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March 16, 2015, 12:28:07 PM
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i've added a comment on quicksellers account...THAT is a warning... neg-trust is saying "he will scam"


Since no one here can predict the future, thats exactly the point of Quickseller leaving said rating. In their opinion the account will be used for scams. Quicksellers opinion on these matters has more weight than the opinion of others. Whether that is good or not is a different topic and has been discussed a number of times.
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March 16, 2015, 12:28:10 PM
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i think he abuses the trust system,

False AFAIK.

because quickseller states in his neg-trust that op is impersonating another one

True.

AND will scam

False. Where is that part?

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Quickseller 4: -0 / +16(16) - 2015-03-15 - Not the real ACCTseller

the second part is implicit by selecting the neg-trust instead of comment
(as written in my post, but you failed to quote that part)

copied from the btct-page:

Positive - You trust this person or had a successful trade.
Neutral - Comments. Your rating will not affect this person's trust score.
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.

well, if you convince me i'll remove that comment.

but Quickseller is not in my trust list (i removed him a while ago) because i really thinks he is way to fast with a scam accusation - so they are just useless to me. that's just the first time i thought it might be necessary to point it out because IMHO it has gone to far.

(btw i dont think Quickseller will scam. i just dont share his opinion about this matter; hence comment as trust abuser)

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March 16, 2015, 12:42:29 PM
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the second part is implicit by selecting the neg-trust instead of comment
(as written in my post, but you failed to quote that part)

I still doesn't understand. I think my English is so poor.

copied from the btct-page:

Positive - You trust this person or had a successful trade.
Neutral - Comments. Your rating will not affect this person's trust score.
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.

According to the guidelines, it is okay.

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On feedback pages, you can leave trade feedback. There are no rules for this, but here are some guidelines:
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- "Risked BTC" is how much money you could have lost if the person you're rating had turned out to be a scammer. Or, if they are a scammer, it's how much you lost. Use the BTC value at the time of reporting.
- It's OK to post a rating about the person in general, not tied to a specific trade.

well, if you convince me i'll remove that comment.

I am unable to convince you. It's better for you to check the negative feesback left by Quickseller.

but Quickseller is not in my trust list (i removed him a while ago) because i really thinks he is way to fast with a scam accusation

Only if it is confirmed.

- so they are just useless to me.

Hope you won't be scammed by anyone.

that's just the first time i thought it might be necessary to point it out because IMHO it has gone to far.

Too far? Huh

(btw i dont think Quickseller will scam. i just dont share his opinion about this matter; hence comment as trust abuser)

His feedback is "Not the reall ACCTseller". What's wrong in it? He maybe able to scam others with that name.

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March 16, 2015, 12:56:19 PM
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His feedback is "Not the reall ACCTseller". What's wrong in it? He maybe able to scam others with that name.

well i blame my english too... it sucks ;(

the text of the feedback is fine.
IMHO it should have been a comment and not a negative trust (please go to the form where you can trust rate someone and look at the descriptive text there).

Quickseller said: its a warning that will not affect his abilities to trade.

When a trusted member says that he strongly believes anyone will scam it is more than a warning.

well... i got scammed for 99% of my bitcoins before quickseller was here.. and i have learnt from it. one thing i learnt is always use escrow - regardless of trust.

if i see two people here offering the same for an semi-identical price i'll take the one with better trust (should be obvious) - which does affect the ability to trade of the person with the neg-trust.

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March 16, 2015, 01:12:23 PM
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This account was marked negative from Tomatocage for no reason. He was solely judging by my name, and he had no proof that I am a scammer.

I only registered with this name because I couldn't find another suitable name. The names I wanted was all taken.

Admins, please help.

because with your name its like impersonating some trusted seller and maybe you did that  to scam others.. you only have 6 activity, if you are serious on selling items or goods, you can create much more unique name and start building trust on your own..

