Max Keiser - "Libertarians are Intellectually Lazy & Idiots"

[niemivh]

How did FDR bailout the bankers?  What specific policy are you talking about?

That's what Max says in the video.  Didn't you even watch it?

(notice the intellectual laziness involved in dodging this question)

Of course, when someone isn't intellectually lazy I'm stunned by it.

[420]

A bigger problem is not laziness but that there are only 24 hours in a day and a declining standard of living.

[cbeast]

I would like to see a real Libertarian plan for a civilization that would actually work. If there is one, why haven't they created it yet?

[myrkul]

I would like to see a real Libertarian plan for a civilization that would actually work. If there is one, why haven't they created it yet?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#History

[cbeast]

I would like to see a real Libertarian plan for a civilization that would actually work. If there is one, why haven't they created it yet?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#History

Ah Vikings! Let's be Vikings! "Behold your fields so green, whisper tales of woe."

[bb113]

I would like to see a real Libertarian plan for a civilization that would actually work. If there is one, why haven't they created it yet?

You are taking part in it. The plan is to just replace governments and their creations piece by piece with superior decentralized alternatives. If these alternatives don't get created or adopted, perhaps there is still a need for government intervention in that realm. The idea that everything should be planned out beforehand is for other people to do.

[molecular]

I would like to see a real Libertarian plan for a civilization that would actually work. If there is one, why haven't they created it yet?

You are taking part in it. The plan is to just replace governments and their creations piece by piece with superior decentralized alternatives. If these alternatives don't get created or adopted, perhaps there is still a need for government intervention in that realm. The idea that everything should be planned out beforehand is for other people to do.

haha, lol. extremely well put!

[420]

I would like to see a real Libertarian plan for a civilization that would actually work. If there is one, why haven't they created it yet?

That's like asking a Baby in the womb what career they will lead in life.

[cbeast]

I would like to see a real Libertarian plan for a civilization that would actually work. If there is one, why haven't they created it yet?

You are taking part in it. The plan is to just replace governments and their creations piece by piece with superior decentralized alternatives. If these alternatives don't get created or adopted, perhaps there is still a need for government intervention in that realm. The idea that everything should be planned out beforehand is for other people to do.

I see the decentralization movement not replacing government, just decentralizing it. Libertarians believe in no government and survival of the strongest. Historically Libertarians practice continuous warfare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#History Other than Vikings living through raiding unsuspecting villages, I don't see a culture of selfishness actually working. Eventually collectivism of some sort will overpower warlords.

I can see Bitcoin promoting privacy where government does not interfere with the individual without cause, such as taxation without representation. In fact, Bitcoin will probably eliminate the need for national borders and limit the ability of large-scale warfare because money is globally interdependent.

[420]

I would like to see a real Libertarian plan for a civilization that would actually work. If there is one, why haven't they created it yet?

You are taking part in it. The plan is to just replace governments and their creations piece by piece with superior decentralized alternatives. If these alternatives don't get created or adopted, perhaps there is still a need for government intervention in that realm. The idea that everything should be planned out beforehand is for other people to do.

I see the decentralization movement not replacing government, just decentralizing it. Libertarians believe in no government and survival of the strongest. Historically Libertarians practice continuous warfare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#History Other than Vikings living through raiding unsuspecting villages, I don't see a culture of selfishness actually working. Eventually collectivism of some sort will overpower warlords.

I can see Bitcoin promoting privacy where government does not interfere with the individual without cause, such as taxation without representation. In fact, Bitcoin will probably eliminate the need for national borders and limit the ability of large-scale warfare because money is globally interdependent.

What is America? look at all our wars.

[cbeast]

I would like to see a real Libertarian plan for a civilization that would actually work. If there is one, why haven't they created it yet?

You are taking part in it. The plan is to just replace governments and their creations piece by piece with superior decentralized alternatives. If these alternatives don't get created or adopted, perhaps there is still a need for government intervention in that realm. The idea that everything should be planned out beforehand is for other people to do.

I see the decentralization movement not replacing government, just decentralizing it. Libertarians believe in no government and survival of the strongest. Historically Libertarians practice continuous warfare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#History Other than Vikings living through raiding unsuspecting villages, I don't see a culture of selfishness actually working. Eventually collectivism of some sort will overpower warlords.

