Graphic Artist Needed For PICISI Project

[Armis]

Hello dear,

This is still available?If is send me an PM
Please do not forget to mention the price for this work and the time,when you need to be done
If is done,please do not send any PM,thank you and I wish you good luck with your project.

Newton1 has been awarded the contract to do this project.   

Newton1 has been awarded the contract to do this project.   

please place your drafts in this thread so that we could get additional eyes and minds to guide the project.

I would recommend to keep it between the the designer and yourself by PM.

pray tell ?

[MaliceRed]

Because, by forcing your designer to design for his competition, you are creating a hostile work environment. It's why you lost your last employee, and why everyone will cringe at such a display of crude business ethics.

There's nothing wrong with keeping a project open, but having your designer post his drafts in here literally serves no purpose but to put pressure on him.

The people who would provide feedback in this thread, are people that you have passed down. Designers who regularly compete for work. And mostly people who have 0 incentive to care about your project.

Please keep the designing process between yourself and designer. Perhaps after you'd like to show everyone what you decided on, that's perfectly fine. But don't have your designer post his work just so he can have his work flamed.

[Armis]

Because, by forcing your designer to design for his competition, you are creating a hostile work environment. It's why you lost your last employee, and why everyone will cringe at such a display of crude business ethics.

There's nothing wrong with keeping a project open, but having your designer post his drafts in here literally serves no purpose but to put pressure on him.

The people who would provide feedback in this thread, are people that you have passed down. Designers who regularly compete for work. And mostly people who have 0 incentive to care about your project.

Please keep the designing process between yourself and designer. Perhaps after you'd like to show everyone what you decided on, that's perfectly fine. But don't have your designer post his work just so he can have his work flamed.

Oh, what a shame that anyone would look at it like that.  I just left a thread in which the contractor announced that he was doing logos and banners at an attractive rate, in the 4+ page thread clients introduced themselves, told of their needs, he then did his best to produce what they wanted then, upon satisfaction they closed the deal with payment and feedback.  Over and over again he was able to showcase his talents and skills.  

Use of trigger words like: "forcing", "hostile work environment", "employee", "cringe", "crude", "pressure", and "flamed" without knowing the intent of the employer is prejudicial at best but nevertheless I asked for the candor.  

Here's my position, unless the project is confidential the employer should favor the project on display, contractors who are ready, willing, and able to perform as quoted should favor the opportunity to show off their good work.  In fact, I'm often surprised when a contractor bid on work without providing an example of what they can do.  At every opportunity a contractor should always be promoting.  

As for "competition" the only true competition is in getting the job, the competition ends when the job is awarded, as such the contractor should rest assured that they are not 'designing for his competition' when they are doing a project for me.  

I pride myself on doing win-win deals, which basically means I don't mind being on either side of the deal.  When I put out a bid I indicate what I want, I listen to what is out there, when it come to price I rarely negotiate I simply say yes or no, and I almost never have deadlines -- I don't rush excellence, however I do expect regular progress reports.   I expect people to do as they promise re: product, price, and date.  I get disappointed when someone breaks a promise.  

True professionalism and ethics are not about protocols but rather being reasonable with expectations, doing as you promise, and performing with integrity regardless which side of the contract you are on.

thanks

[Goddamnit]

just close this thread if you had and reach your agreement. and no need anything to talk here 

[MaliceRed]

Because, by forcing your designer to design for his competition, you are creating a hostile work environment. It's why you lost your last employee, and why everyone will cringe at such a display of crude business ethics.

There's nothing wrong with keeping a project open, but having your designer post his drafts in here literally serves no purpose but to put pressure on him.

The people who would provide feedback in this thread, are people that you have passed down. Designers who regularly compete for work. And mostly people who have 0 incentive to care about your project.

Please keep the designing process between yourself and designer. Perhaps after you'd like to show everyone what you decided on, that's perfectly fine. But don't have your designer post his work just so he can have his work flamed.

Oh, what a shame that anyone would look at it like that.  I just left a thread in which the contractor announced that he was doing logos and banners at an attractive rate, in the 4+ page thread clients introduced themselves, told of their needs, he then did his best to produce what they wanted then, upon satisfaction they closed the deal with payment and feedback.  Over and over again he was able to showcase his talents and skills.  