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March 16, 2015, 01:17:01 PM
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The trust system is very "abstract", this phrase "Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer." is true until a cert point. If you don't trust one, you should not give him a negative trust and in these days I have seen a lot of imposter/fake accounts but "that's not the case of the OP" (my personal opinion). If you don't trust someone, remove him for your trust list.

However the negative trust should not stop you to trade here.
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March 16, 2015, 04:50:20 PM
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but Quickseller is not in my trust list (i removed him a while ago) because i really thinks he is way to fast with a scam accusation - so they are just useless to me. that's just the first time i thought it might be necessary to point it out because IMHO it has gone to far.

(btw i dont think Quickseller will scam. i just dont share his opinion about this matter; hence comment as trust abuser)
I'm sorry, but who are you? Your account is two weeks old so it is not possible to have removed me from your trust list "a while ago"

The reason I ask is because I know of very few people who have removed me from their trust list, one (or more) of them is (are) someone that has carried out a lot of long term scams, stealing huge amounts of money, although as of more recently the amount of time it took to change from 'honest' to 'scam' has declined, each con has resulted in similarly large amounts of money being stolen.

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March 16, 2015, 05:02:05 PM
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but Quickseller is not in my trust list (i removed him a while ago)
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I'm sorry, but who are you? Your account is two weeks old so it is not possible to have removed me from your trust list "a while ago"

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March 16, 2015, 05:10:03 PM
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but Quickseller is not in my trust list (i removed him a while ago)
 =snip=
I'm sorry, but who are you? Your account is two weeks old so it is not possible to have removed me from your trust list "a while ago"

Alt of onemorebtc*.

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Yup they are probably the same person considering they both have the exact same signature and the exact same btc address in their profile. I wonder if onemorebtc was banned as onemorexmr was created ~8 hours after onemorebtc posted last, even though onemorebtc was last online only today.

edit: his UID is not on the modlog, however that does not mean for sure that he was not banned

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March 16, 2015, 05:29:29 PM
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but Quickseller is not in my trust list (i removed him a while ago)
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I'm sorry, but who are you? Your account is two weeks old so it is not possible to have removed me from your trust list "a while ago"

Alt of onemorebtc*.

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Yup they are probably the same person considering they both have the exact same signature and the exact same btc address in their profile. I wonder if onemorebtc was banned as onemorexmr was created ~8 hours after onemorebtc posted last, even though onemorebtc was last online only today.

edit: his UID is not on the modlog, however that does not mean for sure that he was not banned

flower1024 (sold) -> onemorebtc -> onemorexmr

well... that you know think i will scam is a joke.. i leave this thread now. you may ofc. neg-rate me if you want.

(hint i dont use multiple accounts in parallel)

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March 16, 2015, 05:31:20 PM
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You should remove the negative trust, the account name is not the same.


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March 17, 2015, 02:55:03 AM
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You should remove the negative trust, the account name is not the same.

there is no way that 2 account will have exactly the same name Tongue

the negative trust is because of impersonation and/or attemp to scam

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March 17, 2015, 03:38:24 AM
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You should remove the negative trust, the account name is not the same.

there is no way that 2 account will have exactly the same name Tongue

the negative trust is because of impersonation and/or attemp to scam

Yes, but as stated above, OP is a real seller and not an impersonator. Quickseller should remove the feedback. If OP does try to scam, Quickseller can easily put the feedback back.
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March 17, 2015, 03:45:29 AM
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Yes, but as stated above, OP is a real seller and not an impersonator.

We can't say for sure.

Quickseller should remove the feedback. If OP does try to scam, Quickseller can easily put the feedback back.

It will be too late. It is for preventing scam not for scamming.