I can see Bitcoin promoting privacy where government does not interfere with the individual without cause, such as taxation without representation. In fact, Bitcoin will probably eliminate the need for national borders and limit the ability of large-scale warfare because money is globally interdependent.

What is America? look at all our wars.

That's easy, America is a Corporatocracy.

[420]

I would like to see a real Libertarian plan for a civilization that would actually work. If there is one, why haven't they created it yet?

You are taking part in it. The plan is to just replace governments and their creations piece by piece with superior decentralized alternatives. If these alternatives don't get created or adopted, perhaps there is still a need for government intervention in that realm. The idea that everything should be planned out beforehand is for other people to do.

I see the decentralization movement not replacing government, just decentralizing it. Libertarians believe in no government and survival of the strongest. Historically Libertarians practice continuous warfare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#History Other than Vikings living through raiding unsuspecting villages, I don't see a culture of selfishness actually working. Eventually collectivism of some sort will overpower warlords.

I can see Bitcoin promoting privacy where government does not interfere with the individual without cause, such as taxation without representation. In fact, Bitcoin will probably eliminate the need for national borders and limit the ability of large-scale warfare because money is globally interdependent.

What is America? look at all our wars.

That's easy, America is a Corporatocracy.

since when

[cbeast]

I would like to see a real Libertarian plan for a civilization that would actually work. If there is one, why haven't they created it yet?

You are taking part in it. The plan is to just replace governments and their creations piece by piece with superior decentralized alternatives. If these alternatives don't get created or adopted, perhaps there is still a need for government intervention in that realm. The idea that everything should be planned out beforehand is for other people to do.

I see the decentralization movement not replacing government, just decentralizing it. Libertarians believe in no government and survival of the strongest. Historically Libertarians practice continuous warfare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#History Other than Vikings living through raiding unsuspecting villages, I don't see a culture of selfishness actually working. Eventually collectivism of some sort will overpower warlords.

I can see Bitcoin promoting privacy where government does not interfere with the individual without cause, such as taxation without representation. In fact, Bitcoin will probably eliminate the need for national borders and limit the ability of large-scale warfare because money is globally interdependent.

What is America? look at all our wars.

That's easy, America is a Corporatocracy.

since when

Since before you were born.

[myrkul]

Libertarians believe in no government and survival of the strongest. Historically Libertarians practice continuous warfare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#History Other than Vikings living through raiding unsuspecting villages, I don't see a culture of selfishness actually working. Eventually collectivism of some sort will overpower warlords.

WTF have you been smoking?

You take one example, of Medieval Iceland, twist it all up wrong, and say "historically Libertarians practice continuous warfare"? Come on, man. Nobody can be that stupid. You have to be trolling. The Vikings were from Norway. 

Tell me how a society based on this practices continuous warfare.

[cbeast]

Libertarians believe in no government and survival of the strongest. Historically Libertarians practice continuous warfare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#History Other than Vikings living through raiding unsuspecting villages, I don't see a culture of selfishness actually working. Eventually collectivism of some sort will overpower warlords.

WTF have you been smoking?

You take one example, of Medieval Iceland, twist it all up wrong, and say "historically Libertarians practice continuous warfare"? Come on, man. Nobody can be that stupid. You have to be trolling. The Vikings were from Norway. 

Tell me how a society based on this practices continuous warfare.

I simply asked for an historical example. The ones I was given were the Vikings that colonized Iceland and Early America that conquered and enslaved indigenous tribes. Neither lasted nor are even theoretically sustainable. I just think that Libertarianism is a pipe dream that does not consider the complexities of global affairs.

[myrkul]

Libertarians believe in no government and survival of the strongest. Historically Libertarians practice continuous warfare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#History Other than Vikings living through raiding unsuspecting villages, I don't see a culture of selfishness actually working. Eventually collectivism of some sort will overpower warlords.

WTF have you been smoking?

You take one example, of Medieval Iceland, twist it all up wrong, and say "historically Libertarians practice continuous warfare"? Come on, man. Nobody can be that stupid. You have to be trolling. The Vikings were from Norway. 

