthread . Gotcha! Ever since humans have been organizing themselves into groups, politics has existed. /endthread |
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August 14, 2012, 08:17:55 PM |
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The OP seems to be all about politics, specifically that practiced by environmentalists who want to use violent force (directly or by proxy) to achieve allegedly "scientific", ultimately tyrannical, ends. Why try to decouple politics from its inextricably linked "science" (which, in this case, wouldn't exist if tyranny and the bankroll thereof, didn't). Do environmentalists have that little faith in their "science" that they can't stand it being criticized for what it is? An instrument of control and ideally, the eventual extinction of the human race?
Way before politics was discovered or invented, there was science. LMFAO. /endthread . Gotcha! Ever since humans have been organizing themselves into groups, politics has existed. /endthread Uh, no. Politics refers to the science of running states, true ones which did not appear until 2100 BCE in Sumer (now Iraq). Thousands of years ago, there was still science without states. |
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August 14, 2012, 08:28:54 PM |
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The OP seems to be all about politics, specifically that practiced by environmentalists who want to use violent force (directly or by proxy) to achieve allegedly "scientific", ultimately tyrannical, ends. Why try to decouple politics from its inextricably linked "science" (which, in this case, wouldn't exist if tyranny and the bankroll thereof, didn't). Do environmentalists have that little faith in their "science" that they can't stand it being criticized for what it is? An instrument of control and ideally, the eventual extinction of the human race?
Way before politics was discovered or invented, there was science. LMFAO. /endthread . Gotcha! Ever since humans have been organizing themselves into groups, politics has existed. /endthread Uh, no. Politics refers to the science of running states, true ones which did not appear until 2100 BCE in Sumer (now Iraq). Thousands of years ago, there was still science without states. Thanks for that highly debatable estimate without a source. How very "scientific" of you. Science?: 3500BC, in the Uruk period, according to your link Politics?: The Ubaid period ca. 6500 to 3800 BC at the very least, if not dating all the way back to tribalism/primitive democracy |
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August 14, 2012, 08:32:36 PM |
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The OP seems to be all about politics, specifically that practiced by environmentalists who want to use violent force (directly or by proxy) to achieve allegedly "scientific", ultimately tyrannical, ends. Why try to decouple politics from its inextricably linked "science" (which, in this case, wouldn't exist if tyranny and the bankroll thereof, didn't). Do environmentalists have that little faith in their "science" that they can't stand it being criticized for what it is? An instrument of control and ideally, the eventual extinction of the human race?
Way before politics was discovered or invented, there was science. LMFAO. /endthread . Gotcha! Ever since humans have been organizing themselves into groups, politics has existed. /endthread Uh, no. Politics refers to the science of running states, true ones which did not appear until 2100 BCE in Sumer (now Iraq). Thousands of years ago, there was still science without states. Thanks for that highly debatable estimate without a source. How very "scientific" of you. Science?: 3500BC, in the Uruk period, according to your link Politics?: The Ubaid period ca. 6500 to 3800 BC at the very least, if not dating all the way back to tribalism/primitive democracy That source mentions neither a government nor a state. This source states that Sumer was the first state to gain a government. |
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