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March 17, 2015, 07:23:25 AM
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You should remove the negative trust, the account name is not the same.

there is no way that 2 account will have exactly the same name Tongue

the negative trust is because of impersonation and/or attemp to scam

Yes, but as stated above, OP is a real seller and not an impersonator. Quickseller should remove the feedback. If OP does try to scam, Quickseller can easily put the feedback back.

if he is a real seller it wouldnt be a problem for him to create new account with unique name to avoid having issues like this.. also the negative feedback is just "Not the real ACCTseller" so Quickseller is not accusing him scammer but only giving warning to people who will possibly will have a deal with him to take caution for it may do scam attemp

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March 17, 2015, 10:04:11 AM
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You should remove the negative trust, the account name is not the same.

there is no way that 2 account will have exactly the same name Tongue

the negative trust is because of impersonation and/or attemp to scam

Yes, but as stated above, OP is a real seller and not an impersonator. Quickseller should remove the feedback. If OP does try to scam, Quickseller can easily put the feedback back.

if he is a real seller it wouldnt be a problem for him to create new account with unique name to avoid having issues like this.. also the negative feedback is just "Not the real ACCTseller" so Quickseller is not accusing him scammer but only giving warning to people who will possibly will have a deal with him to take caution for it may do scam attemp

I think it is not so good see a red warning under your username/avatar, because a lot of users will see this phrase : Warning: Trade with extreme caution! and think that user is a scammer. They should learn to click on the trust , read the feedback and especially the reference (because a negative trust without a reference link is not "acceptable"). In this case as you said he (the OP) can create a new forum account, at the end it's not a real problem.
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March 17, 2015, 06:52:59 PM
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You should remove the negative trust, the account name is not the same.

there is no way that 2 account will have exactly the same name Tongue

the negative trust is because of impersonation and/or attemp to scam

Yes, but as stated above, OP is a real seller and not an impersonator. Quickseller should remove the feedback. If OP does try to scam, Quickseller can easily put the feedback back.

if he is a real seller it wouldnt be a problem for him to create new account with unique name to avoid having issues like this.. also the negative feedback is just "Not the real ACCTseller" so Quickseller is not accusing him scammer but only giving warning to people who will possibly will have a deal with him to take caution for it may do scam attemp

I think it is not so good see a red warning under your username/avatar, because a lot of users will see this phrase : Warning: Trade with extreme caution! and think that user is a scammer. They should learn to click on the trust , read the feedback and especially the reference (because a negative trust without a reference link is not "acceptable"). In this case as you said he (the OP) can create a new forum account, at the end it's not a real problem.

Maybe the phrase should be changed to something along the lines of this:

Warning: Trade with extreme caution!
Note that the trust system is not moderated.
Some feedback might be unjustified.
Make sure to check the reason and the reference as to why why the negative trust was given.
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March 18, 2015, 04:40:54 AM
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Maybe the phrase should be changed to something along the lines of this:

Warning: Trade with extreme caution!
Note that the trust system is not moderated.
Some feedback might be unjustified.
Make sure to check the reason and the reference as to why why the negative trust was given.


That is so lengthy. It could clutter up the posts. It will fit best in 'Trust Summary' if it is going to be added.

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March 18, 2015, 06:43:40 AM
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Maybe the phrase should be changed to something along the lines of this:

Warning: Trade with extreme caution!
Note that the trust system is not moderated.
Some feedback might be unjustified.
Make sure to check the reason and the reference as to why why the negative trust was given.


That is so lengthy. It could clutter up the posts. It will fit best in 'Trust Summary' if it is going to be added.

I agree with you. Maybe adding a link to a sticky in the "Warning: Trade with extreme caution" would help?

Or, maybe there should be a new type of warning for purposes like this.
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March 18, 2015, 10:18:32 AM
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Maybe the phrase should be changed to something along the lines of this:

Warning: Trade with extreme caution!
Note that the trust system is not moderated.
Some feedback might be unjustified.
Make sure to check the reason and the reference as to why why the negative trust was given.


That is so lengthy. It could clutter up the posts. It will fit best in 'Trust Summary' if it is going to be added.

I agree with you. Maybe adding a link to a sticky in the "Warning: Trade with extreme caution" would help?

Or, maybe there should be a new type of warning for purposes like this.

All the users should "build" their trust list, in that case they will start to "understand" how the trust system works. Everyone can receive a negative trust, but if there is not an evidence the trust is only be considered a "warning".
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