Tell me how a society based on this practices continuous warfare.

I simply asked for an historical example. The ones I was given were the Vikings that colonized Iceland and Early America that conquered and enslaved indigenous tribes. Neither lasted nor are even theoretically sustainable. I just think that Libertarianism is a pipe dream that does not consider the complexities of global affairs.

You're looking at the non-libertarian potions of the offered example societies, and saying, "see, libertarianism promotes these bad things" The problem is, that portions of an AnCap society have been implemented, but never the whole thing before. So any (non-fiction) example I give you is going to have holes. I can give fictional accounts of what an AnCap society might look like, if you'll take those as examples. I can give you theoretical constructions of the entire society, as well.

But to answer the original question, Why hasn't it been done before, the answer is pretty simple. The gangs who claim to be in charge of the land where we might set one up seem to feel that our trying would be a threat to their control. That, in and of itself, is all the evidence I need to be confident that it would work.

[cbeast]

Libertarians believe in no government and survival of the strongest. Historically Libertarians practice continuous warfare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#History Other than Vikings living through raiding unsuspecting villages, I don't see a culture of selfishness actually working. Eventually collectivism of some sort will overpower warlords.

WTF have you been smoking?

You take one example, of Medieval Iceland, twist it all up wrong, and say "historically Libertarians practice continuous warfare"? Come on, man. Nobody can be that stupid. You have to be trolling. The Vikings were from Norway.  

Tell me how a society based on this practices continuous warfare.

I simply asked for an historical example. The ones I was given were the Vikings that colonized Iceland and Early America that conquered and enslaved indigenous tribes. Neither lasted nor are even theoretically sustainable. I just think that Libertarianism is a pipe dream that does not consider the complexities of global affairs.

You're looking at the non-libertarian potions of the offered example societies, and saying, "see, libertarianism promotes these bad things" The problem is, that portions of an AnCap society have been implemented, but never the whole thing before. So any (non-fiction) example I give you is going to have holes. I can give fictional accounts of what an AnCap society might look like, if you'll take those as examples. I can give you theoretical constructions of the entire society, as well.

But to answer the original question, Why hasn't it been done before, the answer is pretty simple. The gangs who claim to be in charge of the land where we might set one up seem to feel that our trying would be a threat to their control. That, in and of itself, is all the evidence I need to be confident that it would work.

This is why I have abandoned all the movements to change society. John Lennon had it right in Revolution. Bitcoin is a technology that can help bring positive changes. It won't happen in my lifetime, but this is a revolution in how to think about money.

[myrkul]

This is why I have abandoned all the movements to change society. John Lennon had it right in Revolution Number 9. Bitcoin is a technology that can help bring positive changes. It won't happen in my lifetime, but this is a revolution in how to think about money.

Just because it's hard doesn't mean it's impossible. Just look at the progress made already in the Free State Project.

If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right.

[cbeast]

This is why I have abandoned all the movements to change society. John Lennon had it right in Revolution. Bitcoin is a technology that can help bring positive changes. It won't happen in my lifetime, but this is a revolution in how to think about money.

Just because it's hard doesn't mean it's impossible. Just look at the progress made already in the Free State Project.

If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right.

First you have to change human nature (whatever you think it is). That will take awhile. Behaviorists are working on that, but it won't happen soon. Ford was talking about nuts and bolts, not social mechanisms. Bitcoin is nuts and bolts that make us think about new paradigms, but it doesn't offer any solutions to social problems.

[myrkul]

This is why I have abandoned all the movements to change society. John Lennon had it right in Revolution. Bitcoin is a technology that can help bring positive changes. It won't happen in my lifetime, but this is a revolution in how to think about money.

Just because it's hard doesn't mean it's impossible. Just look at the progress made already in the Free State Project.

If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right.

First you have to change human nature (whatever you think it is). That will take awhile. Behaviorists are working on that, but it won't happen soon. Ford was talking about nuts and bolts, not social mechanisms. Bitcoin is nuts and bolts that make us think about new paradigms, but it doesn't offer any solutions to social problems.

Libertarianism has no plans to change human nature. We want to change the structure of society to utilize human nature, rather than fight against it.