Use of trigger words like: "forcing", "hostile work environment", "employee", "cringe", "crude", "pressure", and "flamed" without knowing the intent of the employer is prejudicial at best but nevertheless I asked for the candor.  

Here's my position, unless the project is confidential the employer should favor the project on display, contractors who are ready, willing, and able to perform as quoted should favor the opportunity to show off their good work.  In fact, I'm often surprised when a contractor bid on work without providing an example of what they can do.  At every opportunity a contractor should always be promoting.  

As for "competition" the only true competition is in getting the job, the competition ends when the job is awarded, as such the contractor should rest assured that they are not 'designing for his competition' when they are doing a project for me.  

I pride myself on doing win-win deals, which basically means I don't mind being on either side of the deal.  When I put out a bid I indicate what I want, I listen to what is out there, when it come to price I rarely negotiate I simply say yes or no, and I almost never have deadlines -- I don't rush excellence, however I do expect regular progress reports.   I expect people to do as they promise re: product, price, and date.  I get disappointed when someone breaks a promise.  

True professionalism and ethics are not about protocols but rather being reasonable with expectations, doing as you promise, and performing with integrity regardless which side of the contract you are on.

thanks

I'm terribly sorry. I used these "Trigger words" because that is exactly what happened in your previous thread. Where you had contracted someone to work on your project, and had him post "Progress reports" in your thread. Where his work was bashed by other designers who bid on the same position but did not get it.

If you think anything constructive can come out of that, you are wrong.

And while a good designer tries his best to make a composition based on the various elements that makes 'good' design, biased feedback is not only is useless, but it also makes for a hostile work environment. Your previous contractor, admitted that it was a hostile work environment. Anyone who saw that post, could tell it was a hostile work environment.

And while the way you procure contractors to work on your projects is quite reasonable, the fact that you would make a call like that, not only once, but twice shows that you have a crude sense of morals (For subjugating your employee to that) and poor understanding of what constructive criticism is (openly Accepting biased Criticism).

Let me remind you, you had about 3-4 designers bidding for the position, and shortly after, accusations and flaming broke out. So you want to take the work of the Designer who got the position, and let the people who were competing for that same position (Accusing and flaming in some cases) to give you feedback on the project that you will be marketing?

I understand you're only defending yourself, but can you really not see that this is a bad idea? It's unlikely anyone passes a design job in this forum, unless the working conditions are inhospitable. And that's exactly what happened before.

You don't understand, "Designing for Competition" is a rough and short explanation of what your previous contractor did. Where you based how good his draft was from feedback from his competition. And while plenty of clients seek feedback, who lack the understanding of what makes a good design, the feedback that you were relying on, was feedback from people who were biased.

Do you understand what I'm getting at?

I respect the fact that you look for ethical deals, but however, that has nothing to do with what I'm speaking about.

And I agree, promises are very important, Honesty is very important. But I have a sense that you're implying that your previous contractor "Broke his promise". Yes, he walked away, but again, he walked away because of the hostile working conditions you expected him to deal with. That's not his fault.

And if you're implying that him walking away was wrong, you're basically implying; that all designers are just stepping stones, and that they should just deal with all unfair working conditions, and if they walk away from that, then they're in the wrong.

[Armis]

Because, by forcing your designer to design for his competition, you are creating a hostile work environment. It's why you lost your last employee, and why everyone will cringe at such a display of crude business ethics.

There's nothing wrong with keeping a project open, but having your designer post his drafts in here literally serves no purpose but to put pressure on him.

The people who would provide feedback in this thread, are people that you have passed down. Designers who regularly compete for work. And mostly people who have 0 incentive to care about your project.

Please keep the designing process between yourself and designer. Perhaps after you'd like to show everyone what you decided on, that's perfectly fine. But don't have your designer post his work just so he can have his work flamed.

Oh, what a shame that anyone would look at it like that.  I just left a thread in which the contractor announced that he was doing logos and banners at an attractive rate, in the 4+ page thread clients introduced themselves, told of their needs, he then did his best to produce what they wanted then, upon satisfaction they closed the deal with payment and feedback.  Over and over again he was able to showcase his talents and skills.  

