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March 14, 2015, 01:24:59 AM
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Can I use an old ASIC Bitcoin miner for other applications? For example, quickly reindexing the blockchain on my computer? Or quickly hashing every file on my hard-drive?

(I really wonder if the hard-drive could even supply the data to the miner fast enough, and the computer's CPU would probably have to be involved, translating the data for the miner, so that would be a bottleneck…)

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March 14, 2015, 01:34:00 AM
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Nope.  ASIC Bitcoin miners do one thing and one thing only: mine Bitcoin.
( and any other coin that uses the exact same mining parameters, algorithm, etc. )

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March 14, 2015, 01:36:14 AM
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If you had another problem that could formulated into the work structure ASICs are expecting (basically spoofing cgminer output to the hardware's driver with data that isn't bitcoin jobs), sure you could.

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March 14, 2015, 01:48:06 AM
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If you had another problem that could formulated into the work structure ASICs are expecting (basically spoofing cgminer output to the hardware's driver with data that isn't bitcoin jobs), sure you could.

Agreed, but so far I haven't seen any such work.
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March 14, 2015, 02:17:21 AM
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Agreed, but so far I haven't seen any such work.
Due to what the ASICs tend to do (accept data and start nonce, hash away with new nonces, return nonce if the hashed data falls below a specific threshold), and presuming SHA256 is everything it claims to be, it's also unlikely you'd ever see any such work.
They're not generic hashing chips, so any sort of 'quickly hashing every file' is not applicable.  They couldn't even do a single SHA256 hashing of a few bytes, as the hash isn't actually returned.
The output of a SHA256 hashing is supposed to be sufficiently unpredictable that any task you think you could accelerate by exploiting what the ASICs do and working back from there is also not going to fly.

This question has pretty much been asked since before ASICs popped up, and a Google search for 'bitcoin asic other uses'* will readily pop up some suggestions, most of which are invalidated or just unlikely to be practical.
As an example, as one blog post postulates:
The ASIC could aid in password cracking if:
* the hashes are generated with sha256(sha256(x))
* salt + password = 80 bytes
* the hash starts with 4 zero-bytes
Which is a situation that has never existed and, moreover, is now practically guaranteed to not exist (unless purposely done so).

I think some generic discussion posts around here come brrrr-weather time may have the only reasonable answer (beside "no") so far: they're pretty good as heaters.

* That search also returns this same question, over at StackExchange, which elaborates on the question a bit:
(Note: My question differs from "Reusability of ASIC miners" because I am only asking about hashing-specific applications, not whether ASICs can do other mathematical operations.)

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March 14, 2015, 02:33:21 AM
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SHA256 is everything it claims to be
Well, technically, SHA(SHA(•)).

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March 14, 2015, 02:39:04 AM
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SHA256 is everything it claims to be
Well, technically, SHA(SHA(•)).
Sure, but if SHA256 is broken (in such a way that you could exploit it), SHA256(SHA256()) should be equally broken, is what I was getting at Smiley

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March 14, 2015, 02:51:22 AM
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The 4 most valid alternative uses for outdated asic miners depend on the size of the device in question, and they are: Boat anchor, door stop, book end and paper weight.

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March 14, 2015, 05:33:38 AM
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An outdated miner if sufficiently quiet and wifi connectable does have an alternative use as a space heater. Generally unless you need baseload heat you don't want to use a miner for heating if it's going to be an intermittent load since it's a waste of the capital cost of the miner to only run it some of the time. I've actually got a few underclocked S1s behind my couch in the front room, which can get a little drafty. They're not worth running anymore from an economic point of view, but I've turned off the heating element in the electric fireplace in that room and now anytime my wife would have turned on the fireplace, she instead turns on the miners to give the room a bit of extra warmth.

Not really a non-bitcoin use, but it's a non-dedicated mining use.
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March 14, 2015, 01:03:15 PM
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How about mining a SHA-256 altcoin?
See here
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March 14, 2015, 04:56:08 PM
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The 4 most valid alternative uses for outdated asic miners depend on the size of the device in question, and they are: Boat anchor, door stop, book end and paper weight.

Pretty much.

Recycle them.

Don't use them as space heaters.

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March 14, 2015, 06:29:36 PM
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Altcoin mining (technically not bitcoin lol)
Alternately the ONLY reusable part of the miners would bet he controller boards (rasPI and Beagleboards) on various models. 

If you got a PSU that would be about the only truly reusable part. Strip connectors for use in other things or fans and heatsinks. 

In reality IF you had some electronics project you were thinking of you could strip the silicon and possibly reuse it. Of course this is some advanced work you would be doing. Involves working some machine code to reprogram various parts of the boards themselves.

But yea if none of the above applies, IMO the controller boards being the most accessible and usable part of a miner, Bick and -ck comment on usage applies.

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March 14, 2015, 06:35:56 PM
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1001 uses for an old ASIC

Home security. If it has a fixed court attached, you may be able to use it like a flail.

Pest control. If it's a mouse or bigger, you strangle it woh the cord, if its smaller you crush it.

Car warmer. Run it under your engine block in the winter.

Hard boiled egg maker.

Christmas tree ornament.

Cloud mining. Show pictures of it as proof of your operation before you take people's money and run.

Etc.
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March 16, 2015, 04:18:09 AM
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The 4 most valid alternative uses for outdated asic miners depend on the size of the device in question, and they are: Boat anchor, door stop, book end and paper weight.



If you live in a warm hot place you are correct .
But if you live in a cold place.
They are good for space heaters and will always be good for replacing this
 





no miner should own the item above  as long as your miner works and earns any bitcoin at all it is a suitable replacement for this electric space heater.

My home needs one for about 90 days a year So I can always fire up any miner that makes about 700-900 watts of heat rather then fire up the space heater.  I can mine it at your solo pool. ck

 Most likely this is what I will be doing with my avalon's next nov to march spot heating my cold room.

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March 17, 2015, 05:55:50 PM
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When my Antminer C1's get old, I plan to use them to heat the swimming pool water.

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March 18, 2015, 01:36:37 PM
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When my Antminer C1's get old, I plan to use them to heat the swimming pool water.

Now this is a very good idea.  If you get this working post a few photos.

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March 18, 2015, 03:01:29 PM
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They make great shooting targets =)

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March 18, 2015, 03:02:25 PM
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Space heaters, door stops, or target practice is about it. Some of the HashFast units can be parted out and sold off like the Corsair fans and PSU.
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March 18, 2015, 06:46:19 PM
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March 18, 2015, 07:01:39 PM
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Umm... mining when the price shoots through the roof and the difficulty plummets after the mining reward halves to zero; but would still be profitable for those who stay plugged in. If BTC goes mainstream and there are millions of transactions a day, you'll see fees per block being $100+. Honestly, I still have a BFL 50 GH/s unit in a box for the future.
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