Use of trigger words like: "forcing", "hostile work environment", "employee", "cringe", "crude", "pressure", and "flamed" without knowing the intent of the employer is prejudicial at best but nevertheless I asked for the candor.  

Here's my position, unless the project is confidential the employer should favor the project on display, contractors who are ready, willing, and able to perform as quoted should favor the opportunity to show off their good work.  In fact, I'm often surprised when a contractor bid on work without providing an example of what they can do.  At every opportunity a contractor should always be promoting.  

As for "competition" the only true competition is in getting the job, the competition ends when the job is awarded, as such the contractor should rest assured that they are not 'designing for his competition' when they are doing a project for me.  

I pride myself on doing win-win deals, which basically means I don't mind being on either side of the deal.  When I put out a bid I indicate what I want, I listen to what is out there, when it come to price I rarely negotiate I simply say yes or no, and I almost never have deadlines -- I don't rush excellence, however I do expect regular progress reports.   I expect people to do as they promise re: product, price, and date.  I get disappointed when someone breaks a promise.  

True professionalism and ethics are not about protocols but rather being reasonable with expectations, doing as you promise, and performing with integrity regardless which side of the contract you are on.

thanks

I'm terribly sorry. I used these "Trigger words" because that is exactly what happened in your previous thread. Where you had contracted someone to work on your project, and had him post "Progress reports" in your thread. Where his work was bashed by other designers who bid on the same position but did not get it.

If you think anything constructive can come out of that, you are wrong.

And while a good designer tries his best to make a composition based on the various elements that makes 'good' design, biased feedback is not only is useless, but it also makes for a hostile work environment. Your previous contractor, admitted that it was a hostile work environment. Anyone who saw that post, could tell it was a hostile work environment.

And while the way you procure contractors to work on your projects is quite reasonable, the fact that you would make a call like that, not only once, but twice shows that you have a crude sense of morals (For subjugating your employee to that) and poor understanding of what constructive criticism is (openly Accepting biased Criticism).

Let me remind you, you had about 3-4 designers bidding for the position, and shortly after, accusations and flaming broke out. So you want to take the work of the Designer who got the position, and let the people who were competing for that same position (Accusing and flaming in some cases) to give you feedback on the project that you will be marketing?

I understand you're only defending yourself, but can you really not see that this is a bad idea? It's unlikely anyone passes a design job in this forum, unless the working conditions are inhospitable. And that's exactly what happened before.

You don't understand, "Designing for Competition" is a rough and short explanation of what your previous contractor did. Where you based how good his draft was from feedback from his competition. And while plenty of clients seek feedback, who lack the understanding of what makes a good design, the feedback that you were relying on, was feedback from people who were biased.

Do you understand what I'm getting at?

I respect the fact that you look for ethical deals, but however, that has nothing to do with what I'm speaking about.

And I agree, promises are very important, Honesty is very important. But I have a sense that you're implying that your previous contractor "Broke his promise". Yes, he walked away, but again, he walked away because of the hostile working conditions you expected him to deal with. That's not his fault.

And if you're implying that him walking away was wrong, you're basically implying; that all designers are just stepping stones, and that they should just deal with all unfair working conditions, and if they walk away from that, then they're in the wrong.

MaliceRed I invite you to broaden your perspective. 

You know this assignment is for PICISI (I will pay for it in the currency of the contractor's choice), you are aware that PICISI will be a crowdfunding site that accepts donations in fiat and cryptocurrency.   At the site two sets of contractors will have self-employment opportunities: 1) as Promotion Contractor doing PICISI assignments and paid with PICISI issued tokens; and 2) Campaign Contractors helping Campaign Organizers to create, develop, and/or promote their campaigns. 

I believe I mentioned the fact that I have a long history of working with contractors from all around the world via odesk.com, and other sites like odesk.  However, precisely because of this broader crypto-crowdfunding-contractor connection I'm trying to achieve I would like to have the job done at BCT.  Closed bidding with an unengaged process removes the vital broader connections I seek thereby equating it to an odesk deal at a higher rate.

I wrote the OP as I did, and shared the two paragraphs above as I did so you, and all others who read it, could get the connection -- PICISI will be an amazing long-term income opportunity for professional contractors.

 

[cshelswell]

To be honest I think there should be more people like MaliceRed here keeping this section honest. I offered my services here at the end of 2013. People then were prepared to pay normal living fees for high quality jobs. Now in 2015 the going rate for jobs has got so ridiculous I wouldn't offer to work here. Not only that but the quality of submissions and portfolios I see here, on the whole are really really amateur.

[LitcoinCollector]

MaliceRed I invite you to broaden your perspective. 

You know this assignment is for PICISI (I will pay for it in the currency of the contractor's choice), you are aware that PICISI will be a crowdfunding site that accepts donations in fiat and cryptocurrency.   At the site two sets of contractors will have self-employment opportunities: 1) as Promotion Contractor doing PICISI assignments and paid with PICISI issued tokens; and 2) Campaign Contractors helping Campaign Organizers to create, develop, and/or promote their campaigns. 

I believe I mentioned the fact that I have a long history of working with contractors from all around the world via odesk.com, and other sites like odesk.  However, precisely because of this broader crypto-crowdfunding-contractor connection I'm trying to achieve I would like to have the job done at BCT.  Closed bidding with an unengaged process removes the vital broader connections I seek thereby equating it to an odesk deal at a higher rate.

I wrote the OP as I did, and shared the two paragraphs above as I did so you, and all others who read it, could get the connection -- PICISI will be an amazing long-term income opportunity for professional contractors.

 

You are saying you are all about input, but when there is an opinion on the way the project is handled you urge people to broaden there perspective.
I urge you to do the same and listen to constructive imput.

As I stated before: In my opinion a project is best kept between the contractor and the designer and not in the public forum.
If you want it all in the open then it is better to do a contest.

Best of luck with your project!

[shogdite]

To be honest I think there should be more people like MaliceRed here keeping this section honest. I offered my services here at the end of 2013. People then were prepared to pay normal living fees for high quality jobs. Now in 2015 the going rate for jobs has got so ridiculous I wouldn't offer to work here. Not only that but the quality of submissions and portfolios I see here, on the whole are really really amateur.

It doesn't help that we've got members here who offer design services for just a few satoshis (not mentioning any names )

Going back a year or so people were often awarded more than 1 btc for design work, now it's dwindled to a few members competing for the lowest paid gfx services.

Anyways, back on topic. Hope the designs work out well for the PICISI Project.

[LitcoinCollector]

To be honest I think there should be more people like MaliceRed here keeping this section honest. I offered my services here at the end of 2013. People then were prepared to pay normal living fees for high quality jobs. Now in 2015 the going rate for jobs has got so ridiculous I wouldn't offer to work here. Not only that but the quality of submissions and portfolios I see here, on the whole are really really amateur.

It doesn't help that we've got members here who offer design services for just a few satoshis (not mentioning any names )

Going back a year or so people were often awarded more than 1 btc for design work, now it's dwindled to a few members competing for the lowest paid gfx services.

Anyways, back on topic. Hope the designs work out well for the PICISI Project.

I blame the economy! 
But seriously your right, designers should ask more for there work.

[Armis]

MaliceRed I invite you to broaden your perspective.  

You know this assignment is for PICISI (I will pay for it in the currency of the contractor's choice), you are aware that PICISI will be a crowdfunding site that accepts donations in fiat and cryptocurrency.   At the site two sets of contractors will have self-employment opportunities: 1) as Promotion Contractor doing PICISI assignments and paid with PICISI issued tokens; and 2) Campaign Contractors helping Campaign Organizers to create, develop, and/or promote their campaigns.  

I believe I mentioned the fact that I have a long history of working with contractors from all around the world via odesk.com, and other sites like odesk.  However, precisely because of this broader crypto-crowdfunding-contractor connection I'm trying to achieve I would like to have the job done at BCT.  Closed bidding with an unengaged process removes the vital broader connections I seek thereby equating it to an odesk deal at a higher rate.

I wrote the OP as I did, and shared the two paragraphs above as I did so you, and all others who read it, could get the connection -- PICISI will be an amazing long-term income opportunity for professional contractors.

 

You are saying you are all about input, but when there is an opinion on the way the project is handled you urge people to broaden there perspective.
I urge you to do the same and listen to constructive imput.

As I stated before: In my opinion a project is best kept between the contractor and the designer and not in the public forum.
If you want it all in the open then it is better to do a contest.

Best of luck with your project!

Yes, I appreciate input, beit constructive or destructive, because I know there is a far higher probability that the best results occur with increased participation.  

As for the contest, I've seen it done often for signatures, but never for anything else, if anyone seen one done on a webpage I'd appreciate a link.  

I'll research it.  Thanks.




Recent updates:


PICISI LOGO:



In the spaces allocated for sponsor logos place the following:

1) highest in left column https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/X5WF71_1C_ZiA0ucIR8bE7QXiSzASm6sa2mj3AB1AhA=s250-no
2) highest in right column https://i.imgur.com/H8fekUT.png
3) 2nd highest in left column http://hypercrypto.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/hyper-ad-astra.png
4) 2nd highest in right column https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fartsycoin.com%2Fimages%2FArtsyCoin_temp.jpg&t=550&c=g6pfayvdbDEtig
5) 3rd in left column https://i.imgur.com/KISijPV.png
6)

[Newton1]

Update

Link to the image: https://i.imgur.com/oP7cdiz.png

[Armis]

Yesterday I saw the draft that came after the above update, it is impressive and almost finished.

[Newton1]

Updating the thread

Link: https://i.imgur.com/RCUTLiV.jpg

[Armis]

Ok. So my price will be 0,2 BTC. Since I have lot of work at the moment, it will take me 1 to 7 days to do it.

Sorry for the time it will take me to do it. 

Hope it isn't a problem.

Best,
Newton1

Thanks for your interest in this project, may I see your portfolio? 
"...When you bid please show me your portfolio, ...." 

please verify your payment address:  1Q6DPrSNmuQ3hnZBPjh6f1jiPNpUWshYci

[Newton1]

Ok. So my price will be 0,2 BTC. Since I have lot of work at the moment, it will take me 1 to 7 days to do it.

Sorry for the time it will take me to do it. 

Hope it isn't a problem.

Best,
Newton1

Thanks for your interest in this project, may I see your portfolio? 
"...When you bid please show me your portfolio, ...." 

please verify your payment address:  1Q6DPrSNmuQ3hnZBPjh6f1jiPNpUWshYci

My adress: 1Q6DPrSNmuQ3hnZBPjh6f1jiPNpUWshYci

Yes, confirmed.

[Armis]

Ok. So my price will be 0,2 BTC. Since I have lot of work at the moment, it will take me 1 to 7 days to do it.

Sorry for the time it will take me to do it. 

Hope it isn't a problem.

Best,
Newton1

Thanks for your interest in this project, may I see your portfolio? 
"...When you bid please show me your portfolio, ...." 

please verify your payment address:  1Q6DPrSNmuQ3hnZBPjh6f1jiPNpUWshYci

My adress: 1Q6DPrSNmuQ3hnZBPjh6f1jiPNpUWshYci

Yes, confirmed.

done:    92a7b6a640dc95fa6fa2d4df2171c4e142076bf986667761fba9f571301c7e06


thanks

you might want to add your info here too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=961328.msg10513861#msg10513861

[LitcoinCollector]

I see you changed the logo in the design.

[Armis]

I see you changed the logo in the design.

yes, normally I would want to bid out every job however someone advertised '$1 for a logo, one day only' so I went for it, it didn't workout because there was no design and he didn't have ample experience to draw on.   Even though it was only $1 I'd like to show something for all expenditures so I subsequently did a design and produced what you see there. 
 

[PICISI]

Here are the officials social media for PICISI:
This is the official account on Bitcointalk
e-mail: picisiproject@hotmail.com
Twitter: https://twitter.com/PICISIproject
reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/PICISI/
coinblab: http://coinblab.com/profile/PICISI
google +: https://plus.google.com/102315152462990304798/posts
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Picisi/1580118548922587